no i'd say the fact that statistics say kobe is a better play than duncan helps that argument.

Try harder.

As a fan who has no partiality to LA or SA, Kobe is the better player. Both of y'all would never admit your guy is not the best, but I can. Kobe > Duncan.

You are partial to one side as admitting Duncan is better than Kobe hurts your Hakeem > Duncan argument.

It's hard to judge players of different skill sets and positions, especially G v PF/C. Do I think that 1v1 Kobe is going to trounce nearly everyone? Yes. But, if you were going to build your team around 1 player active today, (and Lebron wasn't available) for their whole career, would anyone outside of Los Angeles pick Kobe?

I'd say probably not because of how he plays. Kobe will never be thought of as a team player. He won't make the pass when he needs to, he'll take the shot.

There's only 1 thing Kobe cares about and that's Kobe's place in history. He'll keep volume shooting so he can beat Jordan on the all time scoring list and if he keeps healthy he's going to try to catch Malone and Kareem.

I prefer my guys to care about the team as well. Duncan > Kobe.

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Will likely pass him: D Wade

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LMBO.

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JKeefe, there's that hostility I've come to know so well from you.

MJ
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Wilt
Russel
Lebron
Kareem
Oscar
Isiah
Dr J

Will likely pass him: D Wade

So that puts him at 13 or 14. Looks like that makes him a top 15 player of all time. Good for Kobe.

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I'm not trying to be hostile. I'm just literally flabbergasted that you can honestly think that Thomas Erving and wade are better players than Bryant. That's mind blowing to me.

I mean seriously...wade? What about wade is better than Bryant? Their peaks are basically the same but Bryant has been better for so much longer. He had a longer peak and Bryant was a top 5 to 10 player from 01-13. Wade has been that from 05-11. Half as long. And he was injured so much in 07-08 that it's hard to even make that statement. Wade has no MVP. Bryant does and probably should've won in 06 too. Bryant has two finals mvps to wades one. Bryant has more championships. Bryant has more all first teams, more all defensive first teams. More scoring titles. And you can't even ***** about shaq "carrying" kobe to 3 rings (a horrible argument to begin with) because wade also won a title with Shaq (Shaq was still a top 15 to 20 player in 06). What about wade is better than Bryant? I'm literally racking my brain and coming up with nothing.



[This message has been edited by JkeefeAg (edited 12/18/2013 6:08p).]

Keefe, relax my main man. You seem so tense whenever I read your posts. Smoke some keef, Keefe, and party like that guy in the above gif. That and accept that I think Kobe is overrated.

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Keefe, relax my main man. You seem so tense whenever I read your posts. Smoke some keef, Keefe, and party like that guy in the above gif. That and accept that I think Kobe is overrated.

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Ah, a post with a lot of words but no actual response. Lets you and I meet up, smoke some keef, talk some nba, and figure this out

I responded. You just didn't like my response. I, on the other hand, don't care what your response is or even if you respond at all.

Oh and I don't want to hang out with you. My gut feeling tells me you would just want to argue stuff. No offense.

^LMAO.

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I responded. You just didn't like my response. I, on the other hand, don't care what your response is or even if you respond at all.

Oh and I don't want to hang out with you. My gut feeling tells me you would just want to argue stuff. No offense.

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Lebron>Kobe
Kobe> Wade, Duncan
Hakeem> Duncan

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I responded

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You didn't defend your point in the slightest. I get exactly what you are: someone who isn't intellectually capable of defending what he believes, so instead you just insult me. You clearly do care what i think, since you keep responding. You cared enough to post your dumbass original comment in here in the first place.

When you come up with an actual defense for your moronic claims, i will take you seriously. Until then, you're just a mindless dolt who says things that he can't actually back up.

I eagerly await your comment saying you don't care if i take you seriously...but you'll care enough to post that response.

[This message has been edited by JKeefeAg (edited 12/19/2013 10:24a).]

