Jeter is on pace to collect 218 hits this season.

I've never rooted for the Yankees. Never. But the guy amazes me. I was looking at the all time hit leader list (he ranks 13th) and noticed that at season's end he is likely to accomplish something only 2 other players (Rose and Cobb) have ever done:

Have a 200 hit season after already collecting your 3000th hit.

I don't usually jerk off over stats but this is pretty amazing. He's 38 and still going strong. Most of the guys above him on this list had very little left in the tank after hit #3000.

1. Pete Rose 4256
2. Ty Cobb 4189
3. Hank Aaron 3771
4. Stan Musial 3630
5. Tris Speaker 3514
6. Cap Anson 3435
7. Honus Wagner 3420
8. C. Yastrzemski 3419
9. Paul Molitor 3319
10. Eddie Collins 3315
11. Willie Mays 3283
12. Eddie Murray 3255
13. Derek Jeter 3245
14. Nap Lajoie 3242

Has this been discussed anywhere? I don't watch ESPN or YES...just surf the web.

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just avg 150 hits for the next two years will get him into the top 5, truly remarkable

If he plays six more seasons, he'll be right there with Rose and Cobb.

Have to respect greatness.

I'm shocked it took you people this long to recognize this. He's pretty close to leading the MLB in hits

Jeter has had a remarkable career. One thing that has definitely helped his career numbers is playing every year with a great offensive team, because the batting order simply rolls over more times through the course of the season.

Consider these numbers:

- 7 times Jeter has had over 700 plate appearances in a season
- for his career he averages 4.6 plate appearances per game -- that is amazing -- even greater than Pete Rose's per game average

By contrast Stan Musial and Hank Aaron averaged around 4.2 plate appearances per game

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Jeter has had a remarkable career. One thing that has definitely helped his career numbers is playing every year with a great offensive team, because the batting order simply rolls over more times through the course of the season.

Consider these numbers:

- 7 times Jeter has had over 700 plate appearances in a season
- for his career he averages 4.6 plate appearances per game -- that is amazing -- even greater than Pete Rose's per game average

By contrast Stan Musial and Hank Aaron averaged around 4.2 plate appearances per game

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I tried to explain that fact a couple of years ago. Good luck with that argument.

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One thing that has definitely helped his career numbers is playing every year with a great offensive team, because the batting order simply rolls over more times through the course of the season.

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Someone should come up with a statistic to take this into account. Maybe produce a probability factor for each plate appearance by creating a ratio of hits to at bats so we could compare these all time leaders on additional criteria other than just the raw numbers.

Yeah, same arguments I heard back then. The simple raw stats are enough to make a correlation. The more at bats, the more opportunities to get a hit.

Also, he's always had talent hitting behind him allowing him to see pitches.

I don't say this to diminish his skills, but there is definitely a better chance to amass the hits he has playing for a team that allows him to see more at bats each season than if he played for Seattle.

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I don't say this to diminish his skills, but there is definitely a better chance to amass the hits he has playing for a team that allows him to see more at bats each season than if he played for Seattle.

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Ichiro seemed to be just fine playing in garbage offenses in seattle...

Compare Ichiro's PA's to Jeter's, Ichiro seems to average a bit more per year so it's not like Jeter gets that big of a bump....

The extra at bat factor is totally overblown and mostly wrong.

One of the reasons he gets extra at bats? Because he hits .313 when he's batting, allowing teammates to keep the inning going.

You compared him to Aaron and Musial? That's dumb. They were cleanup hitters. Lead off hitter is always going to get more at bats. Those guys had higher chance for RBI than Jeter. Compare Jeter to Brock, Henderson, Biggio, Willie Wilson, etc. Any difference is minimal.

Because Jeter plays for good team, he gets maybe twenty "extra plate appearances" per season??? That gives him a mere six more hits than the next guy. No big deal.

Hate the Yankees.
Respect Jeter. Especially that he can perform like this at his age.
Also respect the way that Swisher plays the game.
But I do hate the damned Yankees.

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Compare Ichiro's PA's to Jeter's, Ichiro seems to average a bit more per year so it's not like Jeter gets that big of a bump....

