clay and gunan look pretty stupid here. It's right there on the website.

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It's interesting that NONE of you brought up the missed block/charge on the Lebron/Chandler play. There was 2:27 left in the game, Dallas was up 102-100 at the time. If that play is correctly called as a block on Chandler, and Lebron makes the and 1, then Miami is up 103-102 and the Marion/Lebron missed foul may never happen. Who knows, maybe the momentum shifts for the rest of the game and Barea/Kidd/Terry don't hit their 3s. You never know. That missed call may have gifted the series to Dallas....

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When you read stuff like this it's really easy to tell the basketball fans from butthurt Dallas haters.

Gunan, you need to learn the rules. Or quit posting about them. Your authoritarian tone doesn't match up with your ignornance.

An offensive player can commit an offensive foul anywhere on the court.

Lebron was called for charge correctly. LBJ caught the ball down low, so the protected circle was out of picture.

It doesn't matter if Wade hit the side of Cardinal. It doesn't matter if he crashed into him sternum to sternum. Cardinal was set and Wade plowed into him and was out of control.

And to get back to the OP before butthurt 1 and butthurt 2 tried to derail, I feel like the officiating has been very fair in this series. When the refs miss, they miss for both teams. The consistency in what's being called has been much better than I've seen in the last several years.

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Refs have been OK. Dallas is getting the better end of it in the finals BY FAR.


Miami has been called for 20 more fouls than Dallas.

Dallas has shot 22 more free throws than Miami.

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The refereeing has been even. Dallas is making a concerted effort not to foul, while Miami has been more physical and aggressive. They get a lot of deserved loose ball fouls by jumping over people's backs and what not.

God bless mavs fans, without yall, there is no way we would hear so much praise of the refs when the mavs win and so much butthurt toward the refs when the mavs lose.

Thank you for making life entertaining and giving me a city to root against

speaking of butthurt.........

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Dallas is making a concerted effort not to foul, while Miami has been more physical and aggressive.

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Exactly. Without Haywood, Chandler has basically been conceding buckets on Wade's drives early in games 4 & 5 in order to stay out of foul trouble.

I don't know why anybody would be complaining about the officiating in this series at this point. They've called it the way it should be called, no touch fouls and call the obvious stuff. Of course there will be missed calls, it happens when things are moving 95 mph all night long and the refs are letting them play.

It's been a well called series, and it's been very entertaining basketball.

One reason that Miami hasn't gotten as many calls is that Dallas has been playing a lot of zone, denying Miami the opportunity to attack the basket and get those calls down low.

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And the Mav should be shooting more, Miami hacks an pushes off more than any team I've seen.

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They also attack the basket more than Dallas does. Their whole offense revolves around tow guys driving. That usually translates into lots of FTs.

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They should attack the basket more, but aside from Wade, they don't appear to be driving to the lane and breaking down the defense.

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You can't deny that the Heat are getting roughly 4-6 more points per game than the Mavs due to the officiating.

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Yes I can, and will do so now. The Mavs, in fact, are getting 4.4 more attempts at free points, than are the Heat. The Mavs are getting the benefit on calls, overall. 20 more fouls on the Heat, and 22 more FTs for the Mavs.

What makes the discrepancy more glaring is this: The Heat are a quicker, more aggressive team on both offense and defense. During the regular season they had 3rd most FT attempts and 1st in the playoffs. The Mavs have committed more fouls in the playoffs and shot less free throws, so the reversal of the trend in this series obviously indicates that the Mavs are getting the better end of the calls.

Here are the totals:

Playoff fouls committed
Heat: 390 Mavs: 398
- Includes the 20 foul advantage the Mavs have in the finals

Playoff FTA
Heat: 551 Mavs: 515
- Includes the 22 FT advantage the Mavs have in the finals.

Season fouls
Heat: 1674 Mavs: 1575

Season FTA
Heat: 2288 Mavs: 1850


A foul could be called every single trip down the court if the game were played strictly by the rules. The Heat were 3rd regular season in FTAs and 1st in the playoffs, yet the mavs have a +22 advantage currently. Dallas has committed more fouls in the playoffs than the Heat, yet Dallas has a +20 advantage in fouls.

I expected the foul rate to be pretty even but for the Heat to lead in FTAs. The Heat have not been getting the calls at the bucket, and have been whistled for a lot of non-calls on loose balls and rebounds.

