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You could have a similar argument for Iverson.

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no you can't. Iverson is one of the greatest scorers of all time. He's a hall of fame lock

T-Mac will also go into the hall of fame, albeit after a ballot or two. Many of articles have been written about his HOF candidacy and most people say he's in.

Bosh isn't a HOF player yet, but he still has time

I don't think James Jones is a HOFer
I don't think patty mills is a HOFer (although Van Gundy might disagree)

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Off topic but I wish getting into the HOF was harder.

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This is my point. I don't give a crap about what someone did in Europe. I understand that it's just the "Basketball Hall of Fame."

IMO, w/ a few exceptions, only guys who were at least capable of leading a team (i.e., being the best player on the team) should be in the HOF. If Manu is your team's best player, then you are Charlotte Bobcats bad.

No, I don't think JET is a HOFer. Just pointing out that his ENTIRE career has been played against the best of the best, AND he has better numbers (almost) across the board.

It's the Hall of Fame; not the Hall of Really Good.

And globally Manu is more famous than Jet, so it really is a Hall of Fame.

I think Patty Mills would be in the HoF of bench guys who bring energy even if they never play. With a foot injury and being in a suit he's still towel waving like a champ and the first to greet players during a timeout.

List of Euroleague MVPs

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2000-01†
Manu Ginóbili Kinder Bologna
2001–02
Dejan Bodiroga Panathinaikos
2002–03
Dejan Bodiroga (2) FC Barcelona
2003–04
Anthony Parker Maccabi Tel Aviv
2004–05
Šarunas Jasikevicius Maccabi Tel Aviv
2005–06
Theo Papaloukas CSKA Moscow
2006–07
Dimitris Diamantidis Panathinaikos
2007-08
Trajan Langdon CSKA Moscow
2008–09
Vassilis Spanoulis Panathinaikos
2009–10
Juan Carlos Navarro FC Barcelona
2010–11
Dimitris Diamantidis (2) Panathinaikos
2011–12
Vassilis Spanoulis (2) Olympiacos Piraeus
2012–13
Vassilis Spanoulis (3) Olympiacos Piraeus

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So Vassilis Spanoulis appears to be the Lebron of the Euroleague. Maybe he can latch on to the Heat bench next year and we can add another Hall of Famer to the Finals.

McGrady should be a lock based on the eye test. Manu is in based on accomplishments.

Bosh is a no.

Why you even brought up Miller, Diaw, Howard, etc. is beyond me.

I'm not sure about Tiago Splitter. Maybe if he can get a couple more good years than I think he has a shot.

Also Norris Cole is on the fringe

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I think McGrady is out because of the perception that he had all the talent in the world but would not try or practice hard. He never got the most out of it.

I don't know that that perception is wrong.

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IMO, w/ a few exceptions, only guys who were at least capable of leading a team (i.e., being the best player on the team) should be in the HOF. If Manu is your team's best player, then you are Charlotte Bobcats bad.

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Argentina wasn't Bobcats bad in 04 when the beat us, nor were the spurs in 05.

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The only guys that would get in from the last 10-15 years under my circumstances would be Shaq, Duncan, Kobe and James (Durant will be in there in the next 3-4 years).

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By your logic Kidd and/or Nash should be in as well, and what about Dirk? They're locks for the HOF in real life, just saying you kinda overlooked them...

Yeah the perception of TMac as somewhat wasted potential may haunt him as far as getting into the HOF. Back in the day his talent level was comparable to Kobe's, but Kobe's work ethic was/is beyond just about anyone's since Jordan.

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Also his coaches have said he never really tried hard. Isiah Thomas said he would have been a top 15 player all time if he tried. JVG spoke at the basketball nerds conference and said that he basically gave 10% in practice.

Everything is what could have been. He had the talent. He was taller/longer than Kobe and probably a better shooter.

Most people think he quit on Orlando to get traded, just like Dwight.

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I'm not sure about Tiago Splitter. Maybe if he can get a couple more good years than I think he has a shot.

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I dunno. A few weeks ago I would have said maybe. But LeBron's block on him may forever destroy his chances

It's a good topic of debate. You have an argument for both sides

FIVE for sure !

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By your logic Kidd and/or Nash should be in as well, and what about Dirk? They're locks for the HOF in real life, just saying you kinda overlooked them...

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I didn't overlook them, I just don't think these guys are on the same level as Duncan, Shaq, Kobe or LeBron. Now, if those guys got in under my logic, I wouldn't mind. Actually it would be an accomplishment. Because instead of a fringe HOF guy being a guy like Bosh or McGrady, it would be guys like Kidd, Nash or Dirk. But on my ballot it would the best of their generation and that's it.

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Because instead of a fringe HOF guy being a guy like Bosh or McGrady, it would be guys like Kidd, Nash or Dirk.

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Kidd, Nash, and Dirk are fringe guys to you???

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