Shin Soo-Choo

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SilverTongueDevil
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Wow and I thought the Jayson Werth contract was bad but it's nothing compared to this.

If I was a MLB GM I would just never do business with Scott Boras.

Jon Daniels has made some mistakes to dismantle this team but this contract alone justifies running him out of town.
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I opened this thread expecting the first word to be....sucks
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Jon Daniels has made some mistakes to dismantle this team

Name a single player involved in his 'dismantling' that has been a mistake.
Mr. White
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Choo
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Andrus deal was bad too
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I haven't watched much of the Rangers this year, the other night I turned them on, in the batting line up, 3 guys were hitting .300 or better, 2 were between .200 & .210, and the other 4 were under .200.

It's no wonder why they are getting shut out so often. It's hard to get a rally going when 2/3 of the line up is hitting below the Mendoza line and the power guys aren't hitting any home runs.

With that, their decimated pitching staff seems to be performing a little better than I expected.
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When does Magadan start feeling the heat? Offense has been on a steady (or not so steady at times) decline since he's been here.

It seemed like KC got a boost when they brought in a new guy mid-season last year.

What's Rudy Jaramillo up to these days?
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Jon Daniels has made some mistakes to dismantle this team

Name a single player involved in his 'dismantling' that has been a mistake.
Choo signing
not resigning napoli
not resigning cruz
kinsler for fielder
andrus deal

the only thing I can see they have done right is not resigning Hamilton
and remember, Daniels wanted to give c lee a big deal but got outbid

I defended Daniels for awhile but right now he's garbage and giving a lot of credibility to those that claim Nolan Ryan was the brains of the operation.

DallasAg 94
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Keep in mind... Choo was signed because he had a .423 OBP. I think JD saw that as ducks on the pond just waiting to score. He had a .340 OBP last season. Showing .254 today.

Last season, we heard he was injured. I'm not sure what his deal is this season. He better figure it out soon, or he'll find himself on the DL.

It was a terrible signing when it was done. Looks even worse now.

The Rangers under Magadan have had several fundamental philosophical changes. He joined the Rangers in October 2012. The philosophy when he came was to be patient. Go deep into counts and essentially try to get to a team's bullpen. Now they are supposed to be more aggressive.



2012 (Min 300 AB)
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4.43 Napoli
3.97 Kinsler
3.93 Murphy
3.91 Andrus
3.90 Moreland
3.84 Cruz
3.69 Hamilton
3.65 Beltre

2013 (Min 300 AB) - Increase from 2012
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(4.59 Napoli with Red Sox)
4.19 Profar
4.13 Moreland (+0.23)
3.98 Andrus (+0.08)
3.94 Cruz (+0.10)
3.90 Murphy
3.88 Kinsler (-0.09)
3.76 Rios (Includes CHW)
3.67 Beltre (+0.02)
3.64 Martin
3.27 AJPierzynski

2014 (Min 300 AB) - Increase from 2013
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3.99 Andrus (+0.01)
3.92 Rios (+0.16)
3.80 Beltre (+0.13)
3.68 Martin (+0.04

2015 - Decrease from 2014
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3.83 Andrus (-0.16)
3.68 Beltre (-0.12)
3.35 Martin (-0.33)

In 2015, I could add guys like Odor and Moreland, but since they didn't get 300 AB in 2014, I left them off 2014 and thus 2015.

It will be interesting.
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Choo signing
not resigning napoli
not resigning cruz
kinsler for fielder
andrus deal

the only thing I can see they have done right is not resigning Hamilton
and remember, Daniels wanted to give c lee a big deal but got outbid

I defended Daniels for awhile but right now he's garbage and giving a lot of credibility to those that claim Nolan Ryan was the brains of the operation.

We'll have to let things continue to play out.

Not resigning Cruz was the right thing to do. He wanted a multi-year deal with Texas and him signing a one year with Baltimore was because Texas turned him away for a multi-year. The multi-year never materialized for him. We all know he is juicing again and that is a liability for any team to carry and invest in. His .337\10 HR in 21 Games projects to 77 HRs. Dude is killing it and making A-Rod's PED Approved MVP season look like amateur stuff.

Napoli was another one of those deals. He wanted to sign and play Catcher. The Rangers said no and moved on. Boston signed him to play catcher. He found out shortly thereafter he would NOT play catcher because of health. He just wouldn't sign as a 1B\DH.

Kinsler went .275\17 HR \ 15 SB in 2014 as a Tiger. About what he did in 2013, with a few less pickoffs.
He is .292\ 0HRs \ 3 SB in 2015.