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It's not debatable.

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Yes it is, as already evidenced.

When you become an impartial viewer of the games, not really caring too much who wins, you'll be amazed at how much better the officiating gets.

Iowa is just a shill Mavs fan.

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the reversal of the trend in this series obviously indicates that the Mavs are getting the better end of the calls.

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Wrong. Closing your eyes and pointing to statistics that don't apply to this series doesn't change the fact that there have been more missed calls in favor of Miami.

Like I said before, the Mavs are making a concerted effort not to foul. You can tell they are backing off when challenged and trying to stay vertical and not hand-checking.

your assumptions are based on what happened in the regular season, and therefore what you expect to happen. A prospective look, if you will.

I'm not talking about what should happen based on past performance ,I'm talking about what actually has happened. After reviewing the first 4 games, an unbiased source has concluded that due to officiating errors, the Heat are being rewarded around 4 points per game.

Just because you think the Heat should be taking more FT's doesn't mean they should.

Pretty funny that in a thread praising the officiating it's a Heat backer - not Mavs fans - crying about the refs, even though an unbiased authority has shown pretty conclusively that Miami is getting the benefit of the doubt anyway.

I am not a Heat fan by any means. Read the thread; Mavs fans are claiming that they are getting the short end of the stick on calls, when they have the advantage across the board.

Refcalls is not an authority by any stretch of the imagination, and has already been stated, a foul could be called on every trip. If you want to discuss the severity of fouls and how they are called, and missed violations, then OK. But, don't pretend like the Mavs are getting a raw deal, they aren't. If you want to look to Refcalls, lets look: 46 calls that benefit the Heat, 37 that benefit the Mavs.

I know of 3 plays, off the top of my head, from game 5, where fouls were or weren't called in Miamis favor. We will see if these 3 plays make the list on refcalls.

Uh most people are saying the refereeing has been even. You'r one of the few that thinks its slanted.

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even though an unbiased authority

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You look pretty stupid calling refcalls.com an "unbiased authority".

I am by no means a Heat fan. I am a Rockets fan and hate the Heat about as much as I hate Dallas. But it's stuff like this that irritates me more than anything. Other than Game 3 (which was called in Dallas's favor even though the Heat won) I think the series has been called pretty fairly.

I think every Mavs fan will admit that - in comparison to 2006 or most NBA games for that matter - this series has been called better. Not good, just better.

You acting like the Mavs have been given the upper hand by the refs is what's making everyone use a 33" green Easton on your skull.

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You look pretty stupid calling refcalls.com an "unbiased authority".

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What's biased about it? I agree with you about game 3, you can go read the threads following the game where I said I felt the Mavs got the benefit of the officiating in that game. Other than that, I feel like the series has been very even officiating-wise.

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I think that Game 5 was called pretty heavily in Miami's favor, but I don't attribute that to anything beyond random chance. There are no perfectly called games -- somebody will end up on the short side of the stick every time out.

I've noticed, though, that NBA refs have quit putting their fingers on the scales in playoff games the way they did before the Tim Donaghy scandal broke. I'm glad to see it, but it illustrates how rotten the system had become up until that point. The Blazers and the Kings both are still due apologies from the league for the way the refs prevented them from advancing past the Lakers back in the early '00's. And then of course the '06 Finals still stand in infamy.

All that said, this Laker hater will admit without hesitation that their last two titles were completely legit. Like I said, the refs quit screwing around with games after Donaghy got busted. It didn't take my team winning for me to notice that.

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I am not a Heat fan by any means. Read the thread; Mavs fans are claiming that they are getting the short end of the stick on calls, when they have the advantage across the board.

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I guess you just like to stir the pot then, if you're not rooting for the Heat? I seem to recall you being active in most of the Heat-related threads.

I see 99% of Mavs fans thinking the officiating is pretty even. This thread was about praising the officiating and was mostly talking about the Marion missed call until YOU came in and made a very stupid statement that the Mavs were getting the benefit of the doubt "by FAR", which is just plain wrong.

The truth here is that both teams are pretty evenly benefiting from missed calls or bad calls. The fact that you think the Mavs are benefiting "across the board" is ignorant.

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Staff can we get a ban on clay until the end of game 7 ...2012?

Not sure I gained any iq points by reading this thread.

Claym thinks refcalls is biased but wants us to trust his own objective view

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Not sure I gained any iq points by reading texags.

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