Gimme Duncan in his prime to build a team around, over either of the two.

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You didn't defend your point in the slightest. I get exactly what you are: someone who isn't intellectually capable of defending what he believes, so instead you just insult me. You clearly do care what i think, since you keep responding. You cared enough to post your dumbass original comment in here in the first place.

When you come up with an actual defense for your moronic claims, i will take you seriously. Until then, you're just a mindless dolt who says things that he can't actually back up.

I eagerly await your comment saying you don't care if i take you seriously...but you'll care enough to post that response.

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Man, JKeefe ain't f-ing around.

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no i'd say the fact that statistics say kobe is a better play than duncan helps that argument.

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lol

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Duncan beats Bryant in nearly every significant metric. His Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 24.7 tops Bryant’s 23.4. His 184.2 win shares top Kobe’s 173.3 by double digits, despite Bryant playing in 59 more games. The gap is even larger in defensive win shares, where Duncan holds a 93.5 to 49.5 edge. Duncan’s ridiculous defensive rating of 95 (and to show you how absurd this is, Hakeem Olajuwon, the widely accepted greatest defensive player of the modern era, had a rating of 98) beats Bryant’s by 10, as he comes in at 105.

Their true shooting percentages (which measure every shot including free throws) are nearly identical, with Bryant admittedly holding a 55.5% to 55.2% lead, but that is quickly erased when you notice Duncan’s effective field goal percentage (which assigns more value to more difficult shots) is 50.8% compared to Bryant’s 48.7%.

Those differences become even more pronounced in the playoffs. Duncan’s PER lead increases to 25.0 over Bryant’s 22.4. He owns a 3.9 win share lead and a 7.8 defensive win share lead despite playing 16 less playoff games. He takes the true shooting percentage lead 54.6% to 54.1% and continues his lead in effective field goal percentage 50% to 48%. Duncan’s lead in defensive rating drops, but is still enormous at 98 to 106.

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http://thesportspost.com/blogs/view/settling-the-debate-tim-duncan-vs-kobe-bryant

try again

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Man, JKeefe ain't f-ing around

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I asked him to hang out, break bread, and talk basketball and he spat in my face! I'm so insulted!

Lebron > Dream > Kobe > Timmy > Wade

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I eagerly await your comment saying you don't care if i take you seriously

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I don't care whether you take me seriously.

In all honesty, I don't think Wade or Isiah or Dr. J or possibly even one or two of those other guys are better than Kobe. I was too young to even remember seeing those guys play. Still think Kobe is overrated though. I just wanted to rustle your jimmies because you were an easy target. No offense.

Do you care if I take you seriously? If you do, that's good because I take you very seriously. It's clear you mean business and you're a man who better not be ****ed with.

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I eagerly await your comment saying you don't care if i take you seriously

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I don't care whether you take me seriously.

In all honesty, I don't think Wade or Isiah or Dr. J or possibly even one or two of those other guys are better than Kobe. I was too young to even remember seeing those guys play. Still think Kobe is overrated though. I just wanted to rustle your jimmies because you were an easy target. No offense.

Do you care if I take you seriously? If you do, that's good because I take you very seriously. It's clear you mean business and you're a man who better not be ****ed with.

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I love you pretending this was you just trying to piss me off. This was an epic intellectual fail by you and I love it!


[This message has been edited by JkeefeAg (edited 12/19/2013 11:02p).]

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/kobe_bryant_vs_lebron_james.htm

Lebron is very, very close to already having exceeded Kobe's career accomplishments, and Kobe is all but done, while Lebron has a LOT of time left.

Kobe vs Timmy is very close. Hard to call either way.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/kobe_bryant_vs_tim_duncan.htm

[This message has been edited by Bose Ikard (edited 12/19/2013 11:28p).]

Shaq is better than Kobe who is better than Duncan who is better than Shaq. All are better than Hakeem.

The truth has been spoken.