Odor went .259 \ 9 HR \ 4 SB last year.
Sucking this year.

Fielder went .247 \3HRs in 42 Games in 2014.
He is currently .333 \ 1 HR in 21 Games in 2015.

You can't argue Fielder has better hitters surrounding him, than Kinsler has in Detroit. Jury is still out on this one.

Choo - A bust so far.
Andrus - Not looking good so far.

But the WHOLE team seems to be doing terrible in 2015, sans Fielder.
SilverTongueDevil
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We are presently hemmhoraging with 3 Boras clients... Choo, Andrus and Fielder.

At at least the tigers are picking up the tab for 25% of fielders contract. We aren't likely to ever find anyone to do likewise with Choo's deal.
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Fielder has a 800+ OPS, hardly "hemorrhaging" on that deal.
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I opened this thread expecting the first word to be....sucks

Amen
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Choo signing
not resigning napoli
not resigning cruz
kinsler for fielder
andrus deal

the only thing I can see they have done right is not resigning Hamilton
and remember, Daniels wanted to give c lee a big deal but got outbid

I defended Daniels for awhile but right now he's garbage and giving a lot of credibility to those that claim Nolan Ryan was the brains of the operation.

We'll have to let things continue to play out.

Not resigning Cruz was the right thing to do. He wanted a multi-year deal with Texas and him signing a one year with Baltimore was because Texas turned him away for a multi-year. The multi-year never materialized for him. We all know he is juicing again and that is a liability for any team to carry and invest in. His .337\10 HR in 21 Games projects to 77 HRs. Dude is killing it and making A-Rod's PED Approved MVP season look like amateur stuff.

Napoli was another one of those deals. He wanted to sign and play Catcher. The Rangers said no and moved on. Boston signed him to play catcher. He found out shortly thereafter he would NOT play catcher because of health. He just wouldn't sign as a 1B\DH.

Kinsler went .275\17 HR \ 15 SB in 2014 as a Tiger. About what he did in 2013, with a few less pickoffs.
He is .292\ 0HRs \ 3 SB in 2015.

Odor went .259 \ 9 HR \ 4 SB last year.
Sucking this year.

Fielder went .247 \3HRs in 42 Games in 2014.
He is currently .333 \ 1 HR in 21 Games in 2015.

You can't argue Fielder has better hitters surrounding him, than Kinsler has in Detroit. Jury is still out on this one.

Choo - A bust so far.
Andrus - Not looking good so far.

But the WHOLE team seems to be doing terrible in 2015, sans Fielder.
all those words. I'll help you out. This Choo deal might be one of the worst i've ever seen. Like i mean top 5
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all those words. I'll help you out. This Choo deal might be one of the worst i've ever seen. Like i mean top 5
I always forget how difficult all those words are for you. I'll have to remember my crayons and draw pictures.

For sophisticated Yankee fans... I always thought they liked more about baseball than just watching guys on PEDs blasting HRs.
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Fielder has a 800+ OPS, hardly "hemorrhaging" on that deal.
Fielder was brought in for power in the lineup. He has 1 HR thus far. I'm glad he's hitting for avg and is the only player hitting decent. However, he's not living up to his contract at this point.
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Fielder has a 800+ OPS, hardly "hemorrhaging" on that deal.
Fielder was brought in for power in the lineup. He has 1 HR thus far. I'm glad he's hitting for avg and is the only player hitting decent. However, he's not living up to his contract at this point.

Ignoring that "not living up to" is a far cry from "hemorrhaging", assuming Fielder isn't broken his contract is very much trade-able... Probably one of the few trade-able contracts on the team.
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$143 million dollar payroll!!!!
mhayden
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To be fair, with a 604 OPS and 4 errors, Adrian Beltre is stealing money more than Andrus at this point.
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not resigning cruz


Why do people not understand this situation? We offered him the qualifying deal. 14.1 million for 1 year, and he signed with Baltimore. Guess what his deal was. 1 year, and like 8 million.
Mr. White
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AP, does Daniels throw stuff when frustrated?

Don't answer if that's the case.

Say he does if he doesn't.
mhayden
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Yeah, the Cruz thing reads like much of the anti-JD stuff that Galloway rambles on about (eg. Josh "quit" on the team).

Assuming no outside factors, was Daniels wrong that Cruz wasn't worth more? Sure... But so was every other MLB GM.

And that's assuming no outside factors... It's funny, people rag on Hamilton because he supposedly "quit" on the team in 2012...

