My facebook page is full of a lot of friends from my San Antonio days. Their are a lot of comments about bad officiating last night. I didnt get to see much of the game so dont know if its true.

Many times I have heard from these fans that the league has some kind of conspiracy against the Spurs. Not sure how that's possible.

I really feel sorry for Spurs fans if you ever get a finals hijacked from you the way the Mavs did in 2006.

Add to this the fact that the 2007 Spurs/Suns series may have been one of the biggest injustices in NBA playoff history (crooked ref league overreach regarding players leaving bench).

Just not sure where some Spurs fans get these ideas.

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I really feel sorry for Spurs fans if you ever get a finals hijacked from you the way the Mavs did in 2006.

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I've been seeing this on here a lot lately. Where has this come from? Are there any videos or proof behind this statement? Just seems very bitter, especially with that being 8 years ago

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There were isolated bad calls, but the officiating had nothing to do with the Spurs losing the game. Ginobili and Splitter playing awful and Parker fading in the second half (whether it was due to injuries or Miami's defense) are what Spurs fans ought to be looking at.

The officiating WAS bad last night, but IMHO did not benefit one team over the other. SA did get the benefit of getting to the line more, but there were a couple of blown out of bounds calls that benefited Miami by giving them second opportunities which they capitalized on.

I consider inconsistent officiating to be bad, and compared to other games we have seen this playoffs and even in this series, it failed to meet the mark. It just makes it hard to watch when you know it could be better...

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I've been seeing this on here a lot lately. Where has this come from? Are there any videos or proof behind this statement? Just seems very bitter, especially with that being 8 years ago
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I dont think anyone would question that Stern hadd a grudge against Cuban at that time and wasnt trying to hide it. You have to remember this was pre-ref scandal and Stern was much more openly vindictive (remember his treatment of Van Gundy in the 2005 playoffs).

Specifically, the upgrade of Stackhouse's foul on Shaq to suspension before key game 5 was absurd (Shaq said so himself). D. Wade literally shot about 20-25 Ft's per game, was getting ridiculous foul calls throughout the series. The timeout call by J. Howard was something that the refs allow the teams to correct, was not how it is typically handled.

Probably doesnt mean much to a non-mavs fan but the city of San Antonio would implode if anything close ever happened to them.

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I dont think anyone would question that Stern hadd a grudge against Cuban at that time and wasnt trying to hide it. You have to remember this was pre-ref scandal and Stern was much more openly vindictive (remember his treatment of Van Gundy in the 2005 playoffs).

Specifically, the upgrade of Stackhouse's foul on Shaq to suspension before key game 5 was absurd (Shaq said so himself). D. Wade literally shot about 20-25 Ft's per game, was getting ridiculous foul calls throughout the series. The timeout call by J. Howard was something that the refs allow the teams to correct, was not how it is typically handled.

Probably doesnt mean much to a non-mavs fan but the city of San Antonio would implode if anything close ever happened to them.

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i'll mail you a tinfoil hat

I guess I just don't remember that since it didn't happen to my team. But I do remember Tim Donaghy saying the Mavs/Rockets '05 series was one of the series that was rigged, and that still grinds my gears to this day

Last nights game was over officiated. Spurs couldnt get in rhythm. It was partly (probably mostly) Miami playing good D, but partly the fact that the spurs couldn't get more than two trips in a row down the floor without a stoppage. It makes the game hard to watch.

2006 is widely recognized as a ref job. Simmons references it all the time.

I as well as most Mavs fans are over it by now.

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are a lot of comments about bad officiating last night

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Spurs fans are so obnoxious.

Game 4 fouls called on Spurs: 18
fouls called on Miami: 26

Spurs free throws: 31
Heat free throws: 17

Spurs fans: "It's a conspiracy, we're going to get screwed, the fix will be in, we'll have no shot going up 3-1, we'll get no calls, the Heat will get all of them, what an outrage!"

ROFLMAO!

[This message has been edited by cdhaggie07 (edited 6/14/2013 10:39a).]

