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Tallest Team Ever

PG - LeBron 6'8"
SG - TMAC 6'9"
SF - Dirk 7'
PF - Duncan 7'
C - Shaq 7'2"

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If your going off height a large asian man might want a word with you...

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And a freakish African guy (Manute Bol)

You have to add Lebron on these teams since he can go almost 6 games without committing a foul... GTFOOH.

Magic
Jordan
Bird
Russell
Wilt

Sonics/Thunder

Westbrook
DJ
Sikma
Chambers
Durant

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Tallest Team Ever

PG - LeBron 6'8"
SG - TMAC 6'9"
SF - Dirk 7'
PF - Duncan 7'
C - Shaq 7'2"

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Tallest team that can still be in consideration for best all time. Yao and Bol aren't in these guys class.

1st team:
PG- Magic
SG- Jordan
SF- LeBron
PF- Duncan
C- Kareem

2nd team:
PG- Stockton
SG- Kobe
SF- Bird
PF- Barkley
C- Hakeem

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"Alvin Robertson
Manu Ginobili
Bruce Bowen
Tim Duncan
David Robinson"

Not sure how you have an all-time Spurs team w/o TP at point guard. Alvin Robertson isn't even second. Who cares about his numbers. Of course they are great with him as the only contributor. Tony Parker, then Avery Johnson.

PG- Johnny Dawkins
SG- Ice Man
SF- Gene Banks
PF- Mike Mitchell
C- Arty Gilmore

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Not sure how you have an all-time Spurs team w/o TP at point guard. Alvin Robertson isn't even second. Who cares about his numbers. Of course they are great with him as the only contributor. Tony Parker, then Avery Johnson.

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Avery Johnson didn't get cut from the Spurs three times because he was so great. If you think Avery Johnson is the second best Spurs point guard ever, I don't know what to tell you. He isn't better than Alvin Robertson - one of the best perimeter defenders to ever play the game - and he isn't better than Johnny Moore - who led the NBA in assists.

Avery Johnson was just lucky that he got to play with two of the best players in the history of the NBA while being coached by one of the best coaches in the NBA. Avery was not a good shooter and was not a good defender. He got lots of open shots because his shot was not at all respected so as soon as he passed, his many left him open to double down on someone else.

PG-Irvin Magic Johnson
SG- Air Jordan
SF- Dr. J Julius Irving
PF-Big Fundamentalist Tim Duncan
C- Wilt the Stilt Chamberlain

MrGoodKat
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PG- Johnny Dawkins
SG- Ice Man
SF- Gene Banks
PF- Mike Mitchell
C- Arty Gilmore


I think you meant Johnny Moore, but a healthy Johnny Dawkins would have been a good NBA player...

Stan Albeck was the perfect coach. I really through the 1983 version was going to knock off the Lakers in the Western conference Finals. That was a helluva starting 5.

All time:

PG: The Big O
SG: Jordan
SF: LeBron
PF: The Dream
C: Bill Russell

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Avery Johnson didn't get cut from the Spurs three times because he was so great. If you think Avery Johnson is the second best Spurs point guard ever, I don't know what to tell you. He isn't better than Alvin Robertson - one of the best perimeter defenders to ever play the game - and he isn't better than Johnny Moore - who led the NBA in assists.

Avery Johnson was just lucky that he got to play with two of the best players in the history of the NBA while being coached by one of the best coaches in the NBA. Avery was not a good shooter and was not a good defender. He got lots of open shots because his shot was not at all respected so as soon as he passed, his many left him open to double down on someone else.

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Avery Johnson averaged just as many assists in 1995-96 as Moore did in the season he led the league. How many wins did Alvin Robertson pick up as a Spur? The reason why I consider him to be the second best point guard is because he was the vocal leader of the team, which is what you want your point guard to be. If you look at 1999, the Blazers were far more talented than the Spurs. Talented players alone a team does not make.

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How many hall of famers did he play with?