2012 Hamilton Aug/Sept: 940+ OPS
2012 Cruz Aug/Sept: 800 OPS

Now if you want to talk about "quitting"... On August 5th Nelson Cruz accepted a suspension rather than appealing so that his value when he hit free agency at the end of that year would not be further diminished. Texas was 2.5 games back at the time.

They finished the season 5.5 back.
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Yep, Cruz was a literal quit job. Team in position for the post-season, and he chose to maximize his FA value instead - which didn't work anyway.
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Yeah, the Cruz thing reads like much of the anti-JD stuff that Galloway rambles on about (eg. Josh "quit" on the team).

Assuming no outside factors, was Daniels wrong that Cruz wasn't worth more? Sure... But so was every other MLB GM.

And that's assuming no outside factors... It's funny, people rag on Hamilton because he supposedly "quit" on the team in 2012...

2012 Hamilton Aug/Sept: 940+ OPS
2012 Cruz Aug/Sept: 800 OPS

Now if you want to talk about "quitting"... On August 5th Nelson Cruz accepted a suspension rather than appealing so that his value when he hit free agency at the end of that year would not be further diminished. Texas was 2.5 games back at the time.

They finished the season 5.5 back.

I was fine with Cruz not appealing. I believe if you are guilty of PEDs... take the punishment.

Having said that... I didn't know at the time, that 30% of MLB players were getting an exception to take PEDs, and I wasn't aware that A-Rod actually tested positive during his MVP season, and MLB gave him an exception.

Now? I'm like screw the testing... game the system and get what you can. Colon is back on the juice. Braun, Davis... I'm sure A-Rod is back on it. Teixeira... why doesn't MLB just maintain a box of drugs next to the buffet table in the locker room.
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Point is one player gets vilified for "quitting" because he slumped the last 4 games of the season (2 for 17) and made a very costly error.

Another player (who went a whopping 4 for 17 in those same last 4 games in '12) literally quit on the team and chose a suspension in 2013 just so he could maximize his free agency value (don't kid yourself it being about him "owning up to it" -- it was pretty widely reported he was trying to make the decision between helping the Rangers out in '13 or increasing his '14 FA value).

Also worth a note that in what would have been a World Series clinching game, the former went 3 for 6 with 3RBI and a homerun in the 10th that would have gone down as one of the biggest postseason homeruns in history. He also added an RBI in Game 7.

The latter? 1 for 10 with 1 RBI in Games 6/7... And a misplay in right-field that cost the Rangers the series.

Funny how an infectious smile and some local writers that have an axe to grind can turn the former into a villian and the latter into "a guy that JD let get away".
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If I remember correctly, at the time Cruz was suspended the league was threatening players who appealed their suspensions with greater punishment. Total BS for the league to do something like that; appeals are a right of players per the CBA. But it probably factored into Cruz's decision not to appeal.
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kinsler for fielder


Liked the trade then, and still do now. Let's see how it plays out. The unfortunate thing is the Profar injury.
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Fielder has a 800+ OPS, hardly "hemorrhaging" on that deal.
Fielder was brought in for power in the lineup. He has 1 HR thus far. I'm glad he's hitting for avg and is the only player hitting decent. However, he's not living up to his contract at this point.

Ignoring that "not living up to" is a far cry from "hemorrhaging", assuming Fielder isn't broken his contract is very much trade-able... Probably one of the few trade-able contracts on the team.
The immediate problem with Fielder isn't Fielder's fault, but Jeff Banister's fault. His lineups are failing to match form with spot.

Banister clearly knows how his players careers have looked like, but he seems to be ignoring how their season is looking like.

Fielder isn't playing like a 3 hole hitter. He's hitting more like a 2 hole hitter. Beltre isn't hitting like a 4 hole hitter, he's hitting more like a 5 hole hitter. Blanks isn't hitting like a 5 hole hitter, he's hitting more like a 3 hole hitter.

Requiring two guys to get on base for Fielder and Blanks, who are hitting 100+ points better than anyone else on the team, to both hit in the first inning is surely going to cost the Rangers some runs if it hasn't already.

I'm pretty sure last night Fielder and Blanks hit in the same inning one time out of four trips through the order. That's outrageous.

Will Blanks keep this up? No, but you've got to play the hot hand.
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And damn it, it happened again...Adrian Beltre has hit 50 ground balls already this season.

That's among the highest 40 totals in all of MLB.

That's just asking for double play balls with fatass Fielder in front of him.
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Fielder is playing at an all star level so far. He crushed a couple of balls last night. Hope he stays healthy.
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Shin Soo Choo's 14 game hitting streak ended last night.
Fenrir
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Some people are way too worried about the lineup order.
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