***Official 2022 - 2023 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread***

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Wallace doesn't seem like a high need player for Atlanta anyway. Unless they plan to let Dejounte Murray walk after spending for first round picks for him.

What Atlanta really needs is to figure out what they can do to fix their awful cap situation.
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Draft is next Thursday and there's so many players that can help the Mavs that it's almost impossible to F this up if they do their due diligence. I have a tiered system of players (in order) I am hoping the Mavs take at pick 10.

Ideal Draft Scenario:
  • Taylor Hendricks - A 6'9 Power Forward who lead his conference in blocked shots while shooting 39% from 3pt. He instantly addresses multiple needs for the Mavericks defense and would basically slot in as a Day 1 starter as either your small ball 5 or stretch forward next to a guy like Maxi or even Powell.
    10% chance of being available at pick 10.
  • Jarace Walker - A 6'8 Forward with an insane 7'2 wingspan who is built like a brick ****house. This dude can defend basically 1-5, displays elite passing vision, and provides insane off or on ball defensive rim protection. He isn't quite the 3pt shooter that Hendricks is, but he could get there. His mid range game is nice though. He would also start on Day 1 for the Mavs and would basically eliminate Dwight Powell because he does everything Powell does but 10x better.
    10% chance of being available at pick 10.

Great scenario:
  • Cason Wallace or Anthony Black - I'm torn on these guys. Both are from North Texas and both are absolute pit bulls who would provide instant point of attack defense. Wallace is a little on the small size at 6'3 and is more of a traditional PG but unlike traditional undersized PGs, he can hold his own on D and actually guard up because he has a 6'8 wingspan and a motor that doesn't quit. Good luck to opposing ballhandlers who think they can simply set a pick to get Wallace off because he'll give his life to fight through a screen. Offensively, he can create for himself or spot up but his at-rim scoring is a little concerning, which is a potential red flag for a small guard. Having said that, he's clearly the 3rd best PG prospect behind Scoot and Amen and the drop off after him is pretty large (depending if you think Black is a PG or not at least). Unfortunately for the Mavs, PG is the last position they need but he's a day 1 contributor and would pair perfectly with Hardy in the 2nd unit.
    60% chance of being available at 10.
  • Anthony Black - a 6'7 swiss army knife that can be a primary ball handler or play off ball as a connective tissue guy. His shooting is a concern, but it's basically the only concern (imo). He has great size, great defensive instincts, and like I said, has that dog in him. But beyond all that his 'feel' for the game is off the charts. He kinda plays like Luka in that he's comfortable dribbling in traffic and manipulating set defenses. I think he's everything people thought about Josh Giddey, but with more athleticism and 5x the defensive ability. He can also play the 1, 2 or 3 which gives him positional versatility (unlike Wallace). Imagine if DFS could operate an offense? That's kinda how I see Anthony Black. And it's worth noting the spacing at Arkansas was absolutely atrocious. So I think every aspect of his game will be further increased by a compliment of NBA level shooters. If FORCED to choose, between him and Wallace, I might pick Black just because of this versatility. But I won't argue with anyone who would rather take Wallace.
    70% chance of being available at pick 10.

Good Scenario:
  • Gradey Dick - a 6'7 sniper who is 'more athletic than he looks.' (ever heard that about a white guy?) Dick shot 40% from 3pt which included an INSANE 56% from the break. He's not a great on ball defender but his size helps him recover some. HOWEVER, what he is not is a bad team defender. People can criticize Dick for not being a ball stopper but anyone who writes him off as someone who "can't play defense" hasn't done their homework. Dick almost NEVER misses a defensive rotation. Combine that with the fact that he possesses the single most important asset in the NBA (shooting), I think if the Mavs drafted Dick, he plays a minimum of 20 min/game and would likely find his way into the starting unit at some point during the season. We could do alot worse than drafting Dick at pick 10.
    75% of being available at pick 10.
  • Trading the pick for a later pick - As long as the Mavs get a pick in THIS draft, I'm basically ok with whatever the deal includes. This class is loaded with high floor role players that the Mavs could use and trading back wouldn't be a bad idea. I can make a later post about dudes I'd take out of the lottery but trading back as an idea isn't a bad one.

