so how much money did it cost this idiot to stay at Baylor for another year? Lottery to nada.

Or how much money did he make in his next contract by going into a great situation where he won't be counted on to be one of the top 3 scoring options?

Less than if he was a lottery pick. He would have been top 3 last year. Unless he really develops quickly he will never make that money back.

Well he gave up the salary he could have made this past year - so what $4-5 million plus any endorsements?

Number 38 was still too high for this guy. He hasn't shown what it takes to be a big time player in college so I don't know how that will translate to the nba.

He is a great pick at 38. Arguably a top 5 talent. OKC can take a flyer on a guy as they don't need help.

The Mav's couldn't afford high risk high reward this year but I would have loved for the Mav's to take him.

I dont think anyone made the argument that he is a top 5 talent, so arguably, he isnt.

Top 5 talents dont get draftedon the fringes of the 1st round. He will never do anything.

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Top 5 talents dont get draftedon the fringes of the 1st round. He will never do anything.

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Dennis Rodman, picked #27.
Tony Parker, picked #28.
Eddie Johnson, picked #29.
Spencer Haywood, picked #30.


(But it is obviously very rare.)

Oh, and Jones was picked at #28, not 38.

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I get what you are saying but Spencer Haywood? Come on man. My problem with the PJIII pick is that I think the Thunder need some size and toughness down low. PJIII definitely does not fill that need.

Didn't Fran Fraschilla say PJIII was a lot like Ibaka last night and might fill his spot if the Thunder couldn't afford Ibaka? That was ridiculous.

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Didn't Fran Fraschilla say PJIII was a lot like Ibaka last night and might fill his spot if the Thunder couldn't afford Ibaka? That was ridiculous.

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If he fills out and gets stronger I can see it. The dude has probably the third most upside in the draft after Davis and Drummond. He's a physical freak.

Maybe... Ibaka just averaged 3.5 blocks per game in the NBA. Jones managed .6 per game in college.

Jones may have more upside as a scorer, but I can't picture him as a physical shotblocker.

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The question for me is will he ever reach this great potential that everyone is talking about. He didn't do it at Baylor.

I think OK. City got a steal for what they would need. They are young and athletic and that is exactly what they got with Perry. He is in a good fit for himself. He will contribute. He won't be the man, and he won't ever really be big time in my opinion, but I would rather be known as a contributor than a bust. Good pick by OKC

Or how much money did he make in his next contract by going into a great situation where he won't be counted on to be one of the top 3 scoring options
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has nothing to do with my post. I am referring to the money he left on the table from last year to this year.

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Maybe... Ibaka just averaged 3.5 blocks per game in the NBA. Jones managed .6 per game in college.

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If you took away the obvious goaltends, Ibaka would be getting closer to .6.

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I get what you are saying but Spencer Haywood? Come on man.

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I'd have to look it up, but I'd be really surprised if Haywood was not one of the top 5 guys in his draft, in hind site. He was a 4 time All-Star, a 2 time first team, and the ABA MVP. (At least, according to his wiki).

Artis Gilmore was the only HOFer from Spencer Haywood's draft.

WTF would you bring Spencer Haywood up at anything?

He'll be out of the league in 5 years

Career numbers: 4.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg

And after hearing how non dominant he was even in high school, I feel this is a generous prediction

You do realize that the vast majority of late first round picks meet the same fate, right? He has something most non lottery players do not, which is the size and athleticism of an NBA starter.

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He'll be out of the league in 5 years

Career numbers: 4.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg

And after hearing how non dominant he was even in high school, I feel this is a generous prediction

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I'd be willing to take this bet.

Jones could not have been drafted into a better situation.

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Artis Gilmore was the only HOFer from Spencer Haywood's draft.

WTF would you bring Spencer Haywood up at anything.

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I'll try to explain:

El Nino said this:

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Top 5 talents dont get draftedon the fringes of the 1st round. He will never do anything.

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(In context, the "top 5 talents" clearly refers to "top 5 talents in the 2012 NBA draft" not "top 5 talents in the history of mankind" or somesuch).

I disagreed with the universal scope of his claim, so I provided counterexamples. Spencer Haywood is an example of a play who was drafted at the bottom of the first round who was a top 5 talent in the year he was drafted. Hence, Nino's statement was false. I also provided 4 other such examples.

Honestly, I did see why this is hard to follow.

You do realize that the vast majority of late first round picks meet the same fate, right? He has something most non lottery players do not, which is the size and athleticism of an NBA starter
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again, am I not talking about the FUTURE, I was referring to the money he lost last year compared to this year.

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(In context, the "top 5 talents" clearly refers to "top 5 talents in the 2012 NBA draft" not "top 5 talents in the history of mankind" or somesuch).

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It could mean multiple things. If he is saying top 5 in his draft class, that is stupid.

If he is saying making a top 5 in the NBA-type player, then that's probably a rarity.

Of players picked last 5 picks or later, these have made an All-NBA team:
2003:
35th Boozer : 3rd team once
2002:
28th Parker: 2nd team and 3rd team once each
30th Arenas: 2nd team once, 3rd team twice
2001:
43rd Redd 3rd team once
2000:
57th Ginobili 3rd team twice
1993:
24th Cassell 2nd team once

So in the past 20 drafts, six players drafted last five picks of the first round or later have made an All-NBA team. None in the last decade. Two of those five were very unknown European players.

That tells me that:
1. Scouting has tremendously improved and most of the real talent is rated in the top 20 picks
2. It is rare to get a player that is considered one of the best in the NBA on the fringes of the first round.

Seems like that is what he was trying to get at.

You probably aren't getting a game changer. But you can get some nice role players if you get lucky.

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Soup:

I agree with everything you said, except that I think "top 5 talent" in this context pretty clearly means "top 5 talent in the draft."

The first time the phrase was used in this thread, to which Nino was responding, was here:

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He is a great pick at 38. Arguably a top 5 talent. OKC can take a flyer on a guy as they don't need help.

The Mav's couldn't afford high risk high reward this year but I would have loved for the Mav's to take him.

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Less than if he was a lottery pick. He would have been top 3 last year

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All of this was on a thread that was dealing with the 2012 draft. I think it is far and away most reasonable, in this context, to interpret, "top 5 talent" as "top 5 talent in the draft." I think it is borderline silly to suppose that the t-cam was claiming that Perry Jones is arguably one of the top 5 best players in the NBA.

I was referring to this draft.

I assumed he meant top 5 players to ever play a sport.

Got a text from my Baylor friend (yes, I have one) after OKC took Jones that just said "sic 'em" and my response was hopefully playing with guys like KD and Westbrook would finally get this clown to play up to his talent level. I don't have high hopes, but I don't have a problem with the pick.

And LOL at the comparisons to Ibaka

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I get what you are saying but Spencer Haywood? Come on man. My problem with the PJIII pick is that I think the Thunder need some size and toughness down low. PJIII definitely does not fill that need.

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The Thunder need another capable forward who can score 10 points a game whenever KD gets in foul trouble. Basically Jeff Green. They don't need anymore size. Unless they get rid of Perkins.

Jones is a perfect pick for OKC.

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I know, but people seem to think he can prove that he should've been picked much higher, and I'm saying, not a chance. He won't amount to anything. And to go along with that size and athleticism, seems to be a complete lack of testosterone.

I'm not saying that Jones will be an NBA starter, but some of this some stuff was said about Deandre when he was picked at #35. It's not like Deandre has set the NBA on fire, but he has a skill set sufficient to earn him 10 million per year. Perry Jones could do the same.