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There's a difference between Hakeem Olajuwon having two rings and Adam Morrison having two rings and you can't seriously be dumb enough to argue that. Unless you are?

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Don't look now, but I think you just proved his point. Hakeem would be HOF even if he never won a ring. Morrison will not be HOF even if he wins 6 rings. It has nothing to do with the rings.

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You might have followed him closely for those SA years

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I would say I followed his whole career pretty closely, but I watched every single game when he was a Spur.

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but people a lot smarter than you or me when it comes to basketball made him a serious contributor and key component on multiple championship teams.

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I may not be the smartest person in the world, but I am shrewd enough to know that these decisions are not always made on the basis of merit. Having Rodman enshrined is going to make a lot of money for the basketball HOF just for the media circus that will surround the enshrinement. Nobody was going to show up to see Chris Mullin get enshrined.

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^Wrong. Rings are not irrelevant if you actually take time to consider the role the player had on the team. I'm a huge Robert Horry fan. But. He only started on two of those championship teams (Houston) and never played more than 30 minutes a game for any of his other championship teams. He was relegated to the bench after his sixth season (what should have been his prime years). He hit big shots, of course, but he was never the contributor that Rodman was.

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Oh I see what you're saying, it's professor plum in the library with the candlestick. So where did this magic "30 minute" mark come from? You? Bottom line is that in a TEAM sport using championships as a gage for a players value is a ridiculous comparision. You do get the concept of a TEAM sport right? As great as Michael Jordan was how many rings did he win without Pippen? And AS great as Shaq is how many rings did he win without Kobe or Wade? And Kobe...how many did he win without a team around him? It's a TEAM game...

...Not a Contributor like Rodman? Really? So I guess they called him "Big Shot Bob" for nothing right? Oh that's right, he didn't average the proverbial "30 minutes per game" so he's inconsequential.

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There's a difference between Hakeem Olajuwon having two rings and Adam Morrison having two rings and you can't seriously be dumb enough to argue that. Unless you are?

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Don't look now, but I think you just proved his point. Hakeem would be HOF even if he never won a ring. Morrison will not be HOF even if he wins 6 rings. It has nothing to do with the rings.

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Exactly...I knew he'd come around

Why is it that some of you children can't have a discussion without resorting to name calling. YOu're like a kid in a toy store that can't communicate and just throws a fit. Internet tough guy isn't a good look on you bud, and I'm not intimidated either...sorry Charlie.

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Actually it is irrelevant. If it wasn't, then Robert Horry would've been a first Ballot HOF'er w/ 6 rings. Get over the ring argument. Rodman rode the coattails of Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars, then on Pippen and some guy named Jordan.

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Horry has only been retired for three years. He won't become eligible for the HOF for another two. So that statement doesn't really make sense. Horry will be in the HOF. It's a question of when, not if.

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Horry has only been retired for three years. He won't become eligible for the HOF for another two. So that statement doesn't really make sense. Horry will be in the HOF. It's a question of when, not if.

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Pretty sure you missed the point of that statement...nice try though

I saw your statement. I understand you think that rings don't matter, but they do. In fact, I'd be willing to bet Horry will be a first ballot hall of famer BECAUSE of his 7 championships. And quit with the 'nice try' stuff. It's a quick exit out of a topic you proved you know nothing about.

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I may not be the smartest person in the world, but I am shrewd enough to know that these decisions are not always made on the basis of merit. Having Rodman enshrined is going to make a lot of money for the basketball HOF just for the media circus that will surround the enshrinement. Nobody was going to show up to see Chris Mullin get enshrined.

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Probably some truth to that, but you're seriously marginalizing Rodman's merit if you think that's the entire reason.

Put me on the list of people who say if Rodman is in, Horry HAS TO BE in. You can point to specific instants in Horry's career where, if he had not been on the floor, there is no question his team would have not moved to the next round.

I can't think of a single instance such as that for Rodman (probably because he was rarely on the floor at the end of games because he was such a liability at the FT line).

Hell I could name 10 such instances for Horry in one minute, just off the top of my head.

I wouldn't think Horry's career would necessarily merit HOF status either, but NOW it does. Letting Rodman in pretty much solidified that for me.

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I can't think of a single instance such as that for Rodman (probably because he was rarely on the floor at the end of games because he was such a liability at the FT line).

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A clutch 3 pointer is much easier to remember than a clutch rebound or defensive stop.

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Factors that matter in HOF consideration:

- participation on the offensive end of the court
- positive contributions to team chemistry
- making big shots


Factors that DO NOT matter in HOF consideration:

- championship rings
- All-Star appearances
- DPOY awards
- significant minutes per game (IE, a tangible tool to measure a player's value to a team)


...gotcha.

Way to boil it all down to something nobody is saying.

Your sarcasm annoys even me, the self-proclaimed king of sarcasm.

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I saw your statement. I understand you think that rings don't matter, but they do. In fact, I'd be willing to bet Horry will be a first ballot hall of famer BECAUSE of his 7 championships. And quit with the 'nice try' stuff. It's a quick exit out of a topic you proved you know nothing about.

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I proved I know nothing about? Why? because I have a different opinion than you? Is that you Marc Stein? If you want to give HOF status based on rings then go ahead, that's your right...just make sure and include players like Luc Walton, Adam Morrison, Bill Cartwright, Kurt Rambis, Derek Fischer, and every other guy that has multiple rings...just because rings do matter.

You are making it sound like we are saying rings is the only determining factor. As was already touched on, Horry won 7 rings, and three of those championships probably wouldn't have come to fruition if it wasn't for him alone. You can't say the same for Morrison and Walton. Which proves my point about you bringing nothing to this topic. Anyone could tell the difference between their impact on the game compared to Bob's.

It also doesn't help your cause that you didn't know that Horry wasn't eligible for the HOF which totally kills your first arguement.

But I do agree, given the people in the HOF, Cartwright, Fisher, and Rambis need to be considered.

Definitely Derek Fisher. Now that Rodman is in, they need to take a long hard look at Fisher when he's eligible.

Also Bruce Bowen.

Tony Parker is also now a lock, as is Mike Finley.

And I'm not kidding about any of this.

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Did Dennis Rodman **** your mom or something?

this thread should have ended with this post:

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Here is the class, besides Rodman: Chris Mullen, Tara VanDerveer, coaches Tex Winter, and Philadelphia University's Herb Magee; longtime NBA and ABA star Artis Gilmore; former Portland Trail Blazers center Arvydas Sabonis; Olympic gold medalist Teresa Edwards; Harlem Globetrotter Reece "Goose" Tatum; and Boston Celtic Tom "Satch" Sanders

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Did Dennis Rodman **** your mom or something?

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No, Dennis Rodman ****ed my team. Nobody can ever convince me that the Spurs wouldn't have won an NBA title in 1995 if it weren't for that freakin' cancer quitting on his team at the worst possible moment.

And you can't tell me he was that great of a defender when he basically blamed David Robinson for the Spurs inability to slow down Hakeem. Checking guys like Hakeem was exactly what the Spurs brought Rodman in to do, and he never came close to pulling it off and then blamed everyone else when things went south.

That guy was a team cancer and those Bulls teams won IN SPITE of Rodman. He was a solid contributor to the Pistons "Bad Boys" teams but as far as I'm concerned he was useless after that.