**** Spurs offseason thread ****

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Gasol is not leaving Memphis.

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You're probably right but you never know. Stranger things have happened.
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Aldridge?
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Aldridge?


Plan B
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I doubt he leaves but holy **** that would be amazing.

Funny thing is, I really like our front court if Splitter is healthy, but there is a good chance that injury will be a career changer for him. He might never be healthy for long stretches again.

That's really where the Spurs are. They're a championship-quality team if healthy, and a real contender even if not fully healthy, but getting everyone to that top level is no longer a given. It'll take some real luck.
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The only reason he makes the move is the same reason Beli took less to sign with us.

Memphis has guys like ZBo, Conley and Tony Allen running the show.

The Spurs have guys like Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Splitter, Beli, and Diaw. A European guy may rather spend the grind of the NBA season with other foreign guys rather than a group of guys with a completely different culture.

Plus, the Spurs front office has shown they can build a champion, then rebuild again as needed. Memphis has not shown that and ZBo is getting less and less effective.
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Troll already deleted. Hopefully with a 2 week ban as threatened on other threads.
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Troll already deleted. Hopefully with a 2 week ban as threatened on other threads.


Funny, the mod deleted my post where I called him out.

Glad to come back and see that stuff gone.
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Gasol is so overrated, you guys should be against signing him.

I'll tell you who would be a smart signing...Chris Kamen. That youngster is only beginning to scratch the surface on potential.


He's the white guy on the right.





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Gasol is so overrated, you guys should be against signing him.

I'll tell you who would be a smart signing...Chris Kamen. That youngster is only beginning to scratch the surface on potential.


He's the white guy on the right.





That first pic was pretty much the funniest thing ever. Those are the three players New Orleans got for Chris Paul after Stern blocked the trade that would have netted the Hornets/Pelicans Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Goran Dragic, Lamar Odom and a 1st rounder. Instead, NOLA got Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman (for one year), Aminu and Austin Rivers.
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Gasol is so overrated, you guys should be against signing him.

I'll tell you who would be a smart signing...Chris Kamen. That youngster is only beginning to scratch the surface on potential.


He's the white guy on the right.



That first pic was pretty much the funniest thing ever. Those are the three players New Orleans got for Chris Paul after Stern blocked the trade that would have netted the Hornets/Pelicans Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Goran Dragic, Lamar Odom and a 1st rounder. Instead, NOLA got Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman (for one year), Aminu and Austin Rivers.

lol... thats hysterically misfortunate for the Hornets
Ulrich
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The more I think about it, the less excited I get about the possibility of the Spurs landing Aldridge.
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As in you don't want him or don't think well get him?
aggie_2001_2005
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Probably have a better shot at The Marcus in 2016. I would mostly like to see the Spurs find a way to hold onto Danny Green at a reasonable price.

The free agent market isn't really all that exciting this year, top to bottom.
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I haven't totally settled on the idea of not wanting Aldridge, but I look at it like this:

1. It's not like the Spurs are that bad. In spite of major injury troubles all season, we came within a whisker of a 2 seed in a stacked western conference, and in spite of two starters playing injured we came within a whisker of beating a really good team in the first round.

2. Aldridge is going to cost someone in the neighborhood of 19mm dollars next year. For a Spurs team that is generally built on spreading the money around to lots of good players, it's going to be tough to manage two max contracts plus TP's 13mm. That's 75% of the cap right there, and if you assume that the Spurs hang on to Mills, Anderson, and only one of Diaw and Splitter, that leaves the Spurs just ~4mm under the cap. It's not a hard cap so they can get around that to some extent, but the scenario I just talked about gets you Kawhi, Aldridge, TP, Mills, Anderson, and one of Diaw/Splitter. That's one heck of a top 6, but you've still got to fill out 7 more spots including hopefully re-signing Duncan! Put in 10mm for Duncan (a great value if he plays next year at 75% of what he did this year) and they'll basically have to sign 6 vet min players.

3. The counterpoint to salary issues is that maybe the Spurs need to accept that they'll have to have a couple years of not having the depth to really contend in order to secure the Duncan succession plan. It's a valid argument; the cap is going to go up soon to create more space to fill in some gaps.

4. Of course, the cap is going up for everyone and the Spurs will not be the only team trying to find pieces to put around their stars. There are going to be some REALLY STUPID contracts given out in 2016 and 2017.

5. Also, the Spurs are still really good, and IMO it's better not to get too machiavellian on roster building. If you're already really good, just try to stay good. A lot of people wanted the Spurs to break up the team after 2013, but then we came right back and got a title the next year. Much depends on whether Splitter and Parker can actually be healthy again. Unless the doctors are saying that one or both of those players are flat done, I'd rather try to find a solid second unit playmaker than shell out a lot of money on almost anyone.

6. Looking at Aldridge in particular, his defense is not what I want from a max player. It's not horrible, but it's also not "anchor the defense when Tim Duncan retires" good. OK, that's not a reasonable expectation, but I'm not willing to potentially give up a couple years of contention for a guy who is fairly average at half the game. Offensively I have no problem with his game. He settles for tough fadeaways more often than I'd like, but I also mostly watch him against the Spurs who are good at making that the easy way out.