Fine? I Guess Scenario:
  • Bilal Coulibaly - 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan. This dude is basically an eye of the beholder prospect. If you told me he was a 2 way All-Star in 4 years, I'd believe you. If you told me he was out of the league in 4 years, I'd believe you. If the Mavs pass up the previously mentioned prospects and take Coulibaly, I just have to have faith that they did their homework because I got nothing on this guy. He's only 18 years old and was considered a 2024 NBA draft prospect 8 months ago...now he's being considered as a 2023 lottery pick. Elon Musk would be jealous of that stratospheric launch. Coulibaly has all the raw physical tools to be a 2 way monster but 'raw' is the key word there. He has flashes of elite transition offense but can also be completely wreckless. He can 1v1 defend almost any offensive player but can often get lost on rotations or late to switches. His shot looks ok but slow. It's hard to say if he has tunnel vision or is just a bit of a ball hog at times and can't play within the flow of an offesne. Idk. I have no clue with this guy. The definition of a boom or bust player.
    90% chance available at pick 10.

Bad Scenario:
  • Trading out of the draft entirely - don't do it. please don't do it. We need youth and we've seen time and time again that unless you're LA or Miami, contenders are built through the draft (hello Nuggets). There's always an outlier team like the Raptors who can shoot the moon on a big splash trade but teams like the Celtics, Warriors, or Nuggets compete on a yearly basis because they invest in the draft.

Terrible Awful Please God Don't Do It Scenario:
  • Derek Lively - A 7'1 Center with a rumored 7'7 wingspan out of Duke. The former #1 HS recruit has an insane physical profile that allowed him to be one of the premiere rim protectors in college...but that's about where my praise ends. If the Mavs take Lively at pick 10 (or almost any pick in the first round), it will be almost entirely about need because I don't see anything on film that says he's an NBA ready player. I posted this earlier in the thread:
  • Lively shot 52% on non dunks around the rim, 60% from free throw, 15% from 3pt and didn't attempt a single mid range shot....what am i missing? How are people projecting this guy to be anything on offense? On offense, he profiles as a rim running lob threat and that's about it. On defense he can be lazy or unfocused. Often losing track of his man by ball watching. He can go insane stretches of games where you don't even realize he's out there. Like, this dude is S-O-F-T soft. There's no other way to describe it. He doesn't assert his physical presence almost ever. This might sound 'takey' but I think if he wasn't an American that played for Duke, he wouldn't be a first round pick. For almost any team, I'd argue he's a bad pick if they take him anywhere earlier than pick 20, but ESPECIALLY for the Mavs. The Mavs are trying to win now by addressing a need but Lively is years away from contributing to an NBA team. He doesn't fill the need and he won't help them win now. Just trade the pick if you have Lively at the top of your board when your turn comes. 99% chance available at pick 10.

Bonus:
I doubt it happens but there is a non 0% chance that Ausar Thompson falls to pick 10. If that happens, he would slot in just behind Hendricks but ahead of Walker for me. I'm in love with the Thompson twins. I think they won't allow themselves to fail and I would bet 10/10 times on their combination of physical and mental makeup. At worst they are culture setters who would do anything to improve the team. They'd volunteer as the ball boys if it helped the team win.
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I like this. A couple notes:

I don't think there is a 70% chance Anthony Black is available at 10. Almost all mocks have him off the board by Washington, and I don't know why Utah would pass on him if he's there. I would say it's a 10% chance. I think the most likely scenario is we are picking between Dick/Wallace/Coulibaly.

I think I like Coulibaly more than you, and I would be happy taking him if Hendricks and Walker are off the board. I think I would rather take him than Dick or Wallace. This team needs a long wing who can defend 3 or 4 positions. The length and athleticism defensively along with the ability to catch and shoot makes him an insanely good fit for this team. He won't have to handle the ball here, while he is Mets 92 2nd best player. He is really helping them in their playoffs right now. I think we could take him and have a near 30 minute a night guy on our hands.

I just don't see the Cason fit. I like his game but I'm just not sure how he fits in this team. His best games would be when Kyrie or Luka get a day off. I don't see him raising the ceiling of this team.

I would really need to talk myself in to the Dick pick. Another offensive weapon who doesn't make the team better defensively. Sure, he's not a 0 on defense like some are quick to say, but it's not like he's making things really difficult for an opposing player/team.