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There were isolated bad calls, but the officiating had nothing to do with the Spurs losing the game. Ginobili and Splitter playing awful and Parker fading in the second half (whether it was due to injuries or Miami's defense) are what Spurs fans ought to be looking at.

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Agree completely. Consistently bad officiating last night. The hordes of turnovers cost us that game.

The foul I couldn't believe was the one they called on Manu when Battier flopped after setting a screen. I don't think I had ever seen that before. What a ****y move.

I wasn't too upset with that one because while it was a flop, Manu extended his arms and it looks bad. That one gets called. The only one I was legitimately irritated about was the Bosh flop that got called on Duncan. Duncan wasn't using his arms at all, he was just getting low post position. As soon as Bosh realized he was sealed, he threw himself down which erased a wide open layup. The ref with a perfect view didn't call it, the ref on the other side of the court who couldn't see anything did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBAgZ_hFXRM&feature=player_embedded

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The worst calls IMO were the foul on D-Wade when he blocked Duncan and the Bosh flop....the latter being the worst of the two

Overall, I agree the game was over-officiated last night but it didn't affect the outcome of the game. There were plenty of other factors that influenced the outcome. Like Parker pulling a Houdini in the second half, Ginobili playing like crap again, James double-double, Wade playing like his old self, etc....

I agree. The officiating had no bearing on the outcome last night.

Wade was unstoppable last night. It wasn't like 2006 where he shot 25 free throws. He dominated the action.

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I really feel sorry for Spurs fans if you ever get a finals hijacked from you the way the Mavs did in 2006.

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It should have been us in the finals

As a Spurs fan, I thought it was just overall crappy reffing. I'm pretty sure this is the same crew that had a pathetic performance during the Memphis series as well. They just aren't as good.

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I really feel sorry for Spurs fans if you ever get a finals hijacked from you the way the Mavs did in 2006.

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I've been seeing this on here a lot lately. Where has this come from? Are there any videos or proof behind this statement? Just seems very bitter, especially with that being 8 years ago

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I am a Rockets fan, and I could it bad officiating. I don't know if it was intentional, or the refs were overwhelmed by the stench of Dallas.

Yeah the foul on Duncan was a disgrace. That was terrible. I really wish these poosy floppers would be suspended a game instead of fined a measly $5K. That's like a lunch for these star athletes. That won't do anything to stop the disgraceful flops from happening

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The foul I couldn't believe was the one they called on Manu when Battier flopped after setting a screen. I don't think I had ever seen that before. What a ****y move.

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Wow. Not sure have you have the stones to even bring up Ginboili as the victim of a flop. That guy's headed to the NBA flopping HOF when he's done. Worst ever and its not even close.

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Wow. Not sure have you have the stones to even bring up Ginboili as the victim of a flop. That guy's headed to the NBA flopping HOF when he's done. Worst ever and its not even close.

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Ginobili isn't anywhere near the worst in the League. Chris Paul, Battier, LeBron and others are all much worse.

Ginobili flopped a lot more earlier in his career, but he isn't even the worst flopper on the Spurs. That is Tony Parker. But Parker couldn't buy a foul when driving the lane either, so it is hard to blame him.

The refs were terrible last night. There were a lot of really bad calls that went against the Spurs and got the Heat into the bonus quickly. Several of the bad calls and missed calls moved the score several points. Missed goaltend called as a block, Wade getting a free three point play on no contact, over the back by Bron resulting in an extra possession and a three.

Ultimately, Parker had nothing to give in the second half and the Heat hit their mid range shots that the Spurs left them. Heat played better. LeBron hit nine shots outside the paint. Wade had five. That is the first time in 4 games they have been able to do that and I am skeptical that they will be able to do it again in 5 or 6.

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Wow. Not sure have you have the stones to even bring up Ginboili as the victim of a flop. That guy's headed to the NBA flopping HOF when he's done. Worst ever and its not even close.

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You obviously haven't watched Spurs basketball in the last 5 years.

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That is the first time in 4 games they have been able to do that and I am skeptical that they will be able to do it again in 5 or 6.

