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Luka Doncic just had an 'MJ worthy' moment
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Last: 4 yr ago by Pumpkinhead
Luka led Mavs have more upside than Harden led Rockets.
While I kind of hate to admit it, I'm not sure there is a bigger sports inferiority complex in the entire country than a Houston Aggie. There's a lot of scar tissue there
Pumpkinhead said:
Must win playoff game vs a team favored in the series. Playing on a sprained ankle....clearly limping during timeouts. The second best player on his team out. The other team heavily focused on defending him, with elite wing defenders like Kawhi and George.
Puts up 43 points, 17 rebounds, 13 assists to beat the Clippers with an epic game winner.
Wow. That was about as impressive individual performance as it gets I am all in on Doncic and getting out a Mavs bandwagon fan shirt just to watch that guy play from here on out.
I think people don't understand what made MJ great. It wasn't scoring or hitting a game winning shot, it was his defense. When he needed to get his team back into the game, he led the full court press. He would crush your will with his defensive intensity. Luka is a great player, but he can't be MJ. He isn't wired with the same way. I'm not sure any modern NBA player is built like MJ.
You Mavs fans are insufferable. I gave Doncic props and said he is a great player. I drew the line with comparing him to Jordan and his performance being worthy of a documentary. It's the freaking first round! If the Mavs go on to win the chip, then by all means pump up his performance as the catalyst that jumpstarted the run. It would be well deserved.
He had a great game today. He is one of the best players in the NBA.
Relax people.
He had a great game today. He is one of the best players in the NBA.
Relax people.
RealTalk said:
You Mavs fans are a sensitive bunch.
I'm not a Mavs fan. I do like Doncic a lot. Its off-putting that a thread gets derailed by Rockets fans because they simply can't help themselves. I do hate all things Houston btw
no player today is like MJ because the game has changed so much. Great players today hit the 3 ball several feet behind the 3 point line and have triple doubles
Ill take today's basketball and today's greats over the 90s
Ill take today's basketball and today's greats over the 90s
Don't care. People like Luka more than Harden.
The OP called it a "moment" and you were basically the first to respond to **** all over it. No documentary comment had even been made. Take your houston microdick elsewhere
McDadeTXAggie said:RealTalk said:
You Mavs fans are a sensitive bunch.
I'm not a Mavs fan. I do like Doncic a lot. Its off-putting that a thread gets derailed by Rockets fans because they simply can't help themselves. I do hate all things Houston btw
Then don't effing post about it on a message board. Again, don't be so sensitive.
Surely you realize that telling others to not be so sensitive is the pot calling the kettle black
Back on topic
12-15 years from now, they will be showing highlights of todays game when discussing his greatness. He's going to surpass a lot of people in the NBA over the years
12-15 years from now, they will be showing highlights of todays game when discussing his greatness. He's going to surpass a lot of people in the NBA over the years
His numbers are absolutely freakish. How he sees the floor is freakish. And at 21. Its crazy. And it's not due to some man vs boys physical characteristics like Lebron or Shaq's early impact. He's just absolutely in control of himself and the floor
Watching Luka grow is enough.
McDadeTXAggie said:
Back on topic
12-15 years from now, they will be showing highlights of todays game when discussing his greatness. He's going to surpass a lot of people in the NBA over the years
Homeboy is going to have to learn how to play defense first.
Right now he is just one of the many great offensive players in the NBA that can't defend. If you pay attention, only teams with great 2 way players actually win titles...that's the same for today as it is in the 90s.
RealTalk said:McDadeTXAggie said:RealTalk said:
You Mavs fans are a sensitive bunch.
I'm not a Mavs fan. I do like Doncic a lot. Its off-putting that a thread gets derailed by Rockets fans because they simply can't help themselves. I do hate all things Houston btw
Then don't effing post about it on a message board. Again, don't be so sensitive.
If people would just mind their own business and don't feel the need to interject their opinions into everything, things would be much better.
RealTalk said:
You Mavs fans are insufferable. I gave Doncic props and said he is a great player. I drew the line with comparing him to Jordan and his performance being worthy of a documentary. It's the freaking first round! If the Mavs go on to win the chip, then by all means pump up his performance as the catalyst that jumpstarted the run. It would be well deserved.
He had a great game today. He is one of the best players in the NBA.
Relax people.
I said put it in the documentary, you simpleton. As in, when one is made about Luka, this game will have highlights.
The ceiling is the roof with this kid.
RealTalk said:PatAg said:Documentary worthy for surePumpkinhead said:
Must win playoff game vs a team favored in the series. Playing on a sprained ankle....clearly limping during timeouts. The second best player on his team out. The other team heavily focused on defending him, with elite wing defenders like Kawhi and George.
Puts up 43 points, 17 rebounds, 13 assists to beat the Clippers with an epic game winner.
Wow. That was about as impressive individual performance as it gets I am all in on Doncic and getting out a Mavs bandwagon fan shirt just to watch that guy play from here on out.
Oh my God. It's game four of the first round in the playoffs. Doncic is great but get off your knees already.
