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************* Houston Rockets 22-23 Season thread *************
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Ouch
We're tanking so no biggie but come on, ref. Terrible call.
* Edit * I take it back. EG brushed his leg on the way up. EG is a dumbass.
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De'Aaron Fox fouled on a potential game-winning 3PA…Kings win it at the line. 🤯
— Hoop Central (@TheHoopCentral) February 9, 2023
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* Edit * I take it back. EG brushed his leg on the way up. EG is a dumbass.
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Definitely a foul, epic collapse last few seconds.
Volume offensive guy and isn't efficient at all. Sure can put up points but what good is that if taking away from your better options to do so.
There is a reason keeps getting traded. In GS he was decent because had to play within their system.
There is a reason keeps getting traded. In GS he was decent because had to play within their system.
I'm not so sure about definitely a foul.Aggie09Derek said:
Definitely a foul, epic collapse last few seconds.
If it's not called, the L2M report would call it a Correct No Call.
Since it was called, the L2M report will call it a Correct Call.
Of course, if Lakers were involved, the league would remorsefully share the call was wrong.
The Nets are trading Kevin Durant to the Phoenix Suns for a package including Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, four first-round picks and additional draft compensation, league sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. https://t.co/fJoFHv3i7M
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) February 9, 2023
Great for future Nets picks. What years do we get them?
Ready for those Nets picks now.
Wow. Good for the Suns. CP3-Booker-Durant-Ayton. Gonna be tough to beat that. Just need to get healthy and stay healthy
Also...LMAO
Also...LMAO
This is just like that time in Muppets Take Manhattan when the Muppets, after unsuccessfully attempting to take Manhattan, split up and leave Manhattan.
— Robin Lopez (@rolopez42) February 9, 2023
So 2 for sure picks and maybe 1 swap that is decent difference
This year's pick swap won't matter but hopefully we are decent enough that the one in 2025 does.Aggie09Derek said:
So 2 for sure picks and maybe 1-2 more.
Weird position the Nets have gotten themselves in. They're going to still be solid and a playoff team moving forward, but nowhere near enough talent to contend for a title and can't see any superstars headed there now after how this has gone down. Since hardly any of their future picks are their own now I guess there is no point to them tanking though.
This is better for us than the "big 3" staying together and making our picks low, but I still don't think we'll end up with any better than middle of the 1st round picks. All in all, I'll take it.
This is better for us than the "big 3" staying together and making our picks low, but I still don't think we'll end up with any better than middle of the 1st round picks. All in all, I'll take it.
I don't disagree, what you're describing is not "trash". He's a solid player in the right system and role. He keeps getting traded because he's a terrible defender and a good scorer but not good enough to compensate. He'll be fine taking Russ' role as the 2nd team shot gobbler without all the baggage and turnovers.Aggie09Derek said:
Volume offensive guy and isn't efficient at all. Sure can put up points but what good is that if taking away from your better options to do so.
There is a reason keeps getting traded. In GS he was decent because had to play within their system.
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He's a top 100 NBA player and closer to 50 on the right team. I'm not saying he's a HOFer but he's not trash. IMO the "he's basura" gente is either regurgitating someone else's opinion or doesn't watch enough basketball to know they're wrong.
Sorry to derail the Rockets thread with "other NBA" talk. We can just agree to disagree on this one.
What metric are you thinking he's anywhere near a top 50 player?
Tons of guys putting up less points that are MUCH better players than him. At some point have to be efficient. He's a negative add to a team (not saying for Lakers because they got rid of another negative) especially for what kind of salary he takes up when factoring in what else they could get for the same $$.
Tons of guys putting up less points that are MUCH better players than him. At some point have to be efficient. He's a negative add to a team (not saying for Lakers because they got rid of another negative) especially for what kind of salary he takes up when factoring in what else they could get for the same $$.
Give me what metric makes him trash. You've got a lot of opinions but nothing to back them up other than feelings.
At his best and in the best system with GS he was ranked 26 in the NBA by ESPN. This year he was 90something, which in a vacuum is probably more accurate. But that's his range.
Again, I'm not saying he's a HOFer or even an All-Star (which he has been, btw). I'm just saying he's not trash. Trash is "worthless". Replacement level. You can say he's not worth his contract or he's terrible on defense but you can say also that about James Harden and the defense part about the "cornerstones" we are trying to build our team around as well (and they are right on track to be future overpaid one side of the ball only guys at this rate).
He's a top 100 NBA player and valuable in the right role.
At his best and in the best system with GS he was ranked 26 in the NBA by ESPN. This year he was 90something, which in a vacuum is probably more accurate. But that's his range.
Again, I'm not saying he's a HOFer or even an All-Star (which he has been, btw). I'm just saying he's not trash. Trash is "worthless". Replacement level. You can say he's not worth his contract or he's terrible on defense but you can say also that about James Harden and the defense part about the "cornerstones" we are trying to build our team around as well (and they are right on track to be future overpaid one side of the ball only guys at this rate).
