http://m.mlb.com/news/article/141483402/dyk-facts-from-carlos-correas-1st-50-games

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Correa is doing things that baseball hasn't seen in a century. I think it's at least somewhat deserved.

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What would a few of those things? Correa is a fantastic young player, I'm just trying to understand your statement.

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A 20 year old shortstop who is this good defensively and offensively?

A-Rod in 1996

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Correa is doing things that baseball hasn't seen in a century. I think it's at least somewhat deserved.

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What would a few of those things? Correa is a fantastic young player, I'm just trying to understand your statement.

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read here:

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/141483402/dyk-facts-from-carlos-correas-1st-50-games

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That link doesn't really support your cause. Only 2, maybe 3 hall of fame guys that he is being compared to through his first 50 games, which was mhaydens point (I think). Granted, he's only 20 (unlike those other guys), but let's see what the numbers look like after 100 games...

I think he'll be great

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It's interesting that on the Odor thread, Astros posters continually try and point out that you can't compare him to Altuve because of the 700-something plate appearances Odor has for sample size.

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And you're pounding in the fact that Odor was a year younger when he debuted in the big leagues in the other thread...and then bringing up a 26 year old at an entirely different position on this thread.

(And the Odor thread is full of sample sizes issues, too)

Its all very interesting.

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That link doesn't really support your cause. Only 2, maybe 3 hall of fame guys that he is being compared to through his first 50 games, which was mhaydens point (I think). Granted, he's only 20 (unlike those other guys), but let's see what the numbers look like after 100 games...

I think he'll be great

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Until Correa gets years under his belt, its all going to be hope and expectation. We're still on the "Trout has begun his career better than..." thing and he's in his 4th plus season.

I too think Correa will be great. I hope he is. Its exciting just to be having all these conversations about which young guy is better.

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It's interesting that on the Odor thread, Astros posters continually try and point out that you can't compare him to Altuve because of the 700-something plate appearances Odor has for sample size.

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And you're pounding in the fact that Odor was a year younger when he debuted in the big leagues in the other thread...and then bringing up a 26 year old at an entirely different position on this thread.

(And the Odor thread is full of sample sizes issues, too)

Its all very interesting.

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Except that 700 plate appearances is a far more relevant sample size than 200, just as a 20 year old's first foray in the big leagues is likely going to be more difficult than a 21 year old's, all other things being equal.

As for the Shane Spencer post, it was relevant in the case of 50 game sample sizes not being very definitive.

I think we both agree that Correa shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Trout until he's done something special for at least a full season -- but as I think we've all seen on the A&M Hoops and Rangers threads we could have the exact same opinion on something and you'd still try and and refute mine.

Carlos Correa and like 5 or 6 other guys ARE going to be mentioned in the same breath as Mike Trout anytime you're discussing promising young MLB players. It'll probably go away soon though, so you can rest easy, once Trout is not considered young anymore.

I mean, no one is saying he isn't off to a nice start, but it's still just a start and not even a full season. So, NO, you can't compare part of one season to multiple seasons played at a higher level.

That Correa had a small sample size isn't completely why I thought it was a poor comparison. Although, yes, it is quite small. Its more that Trout wasn't very good at the start that they were comparing.

Anyways, its not that I'm disagreeing about Trout and Correa, its that the Spencer thing was stupid and I'm trying to make a point about inconsistencies because you brought it up.

If you're going to sit here and tell us Odor's impressive because he's doing at age 20 what Altuve did at age 21, I don't see how you can seriously compare a 26 year old with 8 years in the minor leagues to a 20 year old with less than 4 years in the minor leagues and say Correa doesn't deserve the excitement. You just can't do that.

No one is saying Correa should be in the Hall of Fame, only that he's young and performing quite well for being so young. So far, agreed---yes, I want to see him do it over a much longer period of time before he regularly gets brought along with Trout.

(Odor or Correa's potential 700 PAs really doesn't do much for me either, to be honest. Its exciting but hardly "definitive", either. It still pales in comparison to Altuve and Trout's 2700 PAs each.)


p.s. Just to be clear, the Spencer 40 game sample is over 2 seasons. He had a 1.325 OPS in 73 PAs over 27 games in 1998 and then had a .599 OPS over 40 PAs and 13 games in 1999.