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It is PA per game that is interesting. Jeter averages around 145 games a season. Ichiro is well documented for his play every game attitude. He averages around 160 games a season. That is 15 more games every season over the last 10 or so. That is quite a big difference and yet their PAs is generally pretty close.

Jeter's really good at the plate. I was excited to write him off last year, but was that obviously premature. I resent him because he stole so many gold gloves, but I can't take anything away from him at the plate. Dude is easily an all-timer.

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Ichiro - 4.58 PA/Game
Jeter - 4.59 PA/Game

Wow, look at that huge difference.....

OR - where did you get that stat?

Fangraphs, divided # of games by # PAs for each.

So, I took the top 100 hit leaders and exported from Fangraphs, just so happens Ichiro and Jeter are way up there.



Name G PA H PA/GM
Jesse Burkett 2066 9605 2850 4.649080348
Derek Jeter 2541 11690 3247 4.600550964
Ichiro Suzuki 1867 8565 2557 4.587573648
Ed Delahanty 1835 8389 2596 4.571662125
Paul Molitor 2682 12167 3319 4.536539896
Jim O'Rourke 1999 9051 2643 4.527763882
Jimmy Ryan 2012 9106 2502 4.52584493
George Van Haltren 1984 8979 2532 4.525705645
Willie Keeler 2123 9594 2932 4.519076778
Cap Anson 2523 11319 3418 4.486325803
Lou Gehrig 2164 9660 2721 4.463955638
Pete Rose 3557 15876 4256 4.46331178
Richie Ashburn 2189 9736 2574 4.447693011
Doc Cramer 2239 9933 2705 4.436355516
Alex Rodriguez 2491 11034 2872 4.429546367
Craig Biggio 2834 12504 3060 4.41213832
Wade Boggs 2437 10740 3010 4.407057858
Charlie Gehringer 2323 10237 2839 4.40680155
Johnny Damon 2479 10917 2769 4.403791852
Jake Beckley 2386 10470 2930 4.388097234
Roberto Alomar 2371 10400 2724 4.38633488
George Sisler 2055 9013 2812 4.385888078
Fred Clarke 2242 9819 2672 4.379571811
Nellie Fox 2367 10349 2663 4.372201098
Frankie Frisch 2311 10100 2880 4.370402423
Rickey Henderson 3068 13346 3055 4.350065189
Max Carey 2476 10770 2665 4.349757674
Frank Thomas 2322 10075 2468 4.338931955
Luis Aparicio 2601 11230 2677 4.317570165
Ty Cobb 3035 13072 4189 4.30708402
Lou Brock 2611 11238 3023 4.304098047
Robin Yount 2847 12249 3142 4.302423604
George Brett 2702 11625 3154 4.302368616
Tris Speaker 2789 11988 3514 4.298314808
Cal Ripken 2998 12883 3184 4.297198132
Al Simmons 2215 9515 2927 4.295711061
Goose Goslin 2287 9822 2735 4.294709226
George Davis 2368 10151 2660 4.286739865
Joe Morgan 2645 11329 2517 4.283175803
Rod Carew 2465 10550 3053 4.279918864
Ted Williams 2292 9791 2654 4.271815009
Rafael Palmeiro 2822 12046 3020 4.268603827
Lave Cross 2275 9710 2645 4.268131868
Sam Rice 2404 10246 2987 4.262063228
Eddie Collins 2826 12037 3315 4.259377212
Chipper Jones 2461 10473 2700 4.25558716
Gary Sheffield 2573 10947 2689 4.254566654
Manny Ramirez 2299 9774 2574 4.251413658
Eddie Murray 3021 12817 3255 4.242634889
Babe Ruth 2503 10616 2873 4.241310427
Ken Griffey Jr. 2668 11304 2781 4.236881559
Barry Bonds 2976 12606 2935 4.235887097
Carl Yastrzemski 3306 13991 3419 4.23200242
Billy Williams 2486 10519 2711 4.231295253
Luke Appling 2422 10243 2749 4.229149463
Hank Aaron 3298 13940 3771 4.226804124
Vladimir Guerrero 2145 9059 2590 4.223310023
Paul Waner 2549 10762 3152 4.222047862
Vada Pinson 2464 10403 2757 4.221996753
Nap Lajoie 2480 10460 3242 4.217741935
Rabbit Maranville 2670 11256 2605 4.215730337
Sam Crawford 2517 10594 2961 4.208978943
Honus Wagner 2792 11739 3415 4.204512894
Stan Musial 3026 12712 3630 4.200925314
Tony Gwynn 2436 10232 3141 4.200328407
Roberto Clemente 2433 10212 3000 4.1972873
Rogers Hornsby 2259 9475 2930 4.194333776
Heinie Manush 2008 8416 2524 4.19123506
Frank Robinson 2808 11743 2943 4.181980057
Buddy Bell 2397 10009 2514 4.175636212
Willie Mays 2992 12493 3283 4.175467914
Dave Winfield 2961 12358 3110 4.173590003
Jimmie Foxx 2317 9670 2646 4.173500216
Harry Heilmann 2148 8960 2660 4.17132216
Tim Raines 2494 10359 2605 4.153568565
Mel Ott 2730 11337 2876 4.152747253
Zack Wheat 2410 9996 2884 4.147717842
Fred McGriff 2455 10174 2490 4.144195519
Dave Parker 2461 10184 2712 4.138155221
Al Oliver 2366 9778 2743 4.13271344
Garret Anderson 2225 9177 2529 4.124494382
Ernie Banks 2528 10395 2583 4.111946203
Steve Finley 2548 10460 2548 4.105180534
Joe Medwick 1984 8142 2471 4.103830645
Andre Dawson 2624 10768 2774 4.103658537
Al Kaline 2834 11597 3007 4.092095977
Brooks Robinson 2884 11782 2848 4.085298197
Mickey Vernon 2409 9834 2495 4.082191781
Omar Vizquel 2933 11969 2866 4.080804637
Luis Gonzalez 2584 10531 2591 4.075464396
Ivan Rodriguez 2525 10270 2844 4.067326733
Steve Garvey 2329 9466 2599 4.064405324
Willie Davis 2418 9822 2561 4.062034739
Reggie Jackson 2820 11416 2584 4.04822695
Bill Buckner 2512 10037 2715 3.995621019
Ted Simmons 2454 9685 2472 3.946617767
Harold Baines 2815 11092 2866 3.940319716
Tony Perez 2773 10861 2732 3.916696718
Julio Franco 2523 9731 2586 3.856916369
Rusty Staub 2944 11229 2716 3.81419837