I don't think the Spurs organization would incur the wrath of point 2 for anything short of Anthony Davis or MAYBE Marc Gasol.
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Whoa, that turned out to be a lot. Cliff's notes: Aldridge would put the Spurs in an uncharacteristically difficult salary situation, and I don't think he's dominant enough on both ends of the court for the Spurs front office to go through with it.
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It's a tricky situation with Aldridge. Unless Tim and Manu miraculously sign for some sort of minimum contracts it will be pretty much impossible to sign him outright without renouncing all of our other FAs. The only way to get him that would be worth it for SA is via S&T with Portland and that would most like involve one of Tiago or Boris going to Portland in exchange.

I am not some huge Aldridge backer and certainly haven't been some huge fan of his game but if he genuinely wants to come to SA and is willing to work with the organization to make that happen then I would be hesitant to not do it if I was the Spurs. Being able to pair Leonard with that type of talent in his prime for the next 5 years would keep the Spurs relevant for years to come. Spurs can try to re-up guys on short contracts and attempt to virtually bring back the same team the best that they can and postpone the big off-season for another couple years but I'm not sure you turn down a talent like Aldridge if he genuinely wants to be here. The Spurs aren't a very flashy destination for talents like that.
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Just to put it out there, I don't think the Spurs get Aldridge. Or Gasol for that matter. If they do end up getting a big name it will almost certainly be via Trade IMO and that opens up all sorts of possibilities.

I just can't see them renouncing everyone and operating under the cap without any guarantees. Best bet is they continue to operate above the cap so they can keep all their big name FA's.

As i previously mentioned, the only way I see them operating under the cap is if by some crazy reason Tim and Manu sign for much less than market value. Which I don't think will be the case.
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At the end of the day though, the sentiment that is being made stands. The Spurs do not have as much flexibility has people are making it seem. In order for the Spurs to sign a big name FA like Aldridge/Gasol, etc. the team is going to have to unload some of their talent that we already have. Tony's contract is the one hurting the Spurs most right now.
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Agreed
Sher Thing
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The Spurs could sign a big name FA outright but they would most likely need to trade a combination of Tiago, Boris, Mills to free up more cap room first. Obviously the only way they do that is if they have a guarantee from the FA that he's going to sign. It's possible but the Spurs will have to get rid of some of their talent in order to sign a big name if they can't work out a S&T.
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I'm sure it's nothing but Lamarcus sold his home in Portland.
Sher Thing
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I think i read somewhere that he was actually renting Damon Stoudemire's house and Stoudemire sold it. Not sure I would read too much into that although I do think LA is gone from Portland and Texas bound whether it be SA or DAL.
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Draft is only 20 days away. The way the Spurs approach the draft should speak volumes on what their overall off-season plan is going to be. If they are looking to conserve cap room then expect them to take another draft and stash type player or even trade out of the first round. If they are looking to operate above the cap again then I would expect them to take a player they feel can help immediately or even look to potentially move up in the draft. Also the possibility the Spurs trade some of their guys under contract on draft night to open up cap room for July 1st. All in all it should be an interesting night for Spurs fans.

Assuming we take a draft and stash guy I really like PG George Lucas De Paula from Brazil under that scenario. Great size and athleticism for the PG spot and a world of potential. Only 18.

If we go the American route, these are the guys I feel could help an NBA team immediately and could potentially fall to 26. I would be ecstatic if the Spurs could grab one of the following:

Jerian Grant PG ND
Rashad Vaughn SG UNLV
Montrezl Harrell PF Louisville

Delon Wright combo G from Utah is also an intriguing prospect.
Ulrich
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FYI, the Spurs only draft someone who can contribute right away when we are absolutely, positively sure that they won't.
Enzo The Baker
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Rumors that LA is going to see Kevin Hart with Tony Parker in Boston.
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Enzo The Baker
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Now multiple sources saying Spurs aren't high on his list. I'm not going to read into anything else until July 1st.
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Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN 5m5 minutes agoNew Braunfels, TXComparing LeBron's 2015 Finals (so far) to his 2014 Finals kind of makes you appreciate Kawhi Leonard.

Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN 3m3 minutes agoNew Braunfels, TXDidn't Draymond Green receive more first-place votes for DPOY this season than Kawhi Leonard did? Where's he been?

This is why LA needs to consider San Antonio if he wants to win a championship.
aggie_2001_2005
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I'd rather get Gasol. Neither will happen. The Spurs would be okay without either as long as they can keep their starters healthy.
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Timmy's lawyers asking for a court date for next summer so he "won't miss playing time." Could be a pretty clear sign he's coming back.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/11/8766495/tim-duncan-retire-san-antonio-spurs-lawyers
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http://www.theplayerstribune.com/robert-horry-kobe-phil-jackson-lakers/
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Deputy Travis Junior
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With contract negotiations looming, Pop spotted outside Kawhi's window after Lebron's epic 3 game stretch

Enzo The Baker
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TP thinks Duncan and Manu will be back for another year.
jteagle
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Just saw Alex Kennedy on Twitter that Spurs might be looking to trade up to 14 with the Thunder. No details on what trade might be. (Sorry I'm a noob and don't know how to post from twitter)
 
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