Your bias is oozing in your posts. Only the future knows what will become of his career, but that game (after spraining his ankle the game before) was a legendary moment. Sorry it hurts your feelings to have people acknowledge something so obvious.
That performance is going to be historic even if the Mavs don't win the series. I don't see how you could think otherwise given all of the conditions surrounding the Mavs for that game. The guy is something special.
I'm a huge Rockets fan and have been since the early 80s, and really appreciate all the wins the Mavericks' padded our records with over the years that time you guys lost almost every game for an entire season; the time I saw Popeye Jones try to guard Hakeem and get 4 fouls in the first quarter - those are some good times.
In addition, I think your whole city sucks.
However, Luka is amazing to watch. A marvelous talent embracing what this opportunity is - to show how incredible his game already is. I was hoping they would give the Clippers a challenge in the first round because the Clippers seem to think they're destined for greatness, and are forgetting that above all else, they remain the Clippers. Seeing Paul George fade into the wannabe that he is when the game got tight yesterday was fun.
When I was 25, I would have rather drank battery acid than admitted a player from the Mavericks was incredible to watch. Getting to age 46 has significantly mellowed me out about such things. I had been working all day yesterday but paused to watch the overtime to see what he could do. Incredible performance.
As a fan of great competitors, I hope the Mavericks wise up and get him some real help, because nobody can do it alone in the NBA anymore and the West is ripe for a new power to emerge - LeBron is nearing the end of his storied career, the Spurs are finally in rebuild mode, and I doubt the Rockets will ever get over the hump in their current incarnation. It took them 13 years to get the right pieces around Dirk to deliver a title. Hopefully they'll figure out what they have in Luka a lot sooner and go balls to the wall to get him the pieces he needs.
Go stomp them again tomorrow.
In addition, I think your whole city sucks.
However, Luka is amazing to watch. A marvelous talent embracing what this opportunity is - to show how incredible his game already is. I was hoping they would give the Clippers a challenge in the first round because the Clippers seem to think they're destined for greatness, and are forgetting that above all else, they remain the Clippers. Seeing Paul George fade into the wannabe that he is when the game got tight yesterday was fun.
When I was 25, I would have rather drank battery acid than admitted a player from the Mavericks was incredible to watch. Getting to age 46 has significantly mellowed me out about such things. I had been working all day yesterday but paused to watch the overtime to see what he could do. Incredible performance.
As a fan of great competitors, I hope the Mavericks wise up and get him some real help, because nobody can do it alone in the NBA anymore and the West is ripe for a new power to emerge - LeBron is nearing the end of his storied career, the Spurs are finally in rebuild mode, and I doubt the Rockets will ever get over the hump in their current incarnation. It took them 13 years to get the right pieces around Dirk to deliver a title. Hopefully they'll figure out what they have in Luka a lot sooner and go balls to the wall to get him the pieces he needs.
Go stomp them again tomorrow.
Watched almost all of Jordan's games in the 90's. I worship at the alter of MJ.AG@RICE said:Pumpkinhead said:
Must win playoff game vs a team favored in the series. Playing on a sprained ankle....clearly limping during timeouts. The second best player on his team out. The other team heavily focused on defending him, with elite wing defenders like Kawhi and George.
Puts up 43 points, 17 rebounds, 13 assists to beat the Clippers with an epic game winner.
Wow. That was about as impressive individual performance as it gets I am all in on Doncic and getting out a Mavs bandwagon fan shirt just to watch that guy play from here on out.
I think people don't understand what made MJ great. It wasn't scoring or hitting a game winning shot, it was his defense. When he needed to get his team back into the game, he led the full court press. He would crush your will with his defensive intensity. Luka is a great player, but he can't be MJ. He isn't wired with the same way. I'm not sure any modern NBA player is built like MJ.
Athletically and playing style-wise, Luka is different than Jordan. He isn't the athletic freak that MJ was in his prime, as you mentioned he isn't the defender that MJ was (I doubt he ever will be). Though I think he'll be much more of a 'Triple-Double Machine' than MJ was over his career.
By my 'MJ Worthy Moment' in the title, I think Luka yesterday in that game showed the same sort of big game, killer instinct that MJ (or a guy like Kobe) would show. Luka put that game on his shoulders and carried the day, despite a bad ankle, despite missing his best teammate, against one of the best teams in this year's playoffs. He clearly showed that rare, special 'It' factor that only the most elite guys like Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, etc. had.
I'll be mildly surprised if Luka does not win at least one title in his career. Dallas has their cornerstone guy for the next 15 years (if he stays healthy). Just keep him happy and put good pieces around him. Do that and he stays healthy, he is going to eventually deliver them a title.
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Luka Doncic just had an 'MJ worthy' moment
Luka reminds me most of Larry Legend so far, and not because they are both white dudes. His all around triple-double type game, how he sees the floor, how he handles the ball, how uses his body and great body control to create his shot or a good pass, etc. Except Luka's stats are dwarfing Bird's as far as points and assists at the same points in their careers. Luka is putting up mid-80s Larry Legend in his prime numbers.