That is an idiotic argument. The Spurs didn't win because of Avery Johnson and the entire time he was with the Spurs, Pop was looking to upgrade him and make him a backup. Avery was not a good shooter and it took him years just to develop an uncontested 18' baseline shot. He couldn't finish. He couldn't guard anyone and was a huge liability on defense. He got posted up by pretty much everyone because he was only 5'9.

When Robinson was out all year with foot and back injuries, Avery averaged 10.5 points and 6.8 assists. That's the player Avery was without the help of a hall of famer.

If I was building an all-time Spurs team, Avery would probably be my 5th or so pick at PG. He just didn't have the talent.

Tony or Alvin
Johnny Moore
I'd even start Manu Ginobili over Avery since Manu often runs the point when Tony is resting. There isn't a facet of the game that Avery is better than Manu.
Rod Strickland

Yeah, I mean you can throw all the stats you want but I prefer winning

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Steve Kerr
Manu
Bowen
Horry
Robinson


Your all time spurs starting five, ladies and gentleman.

I am talking total number of wins. Kerr and Horry each played less than 350 total games. Arguments could be made for the other 3 on your list.

But to put Horry on the list when Duncan was on those same teams too, I guess you just know nothing about basketball.

The guy that rates players by number of regular season wins with a particular team irrespective of role and teammates is questioning someone else's basketball knowledge?

Avery Johnson has more win shares with the Spurs than the other players you mentioned. Win shares takes into account everything you supposedly took into account when you formed your team. Win shares does not account for intangibles like leadership, which Avery was by far the best. It is purely based on the numbers. Guess you are the one who can't judge a players impact on the team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html

Basically I just took your stance by using the stats and won the argument.

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If you say so.

Regular season win shares determine greatness.

Karl Malone > Michael Jordan

John Stockton > Magic Johnson

Reggie Miller > Kobe Bryant

Dirk Nowitzki > Bill Russell

Robert Parish > Larry Bird

Charles Barkley > Hakeem Olajuwon

Buck Williams > Dominique Wilkins

Vince Carter > Julius Erving

Tracy McGrady > Bob Cousey

PJ Brown > Dennis Rodman

Rashard Lewis > George Gervin

Kevin Willis > James Worthy

Calvin Murphy > Isiah Thomas

Use of sabermetrics or statistics to compare basketball players.

It certainly means more than winning the assist title one season or averaging a lot of steals

The reason why all of those players had more win shares is because they played longer.

Avery had more win shares per game with the Spurs than the others as well. Break out your calculator and see if those inequalities that you posted still hold

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Vancouver/Memphis Grizzlies (First team/Second team)

C- Marc Gasol/Bryant "Big Country" Reeves
PF - Pau Gasol/Zach Randolph
SF - Rudy Gay/Shane Battier
SG - OJ Mayo/Mike Miller
PG - Jason Williams/Mike Conley

I have to laugh doing that group. Tough to leave off Strotenial, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

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how do you leave off Shareef Abdur-Rahim?

all-time

pg: big O
sg: jordan
sf: lebron
pf: duncan
c: shaq-fu

raptors:

pg: damon stoudamire
sg: vince
sf: t-mac
pf: bosh
c: camby

All: magic, jordan, bron, hakeem, wilt

Rox: hakeem, malone, francis, drexler, and rudy/shane/harden based on what you are looking for.

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He was the most talented pg we have had. Had he played with a different cast, he might be remembered differently.

Stephon Marbury was super talented, and I wouldnt want him on any team.

I would probably want John Lucas or Calvin Murphy over Stevie if we were building a team.

I'd take Kenny Smith over Francis. Sam Cassell too.

Also, no Elvin Hayes? Seriously?

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Nah.

There was a reason why we called him Stevie Franchise for awhile. That being said, I'd still take Cassel and Kenny Smith before him.

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There was a reason why we called him Stevie Franchise for awhile.

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Because he was the best player on a team that missed the playoffs four straight years including a 28-win season that won Houston the #1 draft pick in one of the worst lotteries in NBA history.

^He played less than 60 games that season.

James Harden
Jeremy Lin
Chandler Parsons
Marcus Morris
Omer Asik

Greatest starting 5 ever