Another thread got me thinking. I can see 7 that are virtual locks, though McGrady doesn't really count:

Duncan
Parker
Ginobilli
James
Wade
Allen
McGrady

Is Bosh a HoF'er? At this point I don't think so. If Miami reels off a couple more titles maybe but really he hasn't gotten it done individually imo. I don't think Mike Miller is a HoFer. I don't think Boris Diaw is a HoFer. Howard and Battier are not HoFers.

The only young guy that I see with the potential might be Leonard but that's purely unrealized potential at this point. If the Spurs win and he makes the All Star Game next year he could begin the journey but he's a longshot. Thoughts?

Bosh

Ginobili and Mcgrady are questionable.

Cant believe we are even discussing Miller, Diaw etc.

Jury still out on Bosh. He's got some years left but as of today, I dont see it.

Leonard

Duncan
Parker
Ginobili (for int'l accomplishments)
Allen
James
Wade

Ginobilli is a lock.

Bosh and McGrady are unlikey.

Pop is a lock too.

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Ginobilli is a lock

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Why?

Manu is a total lock. His intl accomplishments are ridiculous. He has 3 Rings, a WC, a Euroleague Championship, and an Olympic Gold. He also led the team that ended the US's ridiculous win streak in international play and was Euro MVP. Remember it is the Basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF.

Only brought up Diaw, Miller, etc to say they were not.

McGrady I suppose is interesting. He was clearly an elite NBA player for quite a while. 7 Time All Star, 7 Time All NBA, 2 Time Scoring Champ. I think he is in, esp because he was such an exciting player to watch.

Essentially in Europe and South America Manu is seen as an all time great and an icon. He broke through a lot of barriers. His NBA career alone is likely not strong enough but that isn't how they look at it. Realize he led the only international team to win a Gold Medal since the US allowed professional players to play and he picked up a Bronze medal 4 years later.

BTW, I was incorrect as I forgot Argentina ended up losing the Final in OT in the WBC after they beat the USA.

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Remember it is the Basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF.

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Which is stupid and needs to change. International competition has improved, and is improving, but HOF should be based on playing against the best, which is the NBA.

Sure HOFers: Duncan, James, Wade, Allen
Probably HOFers: Parker (w/ a couple more good years)

If you're letting Flopu in, then Jason Terry better get in first:

JET
15.7 ppg
.447 fg%
.847 ft%
1,911 3 pts
1.3 stls
2.6 reb
4.5 ast
33 min

Manu
14.9 ppg
.450 fg%
.832 ft%
1,093 3 pts
1.5 stls
3.9 reb
4.0 ast
27.5 min

JET has also started 59% of the games he's played, while Manu has started 47%.

Manu's stats per are up there with the best..... From what I remember.

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Manu is a total lock. His intl accomplishments are ridiculous. He has 3 Rings, a WC, a Euroleague Championship, and an Olympic Gold. He also led the team that ended the US's ridiculous win streak in international play and was Euro MVP. Remember it is the Basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF.

Only brought up Diaw, Miller, etc to say they were not.

McGrady I suppose is interesting. He was clearly an elite NBA player for quite a while. 7 Time All Star, 7 Time All NBA, 2 Time Scoring Champ. I think he is in, esp because he was such an exciting player to watch.
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Essentially in Europe and South America Manu is seen as an all time great and an icon. He broke through a lot of barriers. His NBA career alone is likely not strong enough but that isn't how they look at it. Realize he led the only international team to win a Gold Medal since the US allowed professional players to play and he picked up a Bronze medal 4 years later.

BTW, I was incorrect as I forgot Argentina ended up losing the Final in OT in the WBC after they beat the USA.

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What's the American equivalent of Euroleague MVP? Like Big East player of the year? I see that Trajan Langdon and Anthony Parker have won recent Euro MVPs. What's the big deal that makes it HOF worthy compared to a guy who dominated in the NCAA?

Acie Law has a Euroleague championship and in College Station is seen as an all-time great and icon. He broke through a lot of barriers making Texas A&M a legitimate place to play basketball.

Given that he's averaging 5 minutes a game, I'm not sure that Tracy McGrady is actually "playing" in this series.

And Hey OP, if you're including him, why are you leaving out Rashard Lewis and Juwan Howard? Yeesh, what a list.

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I don't think Mike Miller is a HoFer. I don't think Boris Diaw is a HoFer

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It's basketball hall of fame. Not only has Manu had a great NBA career headlined by three NBA championships but he was also a huge winner in Europe and also led his Argentina squad to a gold medal. He is a lock.