Good post, but a few problems:Quote:
As a fan of great competitors, I hope the Mavericks wise up and get him some real help, because nobody can do it alone in the NBA anymore and the West is ripe for a new power to emerge - LeBron is nearing the end of his storied career, the Spurs are finally in rebuild mode, and I doubt the Rockets will ever get over the hump in their current incarnation. It took them 13 years to get the right pieces around Dirk to deliver a title. Hopefully they'll figure out what they have in Luka a lot sooner and go balls to the wall to get him the pieces he needs.
a) Dirk had the pieces in '06, but DWade got the Jordan treatment, and maybe some other shenanigans.
b) When Dirk won in '11, he actually did do it alone.
c) Luka's wingman (Porzingis) is already better than anybody Dirk ever had.
Some of the best players in history have been short-circuited by injuries. Yao Ming, Penny, Rose, Grant Hill, Walton, Amare Stoudamire...
If these Mavs stay healthy and together, the West will not like them for a long time.
I guess I'm not remembering Dirk averaging 100 points per game that year.94chem said:
b) When Dirk won in '11, he actually did do it alone.
What I do remember is Jason Terry torching the Heat for 27 points in the series-winning Game 6 while Dirk was clanking away to the tune of 9 for 27 from the field.
Maybe you were being sarcastic, otherwise that's a pretty low basketball IQ statement to make.
Also, he might be great, but Luka's not even the MVP of his own family. That goes to his mom.
They have a #2 that they can win a title with in KP. The key will be health. KP clearly has more question marks there than Luka at this point
Hopefully KP can remain healthy enough.
If Powell comes back healthy...that's a really salty lineup, and would let us watch KP's minutes. If they're able to add another ball handler to the mix, maybe one that's good at defense....watch out. (Patrick Beverly would have been so great on this team)
If Powell comes back healthy...that's a really salty lineup, and would let us watch KP's minutes. If they're able to add another ball handler to the mix, maybe one that's good at defense....watch out. (Patrick Beverly would have been so great on this team)
The Mavs 2011 championship team was an exemplary model of the concept of "TEAM". Dirk was the leader, but so many role players who assisted him during the playoffs. Dirk didn't do it aloneMuckRaker96 said:I guess I'm not remembering Dirk averaging 100 points per game that year.94chem said:
b) When Dirk won in '11, he actually did do it alone.
What I do remember is Jason Terry torching the Heat for 27 points in the series-winning Game 6 while Dirk was clanking away to the tune of 9 for 27 from the field.
Maybe you were being sarcastic, otherwise that's a pretty low basketball IQ statement to make.
Was Jason Kidd a scrub?
Was Shawn Marion a scrub?
Was Tyson Chandler a scrub?
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2011 Mavs were the 2001 Sixers, except that they won it all.
One transcendent superstar in his prime
A great head coach
Good veterans (Kidd, Marion, Terry)
And an all-world defensive performance from probably the best defensive player at the time at the 5-spot (Tyson Chandler)
One transcendent superstar in his prime
A great head coach
Good veterans (Kidd, Marion, Terry)
And an all-world defensive performance from probably the best defensive player at the time at the 5-spot (Tyson Chandler)
Couldnt agree more. They were the epitome of a team...and had the right players come up big in the right moments.
JJ Barea, Terry, etc...they all had their moments.
JJ Barea, Terry, etc...they all had their moments.
They weren't scrubs, but they weren't close to all-star level either. The person exaggerated a bit, but it was Definitely Dirk and the gang when most teams were 2-3 big stars at the time (and still are for the most part).True Anomaly said:The Mavs 2011 championship team was an exemplary model of the concept of "TEAM". Dirk was the leader, but so many role players who assisted him during the playoffs. Dirk didn't do it aloneMuckRaker96 said:I guess I'm not remembering Dirk averaging 100 points per game that year.94chem said:
b) When Dirk won in '11, he actually did do it alone.
What I do remember is Jason Terry torching the Heat for 27 points in the series-winning Game 6 while Dirk was clanking away to the tune of 9 for 27 from the field.
Maybe you were being sarcastic, otherwise that's a pretty low basketball IQ statement to make.
Was Jason Kidd a scrub?
Was Shawn Marion a scrub?
Was Tyson Chandler a scrub?
I think that was probably the most complete championship team of the past decade or two, with the Spurs teams also being on that list.
As the second best player on a championship team? Yeah, every single one of those guys are scrubs. That doesn't mean they aren't good players, but compared to every other team that won a championship in the past 16 years (Or more), they're would each be at the bottom of the list of 2nd fiddle player.
The closest team to that 2011 Mavs team was the 2004 Pistons. Best player on that team wasn't as good as Dirk, but they went 4-5 deep on All-Star caliber players.
The closest team to that 2011 Mavs team was the 2004 Pistons. Best player on that team wasn't as good as Dirk, but they went 4-5 deep on All-Star caliber players.
There wasn't a player on the 2011 Mavs that you would draft as a #2 player on a contender. They were consummate pros, not stars.
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