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What?!

I think 'Runs Created' is an interesting statistic. It is basically an estimation of how many runs you would expect a game if a team played 9 of that specific player.

Jeter has a career RC of 6.4.

Ichiro is at 6.1.

For comparison's sake, Pete Rose was 5.8, Willie Wilson had a 4.7, Tim Raines was 6.6, Biggio was 5.9, Rickey Henderson was 6.8.



I have no doubt Jeter has played in favorable conditions, but I think that statistic helps show he's certainly done a lot to help himself out, too.

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I like Swisher, too. He's not the most talented player, but he gets the job done year after year. He's fundamentally strong, you can feel very comfortable that you're going to get 30-35 2B, 25-30 HR, 80-90 runs, and 85-90 RBI every single year.

Swisher is the biggest tool in professional sports.

No?

Are significant plate appearances lost for not batting in the 9th playing with better teams?

Didn't he fit in a little one on one with a Miss Universe into his busy schedule at some point, too?

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He also did Jessica biel and was the second guy Mariah Carey ever slept with (like 1997 in her prime Mariah Carey... Drools...)

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Didn't he fit in a little one on one time with A-rod into his busy schedule at some point?

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FIFY

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He also did Jessica biel and was the second guy Mariah Carey ever slept with (like 1997 in her prime Mariah Carey... Drools...)

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At least he doesn't hang on to any of them for too long...sharing is caring.

Dude's off-field game is as strong as his on-field game fa sho

El Capitain with his tenth homer of the year!

Average up to .320

And leading the majors in hits