Agree on Lively. Do not touch at 10 and if we trade back more than 10+ spots we probably won't have to worry about taking him.

Ideal scenario is getting Hendricks or Walker (edit: meant Jarace Walker here, not Cason Wallace) and we jump for joy. Most probable scenario is we trade back, dumping cap and adding a rotation player.
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Wallace and Black are very appealing prospects. I personally think Wallace is the "better" nba prospect which is why I think he has a higher chance of being picked ahead of Black. (Black is probably the better fit for Dallas though). Utah and Washington are basically the only places I see Black getting drafted to and the same fit applies to Wallace. Although can you imagine Wallace running the PnR offense in Orlando with WCJ, flanked by those big wings?

Either way, in your scenario I honestly think Wallace would be the BPA and arguably has a real chance to be a top 5 player in this draft when we look back. Fit be damned, you'd be crazy to pass on the Richardson kid imo. Kyrie and Luka both miss a ton of games and I guarantee you we woulda made the playoffs if Wallace was on the team last year.
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Anthony Black at 70% of being there at 10 and Gradey Dock at 75% is wild
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Guitarsoup said:

Anthony Black at 70% of being there at 10 and Gradey Dock at 75% is wild


Do you think it's more or less likely Dick is there at 10? I think 75% is reasonable, but I would have probably gone with 85-90% that he's available.
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Something else that should be said about Cason is that he dealt with a back injury last year. That's just never a good sign.
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It's my eval. I'm assuming you think Black being 70% is too optimistic? I think Gradey and Black are closer than further apart. I could easily see a team looking at Black and saying "this could be another Killian Hayes, give me the guy I know won't fail." We saw this last year with Keegan Murray. Everyone crushed the Kings for passing on Ivey for a more proven, win now, commodity.
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To be fair, Killian kinda came on the second half of the year and he looked like a young CP3 against the Mavs.
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Interesting nugget in the newest ESPN mock draft for the Pistons pick at #5:


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Some trade scenarios could be in play for the Pistons with the No. 31 pick as well, for example, packaging Bojan Bogdanovic for Tim Hardaway Jr. and the No. 10 pick, sources tell ESPN. -- Givony

Not sure how I feel about that. Bojan is set to make slightly more money than Tim this year. Only difference is 24-25 is partially guaranteed while THJ is fully guaranteed through 2025.

Would we really be that much better off to move that far back?
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The mock also has the Mavs taking Lively, which would be unfortunate.


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This Dallas pick is believed to be available in trade scenarios, creating a pivot point where a range of players and teams could wind up in play at No. 10. Lively appears to have helped himself quite a bit in the pre-draft process, having shown improvement over the course of the year at Duke, and now recontextualized himself as the highest upside true center in a draft that's unusually thin at his position. His range is believed to begin with the Mavericks -- he could provide a long-term answer at center -- and his responsibilities would be made easy by playing alongside Luka Doncic. The Magic (No. 11), the Thunder (No. 12) and Hawks (No. 15) are also believed to have interest, and it seems unlikely Lively falls too far out of the lottery, if at all. -- Woo
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The below are guys who have almost absolute certainty of being drafted after pick 10 who I really like as prospects:
  • Kobe Bufkin (6'4 Combo Guard) - His rim pressure is insane and there's really no holes in his game. He's just a little small and doesn't really project to have a defined role in a NBA offense. He's truly a combo guard who can play some on or off ball. He'd be a great pick for the Magic at 11 or if the Spurs found a way to trade back into this draft, I like his fit on that roster. I don't think he lasts past the Lakers pick at 17.
  • Trayce Jackson Davis (6'9 PF) - When looking at prospects, I love guys who show yardmark improvements while in college. TJD got better every single year across almost every measurable metric. He's a really good athlete who can guard all positions but the quickest guards. He pairs best with a stretch big since his shooting is just not there. For that reason, I don't think he's a good fit for Dallas, but I love this player and think he contributes to most teams on day 1.
  • Noah Clowney (6'10 C) - This a guy I think the Mavs could take if they decide to trade down. He's an insane rebounder with a good motor and showed flashes of being a stretch 5. At the beginning of January, he missed like 20 straight 3s and then had a 14 game stretch where he shot 37% from 3pt. He isn't really a perimeter defender but is a very smart player who will know how to rotate and projects as a really good rim protector.
  • Kris Murray (6'8 Forward) - I love him. I would actually be ok if the Mavs took him at 10 if Wallace, Black and Hendricks are all gone. The only reason I have Dick ahead of Kris, is due to age. But in terms of fit and skills? Kris checks all the boxes and would fit like a glove in Dallas. The only knock is his age (he'll be 23 soon) and hist 3pt% is average. Otherwise, he's a good athlete who can play off-ball, solid defensive fundamentals, and great size. Plus he satisfies 1 of my favorite meaningless prospect attributes...he's the younger brother of a proven NBA player. In the 2020 draft, I loved Franz Wagner for alot of reasons but him being a younger brother to Mo Wagner was what stupidly sold me on him. I think the same thing applies to Kris. He's used to competing against older, bigger athletes and I think would step on to an NBA court completely unafraid. If the Mavs could somehow trade back, get Murray + another player. This would be a homerun draft scenario.
  • Leonard Miller (6'9 F) - A truly position-less frontcourt player with elite defensive switchability. He lacks the shooting prowess that would solidify him as a lottery level talent but definitely has 2 way upside and exactly the type of gamble teams in the mid to late first round should draft. I think he'd fit well with Golden State.
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That would be a disaster
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M.C. Swag said:

That would be a disaster
To be fair, they pretty much use the entire write-up saying we will likely trade the pick.
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Mavs are the betting favorite to land Ayton.
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Guitarsoup said:

Mavs are the betting favorite to land Ayton.


So long as the Suns don't put him under house arrest…
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Guitarsoup said:

Mavs are the betting favorite to land Ayton.


Interesting. Is there new reporting out there regarding h DA to Dallas?
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shack009 said:

Guitarsoup said:

Mavs are the betting favorite to land Ayton.


Interesting. Is there new reporting out there regarding h DA to Dallas?
Not that I have seen. Just the betting sites have him there.
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Not sure how a DA trade would work. I guess pick 10, THJ, JaVale, and Josh Green? Would we have to add future picks?
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shack009 said:

Not sure how a DA trade would work. I guess pick 10, THJ, JaVale, and Josh Green? Would we have to add future picks?
With our decades of disappointing big men I would be ok with this (don't want to lose future picks tho). Ayton is a known commodity. Still really young. Instant improvement over what we have now.
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I really don't want Ayton if we have to give up the tenth pick and Josh green. I've just never been impressed with ayton's game. He's not a great rim protector which is what we need. We don't need offense from a big if we have Luka and Kyrie.
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mavsfan4ever said:

I really don't want Ayton if we have to give up the tenth pick and Josh green. I've just never been impressed with ayton's game. He's not a great rim protector which is what we need. We don't need offense from a big if we have Luka and Kyrie.
My gut reaction is to agree with you, but we also can't go in to next season with Dwight Powell and Javale McGee as our big men. But if we send out Josh Green and THJ, we now have 40+ minutes that need to be filled at the 2/3.

I'm in PHX and Ayton has become a laughingstock/meme here. If we get Ayton, we better know damn well we can get his ass in gear on defense and get his aggression level way up. His GAF level is just so low and he wilts in big moments.
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Lol instant improvement is a low bar. I wouldn't take on his contract and give up the 10th pick. He pouts, gives low effort, and generally seems like a bad vibes guy. You can't have a max contract Center unless they're truly special (Jokic or Wmbiid) and Ayton isn't that.
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https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

Most recent Ringer mock has Hendricks falling to the Mavs.

Marc Stein is reporting the Jazz have set their sights on Coulibaly at #9.
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Jazz are also looking to move up to pair Keyonte George with Coulibaly. Jazz have #16 and #28.

Would Dallas trade 10 for 16+28+player who can play this year? Jazz have Agbaji or Olynyk that they would probably be willing to deal (Mavs don't need Sexton or Clarkson). Agbaji certainly becomes redundant for them if they want Coulibaly and George.
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shack009 said:

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

Most recent Ringer mock has Hendricks falling to the Mavs.

Marc Stein is reporting the Jazz have set their sights on Coulibaly at #9.


