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LeBron was barely averaging 20 PPG

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That's exactly the kind of stupidity I am talking about. James is a great scorer, but he is not the best scorer in the world. He is, however, the best player in the world.

I'm going to leave the board now. Lots of people who work in the NBA have called James the best player on the planet. If any of you people can find anyone who works in the NBA who calls Wade the best player in basketball, let me know.

Until then, I'm afraid I'm going to have to dismiss all of you as not knowing what you are talking about.

What is lebron's fg percentage in the 4th quarter of the finals.20%? Less?

Assists are about as an overrated stat in basketball as saves are in baseball. At the end of the day, the most important stat is points scored. I don't care if Lebron had 15 assists, he played like crap. Lebron is not the best player on the planet. He may have the most talent, but if given a choice, give me Wade any day. The best players bring it when it matters most. He is closer to Dr. J than Michael Jordan.

ESPN article has Lebron stats in the 4th - he's a 25% shooter and I don't recall many ree throws either:

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James In 4th Qtr, This Series
Game Points FG
Game 1 5 2-4
Game 2 2 0-4
Game 3 2 1-3
Game 4 0 0-1

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whistling, you do realize that the bulls were up 3 to 0 in those finals. i think mj was due for a bad game at 23 points lol.

Whistling for flies is the most idiotic retard on this board right now....

le***** doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the top anything right now other than top *****

The whole game I was thinking to myself that Lebron looks scared. Scared of doing something to fck it up. I would love for him to make his copout defense argument again after this game when both Marion and Jet CONSISTENTLY got by him to the bucket

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Wade has him by .8 ppg, and Lebron is up in every other category.

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

I would probably be considered a "LeBron apologist" and even I think this is dumb:

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You apparently don't know crap about basketball. 24/3/2 is not "easily" better than 8/8/7. Only dumbasses who don't appreciate the importance of boards and assists would say something like that.

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Through four games of the NBA Finals, the biggest stage of any basketball player's career, Queen James has a TOTAL of 9 points. LOL.

WFF is blinded by his love for bron bron. He needs to open his eyes and actually watch the game.

Dr. Cub -
I don't like him anymore than you, but the stat you are referencing is not correct.

He only has 9 points in the 4th quarter through 4 games, not 9 points total.

That said, only 9 points in the 4th quarter is still crazy...

I knew that. I just forgot that part of the post. I was LOL'ing so hard when I heard that stat that I effed up.

claym - sort that list by +/-...holy crap.

Not to derail the thread, but Kidd/Terry/Nowitzki/Chandler are all tops on that list for +/-

I don't love LeBron, but I do love watching players who can fill up the stat line, and are not only scorers.

I'm not surprised that most posters on Texags more or less ignore all stats but points scored when it comes time to assess the ability of a basketball player. People who work professionally in basketball know better.

(And, for the records, Jordan's PER for his 24/3/2 game would probably be better than Lebron's 8/8/7 game, but it would be close. Jordan took a lot of shots.)

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http://deadspin.com/5809859/is-this-shawn-marion-calling-lebron-james-a-*****

Lebron is getting punked by Shawn Marion. Marion's stat line is about par with Lebron James. Not just points, but all the other measureables.

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I'm not surprised that most posters on Texags more or less ignore all stats but points scored when it comes time to assess the ability of a basketball player. People who work professionally in basketball know better.

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You're being dense. The problem is that Lebron has not impacted the 4th quarters of the games in the finals -- the biggest stage in the playoffs. He has deferred too much and has been very inefficient in scoring. He hasn't been driving to the hoop and creating easy shots for his players. He more or less has been run off the pick and role and has passed off to other players to create something. Defensively, he has not had that big of an impact in the 4th quarter. He has not forced many turnovers and his man has been able to score in crunch time.

If you would just watch the game with a discerning view, you would see that Lebron is not impacting the game the way the best player in the world SHOULD in the finals.

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If you would just watch the game with a discerning view, you would see that Lebron is not impacting the game the way the best player in the world SHOULD in the finals.

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I never said otherwise. Of the 4 games played, he has had 1 truly bad game, 1 bad game, 1 subpar game, and 1 good game. There is no question about that.

Jordan has NEVER scored less than 22 points in a finals game.

Jordan>>>>Lebron

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Something else I've never contradicted. (though Scottie Pippen did raise questions about it).

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at this point, there is no way you can make this argument...thread over

Rick Reilly gets it...

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I'm the last guy that wants to write a glowing column about LeBron James. I hate how he conspired to get to Miami, hate how he took a short cut to a ring. But you'd have to be visually impaired not to see that James is playing gorgeous, selfless, complete basketball.

He is defending first, passing next, screening third and shooting fourth. The man had nine assists in Game 3! If anything is shrinking, it's whichever poor Dallas Maverick he's guarding. Have you seen the line on the Mavs' No. 2 scoring option, Jason Terry, in the Finals? Thirty-eight percent shooting, four 3-pointers, total, and no buckets in five tries in the final quarter versus TCO (The Chosen One). James has been on him like scales on a flounder. Terry has to leave the building just to get a full breath.

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Even Dwyane Wade admits that it's James' team in crunch time.

"He makes the decisions for our team," Wade explained last week. "Whether he wants to shoot or whether he wants to pass. … He's a great player. He's 6-8, he can see over the defense and he's a great passer. … Normally I was the guy here in Miami. At the end of games I always had the ball in my hand. So it took me time to get comfortable with that and get comfortable with saying, 'All right, LeBron, you take it.' … Yesterday, Coach called a play in the huddle for LeBron. He wound up saying, 'No, I want D-Wade to have it right here.'"

By the way, Wade wound up lobbing to The King for a flush on that play.

Besides, statistically, James is a better clutch player than Wade anyway. According to Chasing23.com, James has made "nearly twice as many crunch time baskets [and] shot nearly 10 percent higher in FG" in crunch time in playoff games.

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People who only care about "points scored" in a box score are the same kind of people who think the waiter made the soufflé.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6634464

thank you for proving their points WFF.

Rick Rielly is a worthless idiot and has horrible articles. is about as biased as they come.

please commence agreeing with Jason Whitlock over racially balanced subjects, Jay Mariotti on Chicago White Sox opinions, Jim Rome on Jim Everett, and Stuart Scott on having two eyes.

LOL @ Simplebay

I'll take Wade over TheBron every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Wade is a winner. Wade may have choked away a free throw and an inbounds pass, but the guy wanted the ball. Lebron was Leghost playing hot potato with the ball. He was either scared or confused.

If I had to build a team, I would start with Wade and build from there.

A-Rod has great stats in baseball, but the guy isn't a winner. Jeter is a winner. There's a big difference. Same deal with Leghost and Wade.

Lebron 2011 playoffs = 24/8.5/5.6/27.05 eff
Wade 2011 playoffs = 25/7.4/4.1/25.37 eff

This is the worst playoffs of Lebron's career, and he still has better numbers than Wade. I am nearly certain that Lebron has the highest eff ratings of anybody in the 2011 playoffs, and he might have the highest career eff playoffs ratings of anyone since Oscar Robinson.

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Lebron 2011 playoffs = 24/8.5/5.6/27.05 eff
Wade 2011 playoffs = 25/7.4/4.1/25.37 eff

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Those PER/eff numbers seem off.

They are from NBA.com. Check yourself.