Bynum is garbage with bad knees.

There. I said it before we signed him.

I'll never forget the BS he pulled on JJ during the Championship a** kicking. Don't want that POS on the Mavs

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The Mavs Championship team was all about chemistry. They envied the Spurs for years and finally captured it for one year and then Cuban blew it up like an idiot.

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The Mavs essentially lucked into acquiring TC and he and Dirk had the perfect skills to complement each other in the post as someone already mentioned. The playoff run was about chemistry in the sense that a a)great coach made all the right adjustments when they needed to be made, b)the best player in franchise history went off, and c)role players played their roles perfectly.

The history rewrite desperately trying to make it about the Spurs is just laughable.

I don't see how anyone can defend the decision not to sign Chandler at this point. It looked bad at the time and with 2 big FA whiffs in a row with zero assets to show for it - it's a complete disaster. The only way the Chandler decision could be defended at the time was if they had a secret agreement in place to sign Deron+Dwight, not unlike the secret agreement between Riley and Bron/Bosh/Wade. Clearly they didn't, as it was just Cuban thinking he could outsmart all the other dumb owners with the new CBA.

Chandler is overrated as a DPOY/All-nba center in NY, but he was the perfect fit next to Dirk. Great rim protector and team defender, able to catch and finish on offense, all with tremendous veteran leadership. Depressing how the Mavs spent 10 ****ing years trying to find someone exactly like Chandler to pair with Dirk, and after finally lucking into it and winning the title they blew it up instantly on a pipe dream to get a big prima donna superstar that has a fraction of the leadership/heart of Chandler.

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Still living in 2011 I see...based on the way the mavs off-seasons have gone since, 2011 is all you're gonna have for quite some time...at least the mavs have financial flexibility...bwhahaha...

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I don't see how anyone can defend the decision not to sign Chandler at this point.

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Chandler is overrated as a DPOY/All-nba center in NY

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Tyson Chandler is one of the top 5 overrated players in the league.

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No Mavs fan was saying Tyson Chandler was an elite center.

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He is vastly overrated and not an elite center. You don't give a one-dimensional player that is not elite a 4y58mm contract and expect to contend for the championship.

It hasn't worked out for Dallas because apparently no one sat down and thought- "gee, I wonder if players would be hesitant to sign here when the other super star they are building around is a 35 year old Dirk Nowitzki?" If you give Chandler 14.5mm and Dirk is under contract at 21mm and Marion is hanging around at 9 and you are 44.5 with those three players before you ever add a single other role player. Dallas would then have no flexibility and no shot at anyone else.

Add on top of that that Jason Kidd spurned Dallas' offer to take an equal one to play with Melo/Amare.

I think it was the right move to not overpay Chandler and cripple your cap in the process.

I still can't believe the Knicks owe Chandler 14.5 for each of the next 2 years. Good god

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He is vastly overrated and not an elite center. You don't give a one-dimensional player that is not elite a 4y58mm contract and expect to contend for the championship.

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Chandler may be one dimensional but not compared to the mavs centers of the past decade. The stats show that the Mavs missed Chandler more on offense than defense in 2012. There are many C's that are much worse on offense. He's a perennial all-defense candidate. Overrated as a DPOY/all-NBA, but not as all-defense. Add in that his value is much bigger as a complement to Dirk and the Mavs system.

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It hasn't worked out for Dallas because apparently no one sat down and thought- "gee, I wonder if players would be hesitant to sign here when the other super star they are building around is a 35 year old Dirk Nowitzki?" If you give Chandler 14.5mm and Dirk is under contract at 21mm and Marion is hanging around at 9 and you are 44.5 with those three players before you ever add a single other role player. Dallas would then have no flexibility and no shot at anyone else.

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Stein said today he still believes Deron would have signed here if it was a roster of Dirk+Chandler with everything else cleared out. Would have taken some creative moves but not at all far fetched if that's the route they wanted to take. The past 2 offseasons have shown that anyone is still moveable. Golden State made themselves a player for Dwight by instantly clearing out their bad contracts to a team with cap space. Brooklyn lured Deron by trading for the worst contract in the NBA, then they turned around and traded the 2nd worst contract for Garnett+Pierce and became instant contenders. Acquiring assets is the way to go.

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Add on top of that that Jason Kidd spurned Dallas' offer to take an equal one to play with Melo/Amare.

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Kidd would have returned to Dallas if they were a contender. Smart choice for him.

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I think it was the right move to not overpay Chandler and cripple your cap in the process.

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After all the bad contracts that have been moved around the passed 2 offseasons I don't see how you come to this conclusion. assets > cap space.

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Stein said today he still believes Deron would have signed here

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Ifs and buts...

We don't know what Deron would have done. Arguing that he probably would have done something is stupid.

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After all the bad contracts that have been moved around the passed 2 offseasons I don't see how you come to this conclusion. assets > cap space.

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You need a blend of both. If your assets are old guys, they aren't as valuable as you deem them as a sentimental fan. Dirk may be better than Harden, but 99% of the NBA is going to choose to spend their next four years with Harden, not Dirk.



Houston got to where they are by staying flexible, acquiring attractive assets and not busting the cap. If you think you are going to be a title contender by blowing your load on Tyson Chandler, Dirk Nowitzki and Shawn Marion, I don't know what to tell you.

it's still crazy to think that D12 will be the oldest starter on the rockets... HOLY CRAP.

If they all stay healthy, they could be scary in year 2 of this experiment

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After all the bad contracts that have been moved around the passed 2 offseasons I don't see how you come to this conclusion. assets > cap space.


You need a blend of both. If your assets are old guys, they aren't as valuable as you deem them as a sentimental fan. Dirk may be better than Harden, but 99% of the NBA is going to choose to spend their next four years with Harden, not Dirk.

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Houston's big move to get Dwight was only made possible by acquiring Harden with all the assets they had obtained via many moves.

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Houston got to where they are by staying flexible, acquiring attractive assets and not busting the cap. If you think you are going to be a title contender by blowing your load on Tyson Chandler, Dirk Nowitzki and Shawn Marion, I don't know what to tell you.

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thats 3 guys who were huge players on a championship team and all have continued to have trade value. Marion acquired for nothing via Stackhouse's instant expiring deal. Chandler being acquired for nothing via Dampier's instant expiring deal. The Mavs *had* shown a solid pattern over 12 years of consistently flipping assets for better pieces via all means, including acquiring solid young players via the draft or free agency. Most depressing thing in all this is the complete waste of all draft assets the past 3 years combined with still being screwed over by the Lamar Odom trade/protected draft pick that is hanging out there and thus not allowing for future picks to be traded.

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It will be interesting to see how Dwight reacts to not seeing much of the ball. Harden, if anything, is more selfish than Kobe was.

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Harden, if anything, is more selfish than Kobe was.

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Serious question: Have you ever watched James Harden play basketball? Harden averaged just 17 shots per game and 6 assists per game last year.