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I mean, no one is saying he isn't off to a nice start, but it's still just a start and not even a full season. So, NO, you can't compare part of one season to multiple seasons played at a higher level.

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What about someone who's played just a handful of season vs someone who has done it over 15-20 years?

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I mean, no one is saying he isn't off to a nice start, but it's still just a start and not even a full season. So, NO, you can't compare part of one season to multiple seasons played at a higher level.

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What about someone who's played just a handful of season vs someone who has done it over 15-20 years?

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Mike Trout still has sample size issues and people shouldn't be saying he has a Hall of Fame spot wrapped up already were he to vanish off the face of the earth tonight.

Correa is a great young player, but Trout is special. I'm not even sure a Brice Harper kind of guy deserves mention alongside Trout. He's just that special.

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Correa was tossed into the discussion in terms of being one of the best young players, not in terms of being one of the best players in the game or even being as good as Trout.

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Yeah, I don't think anyone was trying to call Correa greatness quite yet.

Just that he's one of the best young players. He's certainly still what I'd consider a prospect, though.

This is a weird thread. Everyone's mad at each other and I'm not sure what anyone is actually trying to say. At least we might have something of a real Rangers-Astros rivalry on our hands- that's gotta be good for the game, right?

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Maybe these two will help yall understand what my post that got this whole thing side tracked was about.

Solid page and a 1/2 of complete thread hack though

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That Correa had a small sample size isn't completely why I thought it was a poor comparison. Although, yes, it is quite small. Its more that Trout wasn't very good at the start that they were comparing.

Anyways, its not that I'm disagreeing about Trout and Correa, its that the Spencer thing was stupid and I'm trying to make a point about inconsistencies because you brought it up.

If you're going to sit here and tell us Odor's impressive because he's doing at age 20 what Altuve did at age 21, I don't see how you can seriously compare a 26 year old with 8 years in the minor leagues to a 20 year old with less than 4 years in the minor leagues and say Correa doesn't deserve the excitement. You just can't do that.

No one is saying Correa should be in the Hall of Fame, only that he's young and performing quite well for being so young. So far, agreed---yes, I want to see him do it over a much longer period of time before he regularly gets brought along with Trout.

(Odor or Correa's potential 700 PAs really doesn't do much for me either, to be honest. Its exciting but hardly "definitive", either. It still pales in comparison to Altuve and Trout's 2700 PAs each.)


p.s. Just to be clear, the Spencer 40 game sample is over 2 seasons. He had a 1.325 OPS in 73 PAs over 27 games in 1998 and then had a .599 OPS over 40 PAs and 13 games in 1999.

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So basically the gist of it is you mistakenly thought my post was comparing Correa to Shane Spencer, when it was actually posted in reference to small sample sizes to start a major league career.

Understandable mistake.

This thread sucks now.

I think what set this debate off was the use of the phrase "to a lesser extent, Correa." That rubbed some people the wrong way because it felt like Correa was brought up in the conversation just so someone could say that he wasn't as good as Mike Trout. Seems pointless to almost irrelevantly bring up Correa and say he isn't as good as someone who's been in the league around 4 more years longer than he has.

But that's just like, my opinion, man.

Or, the other side of the convo, why even mention someone who hasnt even played a whole season in the same discussion as Mike Trout in the context of this thread.

I mentioned them as young stars. Good grief. Trout is a stud that is undeniable. Correa is a budding star. The game needs young players like them.

That was all I was saying

End this already.

And that's the whole point...I'm not sure you can be a star (or budding star) after 50 games...

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And that's the whole point...I'm not sure you can be a star (or budding star) after 50 games...

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well then yall keep your head in the sand as almost every writer/analyst has called Correa the best if not one of the best SS in the league this year.

Good lord y'all are ridiculous.

Correa passes the eyeball test

one thing is for certain:

Trout will still be considered "young" by idiot media 10 years from now.

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And that's the whole point...I'm not sure you can be a star (or budding star) after 50 games...

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What about 100 games?

in this thread, I learned that the extent to which rangers fans will go to try and diminish the awesomeness of correa knows. no. bounds.

is it fear?
is it jealousy?
probably both...

Astro bros, you guys are arguing with a bunch of Rangers fans who claim Odor will be the worlds best 2nd baseman based solely on the fact that they want him to be.

If a franchise would know about irrelevancy, it would be the Rangers.