It's basketball hall of fame. Not only has Manu had a great NBA career headlined by three NBA championships but he was also a huge winner in Europe and also led his Argentina squad to a gold medal. He is a lock.

Damn you folks are sensitive.

I don't make the rules of the HoF, the HoF does. As it is college and Intl play counts. That's why you have so many college coaches in the HoF. Is it right or fair? That's a good debate but irrelevant to this discussion. The HoF votes the way it does and as it is there are a lot of HoF players that never played a day in the NBA and several others that were far more prominent in Europe than they were in the NBA such as Sarbonis and Petrovic. That trend is only growing if you look at recent additions so a guy like Manu is a lock.

The college side also counts, that's how a guy like Ralph Sampson made it in last year in spite of only a decent NBA career. Sampson was unreal in college. There are also women in the HoF.

I did mention Howard and said he wasn't a HoFer, didn't mention Lewis but obviously he isn't either.

The point of the thread is to look at how many HoF players are in the series because that will affect how it is looked at historically. If you look at the LA/Boston series of the '80s for instance there were 8 or 9 HOF players, most of which were in their prime. For instance the '85 Finals had Magic, Larry Bird, Dennis Johnson, Kareem, Jamaal Wilkes, James Worthy, Bob McAdoo, Robert Parish, and Kevin McHale.

BTW, if you really want to get worked up about the international thing realize that one guy that could theoretically make the HoF with a few big NBA seasons is Splitter. He has a great international resume and the HoF has several Brazilians. It's ridiculous to me because he is not someone I see as a HoFer at all but at 28 he has time to keep building his resume.

Duncan, Parker, Ginobili

James, Wade, Allen

Pop


Others could coach/play their way to the HoF at some point but these are the only locks to me.

Maybe we have this discussion in 10 years guys:

Green, Leonard

Bosh, Spolestra

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Ginobili and Mcgrady are questionable.

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Ginobili is not even remotely questionable. He is first ballot.

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If you're letting Flopu in, then Jason Terry better get in first:

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Terry isn't even going to be on the ballots. Not even remotely similar careers.

JET's career <<<<<< Ginobli's career


EOT

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Pop is a lock

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this made me giggle

I don't think Udonis Haslem is a HOFer. I don't think Chris Andersen is a HOFer.

James, Wade, Allen
Manu, Timmy, Tony, Pop

I disagree that Manu will be a first ballot guy.

Off topic but I wish getting into the HOF was harder. The fact that we even bring up McGrady or Bosh is terrible. I think you should be the best in the league, or at the very least unquestionably the best at your position, for a considerable amount of time to get in. Wouldn't be as popular because only 4-6 guys would get in a decade, but I think it'd make it more meaningful because it'd be the best of the best. The only guys that would get in from the last 10-15 years under my circumstances would be Shaq, Duncan, Kobe and James (Durant will be in there in the next 3-4 years). The best of the best of their generations. You go much past that and you have to let all kinds of people in, which devalues the HOF IMO.

Not playing, but Pat Riley is involved and he is a lock (as he is already there).


Peter Holt should be mentioned. Unsure on how many owners are in there.

I dont think Matt Bonner is a HoFer.

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I dont think Matt Bonner is a HoFer.

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You obviously aren't familiar with his series of Coach B videos. They alone make him worthy of the Hall of Fame.

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I dont think Matt Bonner is a HoFer.

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You obviously aren't familiar with his series of Coach B videos. They alone make him worthy of the Hall of Fame.

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They are pretty damn funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQc7UpUfqE

Years old and yet only 21k views.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQc7UpUfqE

Years old and yet only 21k views.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQc7UpUfqE

Years old and yet only 21k views.

So good, you posted it 3 times!

Internet connection sucks ass in your beloved Minute Maid Park.

I brought the up a couple years ago and was on the fence about manu, but after hearing the counter argument I think he is a lock

Was that a serious post about terry?
I really hope not because that is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen
Only 6 HOF players and 1 coach
Duncan, Parker and Ginoili
James, Wade and Allen
Pop

TMac should get a look but he won't because he never won. You could have a similar argument for Iverson. The difference is Iverson led his team to the finals and TMac never won a series.

Manu is considered a lock by anyone who knows the process. He also happens to be one of the legit basketball savants of our time. The folks who vote know this and will rush him to the HoF.

Meanwhile, JET is a notorious blow hard who has always been more popular in his own mind than anywhere else. Mike Bibby would get in before him. Labron even hates JET, that'll guarantee non-entry.