Bilal and Ausar going over Hendricks is wild to me.

Also Washington going SG when they still have Beal
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Guitarsoup said:

shack009 said:

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

Most recent Ringer mock has Hendricks falling to the Mavs.

Marc Stein is reporting the Jazz have set their sights on Coulibaly at #9.


Bilal and Ausar going over Hendricks is wild to me.

Also Washington going SG when they still have Beal
I think it's widely believed Beal won't be on the Wizards at this point, especially given yesterday's reporting.

Yeah I wonder if Stein's info that the Jazz are targeting Coulibaly is actually contingent on certain guys (looking at Hendricks/Wallace/Thompson/Black) not being available. I don't subscribe to Stein's substack so I don't know the actual reporting.
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I agree, but moving Beal will likely be harder than they think. That contract is poison

I don't know that I rely on Stein all that much. There's a reason he's on substack now. I'm sure he still has some good contacts, but if someone wants to push a narrative, they go to Shams and Woj
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Per Yahoo

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The Mavericks are considering options to move down from No. 10 into the middle of the first round, sources said, to pick up a veteran rotation piece to help support Luka Doncic and free agent-to-be Kyrie Irving. The Mavericks and Hawks, for example, discussed the idea of swapping Dvis Bertns and the No. 10 pick for John Collins and the No. 15 selection, sources said, although those talks do not appear to have progressed at this time.
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Every time I see Bertans' name in a trade rumor, I always find myself asking "how in the world did he get that much money in the first place?"

So today I finally stopped and looked it up to see what the Wizards were thinking. Funny to see that SI gave the extension a B+ at the time:

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2020/11/21/davis-bertans-wizards-five-year-contract-grade

Didn't realize he made the 8th-most 3s in the league the year before he signed his extension. Also didn't realize he was traded for Kawhi at one point, so no matter how little the Mavs get for him, it still won't be the most lopsided Davis Bertans trade in NBA history.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Per Yahoo

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The Mavericks are considering options to move down from No. 10 into the middle of the first round, sources said, to pick up a veteran rotation piece to help support Luka Doncic and free agent-to-be Kyrie Irving. The Mavericks and Hawks, for example, discussed the idea of swapping Dvis Bertns and the No. 10 pick for John Collins and the No. 15 selection, sources said, although those talks do not appear to have progressed at this time.

This would have been a steal for the Mavs so it makes sense that didn't progress haha.

I continue to have a theory that the Mavs have trades in place that are dependent on who is available at 10. Mavs should absolutely make the pick for themselves if Hendricks/Walker/Whitmore/Thompson are there and should be trading back if they aren't.

One of those guys falls to 10 and you could also see teams up their offers to move up to snatch a faller, so maybe the Mavs can get more immediate help if someone falls.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Per Yahoo

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The Mavericks are considering options to move down from No. 10 into the middle of the first round, sources said, to pick up a veteran rotation piece to help support Luka Doncic and free agent-to-be Kyrie Irving. The Mavericks and Hawks, for example, discussed the idea of swapping Dvis Bertns and the No. 10 pick for John Collins and the No. 15 selection, sources said, although those talks do not appear to have progressed at this time.



Y'all can fleece ATL better than that!
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J.P. 03 said:

Every time I see Bertans' name in a trade rumor, I always find myself asking "how in the world did he get that much money in the first place?"

So today I finally stopped and looked it up to see what the Wizards were thinking. Funny to see that SI gave the extension a B+ at the time:

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2020/11/21/davis-bertans-wizards-five-year-contract-grade

Didn't realize he made the 8th-most 3s in the league the year before he signed his extension. Also didn't realize he was traded for Kawhi at one point, so no matter how little the Mavs get for him, it still won't be the most lopsided Davis Bertans trade in NBA history.


The trade was George Hill for Kawhi, Bertans and the draft rights to a guy no one has heard of. He wasn't traded for Kawhi, he was traded with him
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Indiana is rumored to shopping #7 for a starting wing. Weird to me b/c at least two of Ausar, Hendricks, Whitmore, and Wallace will be available there.
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I'm not sure why they would be doing that. They have a longer timeline with Halliburton and Mathurin.

If anything, they should be shopping Turner and Hield for more lottery picks.
 
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