He's a top 100 NBA player and valuable in the right role.
Ben Simmons leading the Nets team meeting today pic.twitter.com/JUl54hCEwW
— Shooter McGavin (@ShooterMcGavin_) February 9, 2023
I definitely am biased a bit from hearing NBA experts hate his game (Russillo, Bill Simmons, Zach Lowe, Windhorst, etc). It's all about what he's getting paid and expectations vs reality.
MAJOR difference between top 50 and top 100 player in the league. Can definitely see him being around the top 100 players. FWIW he's got the 34th-highest salary.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/ - using RAPTOR - 96th
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34552302/nbarank-2022-ranking-best-players-2022-23-100-26 - 93rd (200+ people on panel ranking NBA players)
MAJOR difference between top 50 and top 100 player in the league. Can definitely see him being around the top 100 players. FWIW he's got the 34th-highest salary.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/ - using RAPTOR - 96th
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34552302/nbarank-2022-ranking-best-players-2022-23-100-26 - 93rd (200+ people on panel ranking NBA players)
Taking the pick heavy Nets package instead of the Ben Simmons package from the Sixers was definitely the right move, but Rafael Stone doesnt get much credit from me that it ended up working out so well...thats just dumb luck.WES2006AG said:
Rockets twitter is way too far up Stone's ass. He did a good job of accumulating assets quickly and finding some value in the draft, but so far his ability to construct a winning roster remains a huge question mark.
The proof will be in the pudding in a few years, but I am growing skeptical.
The Milwaukee Bucks are acquiring Jae Crowder in a trade with the Brooklyn Nets for five second-round picks, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) February 9, 2023
Shows what people think of 2nd round picks
Increasing likelihood that Rockets trade Eric Gordon today. Not finalized but recent movement to move on from longtime Rocket veteran. https://t.co/fvvykBQxz1
— Brian T. Smith (@ChronBrianSmith) February 9, 2023
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100% agreed. Stacking assets versus building a good team are two completely different things. With EG likely gone today, that leaves Boban as the oldest (only 30-plus) player on the roster. Considering we play next to zero defense and are already lacking in a sense of not just veteran direction, but coaching direction, what's the move here? The only plus I can see out of moving Gordon out is just being a good to Eric Gordon for his years of service by placing him in a better situation, which would be anywhere but Houston.
Timberwolves effectively turned:
— Jake Price (@JPrice_25) February 9, 2023
Andrew Wiggins, Jonathan Kuminga, Walker Kessler, Jarred Vanderbilt, Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, four first round picks and a pick swap into:
Mike Conley, Rudy Gobert, NAW and a second round pick
Yikes
On the radio today they suggested adding Russ after Utah buys him out and just letting him be Russ so at least the young guys can see what playing hard looks like and get their asses chewed a little. IDK if anyone can find the postgame Jalen audio, but he said last night's game was "super fun". Pathetic.
Anyway the Russ plan somehow sounds like both:
1. A really terrible idea
2. Better than what we have going on now
Anyway the Russ plan somehow sounds like both:
1. A really terrible idea
2. Better than what we have going on now
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There's was talk about trading John Wall for Russ last year, right? For the same reason? I think it would be a complete disaster. Russ is his best version when he's allowed to be Russ (IE, let him do whatever he wants on the court and take the good with the bad). But we're already doing that with Jalen to grow him so having Russ reintroduced would be self-sabotage.
Garrison Mathews and Bruno Fernando to the Hawks for Justin Holiday and Frank Kaminsky, sources confirm. The Rockets will also receive two future second-round picks (OKC's 2024 and 2025 2nds), sources tell @TheAthletic
— Kelly Iko (@KellyIko) February 9, 2023
The Houston Rockets are finalizing deal to send Eric Gordon to the Los Angeles Clippers, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) February 9, 2023
Wait, Wall and Russ were traded for each other before? There was gonna be takebacks?Head Ninja In Charge said:
There's was talk about trading John Wall for Russ last year, right? For the same reason? I think it would be a complete disaster. Russ is his best version when he's allowed to be Russ (IE, let him do whatever he wants on the court and take the good with the bad). But we're already doing that with Jalen to grow him so having Russ reintroduced would be self-sabotage.
The Houston Rockets are acquiring John Wall in three-team deal with the Grizzlies and Clippers, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) February 9, 2023
The Houston Rockets are acquiring John Wall in three-team deal with the Grizzlies and Clippers, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) February 9, 2023
What in the hell
LmaoAggie09Derek said:The Houston Rockets are acquiring John Wall in three-team deal with the Grizzlies and Clippers, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) February 9, 2023
All to help out other teams and get back worthless picks that maybe just maybe can get something for down the road.
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Gordon goes out in the Wall trade. Wall's contract is team option for next year.Aggie09Derek said:
All to help out other teams and get back worthless picks that maybe just maybe can get something for down the road.