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you should be more skeptical of gary neal and danny green than lebron and dwade

oh and yeah the refs were so bad that the spurs shot more free throws, were in the bonus first in the second and third quarters if i recall correctly and had 8 fewer fouls than the heat

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you should be more skeptical of gary neal and danny green than lebron and dwade

oh and yeah the refs were so bad that the spurs shot more free throws, were in the bonus first in the second and third quarters if i recall correctly and had 8 fewer fouls than the heat

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This and This

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you should be more skeptical of gary neal and danny green than lebron and dwade

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Green is a good shooter and always has been. When you double team Parker and Duncan every time and leave him open, he will knock down shots. He was top ten in 3FG% and 3FG made for the season. He is 4th among active players in 3FG% after Stephon Curry, Steve Novak and Steve Nash. Danny Green has made at least 40% of his threes in every game but one of his last ten games. He had a 1-5 night against Memphis [Spurs won anyway]

Gary Neal is more of an aberration because he is so streaky, but he is still top 20 in 3FG% among active players. And some of Neal's are pull up threes, unlike Green who has hit most of his uncontested.

Wade is a below average midrange and three point shooter. If he is making contested pull up 21' shots, it is not the norm, just as it was last night.

LeBron has shot 51-125 [.408] outside the paint in the ECF and the Finals.

Here is the per game breakdown:
SA4: 9-13
SA3: 2-15
SA2: 4-10
SA1: 1-7
IND7: 4-8
IND6: 4-9
IND5: 10-19
IND4: 4-10
IND3: 2-9
IND2: 5-11
IND1: 6-14

SO yes, shooting 9-13 outside the paint in game 4 is an aberration, even for someone as good as LeBron. Coming into game 4, he had been shooting .375 outside the paint going for the ECF/Finals.

Can LeBron shoot 9-13 from outside the paint? Sure, he is the best on the planet. Is it likely? I don't think so. I think Danny Green going 3-5 from three is much more likely. Then again, Danny Green has hit 3 or more threes ~40 times this year.



Your anecdote about shooting more free throws or having more fouls would carry more weight if every free throw and foul [or missed call] affected the game equally. Allowing a block that was really a goaltend that starts a fast break with an easy three in transition is a 5 point swing and wouldn't show up on a stat sheet. The number of FTs and fouls is completely meaningless in judging the quality of calls in a game. It just means it wasn't one of those games where Wade shot as many FTs as the Mavs or Kobe shot as many in the 4th quarter as the Kings did the entire game.

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2006 is widely recognized as a ref job. Simmons references it all the time.

I as well as most Mavs fans are over it by now.

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Bwhaha, thanks for that...I needed a good laugh

I like how every Spurs fan has been careful to say that while the refs weren't particularly good they had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, but people like cdh and token still jump on the thread (which was started by a Mav's fan) and post "LOL SPURS FANS ARE ALWAYS BLAMING LOSSES ON THE OFFICIALS".

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Oh, and if you leave Green open like the Heat have he absolutely will nail his shots. He's a great shooter and has been shooting well all playoffs.

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I like how every Spurs fan has been careful to say that while the refs weren't particularly good they had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, but people like cdh and token still jump on the thread (which was started by a Mav's fan) and post "LOL SPURS FANS ARE ALWAYS BLAMING LOSSES ON THE OFFICIALS".

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show me where in the world i said the spurs fans blamed the officials?

I'm saying that the officiating was not even close to biased towards the heat and hasn't been this entire series

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The foul I couldn't believe was the one they called on Manu when Battier flopped after setting a screen. I don't think I had ever seen that before. What a ****y move.

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That was a foul.

And I am saying the calls and no calls favored the Heat in that game and early in game 3.

The Heat did get a couple bad calls like the Wade block, but no where near the Spurs' treatment.

Bosh pushing off to get the offensive put back. Bron's over the back offensive rebound. Danny Green stripping Bosh on the drive and it went off Bosh's knee, but the Heat kept possession. The Duncan travel. The goaltend. The Wade AND1 where he was never touched. The Bosh flop where Duncan picked up a foul in the paint. There were a lot of frustrating calls and Miami kept getting the better of it.

fun fact

the spurs have had fewer fouls called on them the entire series (game 1 it was 12-12).

Yep, so biased...