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Agreed. Sano will get some votes too.

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At what point do you lose votes for not playing enough games. He's at only at 67 now.

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No idea. You'd have to ask the voters that. I don't think Sano wins, or even comes close to winning, but he will get some votes.

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Agreed. Sano will get some votes too.

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At what point do you lose votes for not playing enough games. He's at only at 67 now.

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No idea. You'd have to ask the voters that. I don't think Sano wins, or even comes close to winning, but he will get some votes.

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I think he does too. If he played more, I would give him the award.

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Was bored and thinking about the various postseason awards.

AL MVP: Donaldson
AL Cy Young: Keuchel
AL ROY: Correa
AL Manager of Year: Gibbons

NL MVP: Harper
NL Cy Young: Grienke
NL ROY: Bryant
NL Manager of Year: Collins

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Bannister had more to deal with then any other manager in the running but not surprised some ignorant Houston homer can't be realistic.

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Keuchel for Cy Young!

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Does it really count when your country is pretty much north of where the Mississippi starts?

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Well, Toronto is on the 43.42 Parallel Latitude.

The Mississippi's origin is at Lake Itasca City in Minnesota which sits at the 47.22 Parallel.

So Toronto is significantly south of the start of the Mississippi River.

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Does it really count when your country is pretty much north of where the Mississippi starts?

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Well, Toronto is on the 43.42 Parallel Latitude.

The Mississippi's origin is at Lake Itasca City in Minnesota which sits at the 47.22 Parallel.

So Toronto is significantly south of the start of the Mississippi River.

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What percentage of Canada is north of 47.22? I'm not sure your reading what I said correctly.

Yall are arguing about the most asinine of asinine things.

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Yall are arguing about the most asinine of asinine things.

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isn't this Texags?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13788288/handing-my-season-ending-mlb-awards

Surprised by the AL MOY choice. Stark has it as:
1) Hinch
2) Banister
3) Molitor
4) Yost
5) Girardi

No Gibbons? Looking at the astros thread, a chunk of them want Hinch gone. Rangers had bigger improvement from last season to this season. Rangers ahead of astros, catching them with red-hot play and an epic astros collapse. No team lost more to injuries than the Rangers, including their ace and bulk of the rotation for most of the season. I think Hinch finishes 3rd in the voting behind Banister and Gibbons.

Hinch in NO WAY deserves the award and I'm a diehard Astros fan

DALLAS VS DAVID

ERA: 2.48 vs 2.45
W-L: 20-8 vs 18-5
Complete Games: 3 vs 3
Shut Outs: 2 vs 1
Ks: 216 vs 225
WAR: 7.2 vs 5.9
WHIP: 1.017 vs 1.086
IP: 232 vs 220.1

Final regular season numbers. To me Dallas locked it up last night with win #20.

An epic collapse was the Rangers in 2012. If you actually followed the Astros all season, you'd know that they're a streaky team that struggles on the road.

In June, the Astros lost seven in a row to fall to seven games above .500. In July, the Astros lost eight of nine, including six in a row, to fall to seven games above .500. In August, the Astros lost seven of eight to fall to eight games above .500. In September, the Astros lost nine of eleven to fall to six games above .500. We're currently eleven games over .500.

During one of those slides, the Angels took first for awhile. During September, the Rangers took first. The Astros have pretty much been the same team all year. There's been no epic collapse. The Rangers and Angels finally started to play good baseball.

There have been several on the Astros thread beating their anti-Hinch drum all season. Most of it is largely unwarranted and could be applied to almost any manager in baseball, but the September slide had the drums beating louder and gaining followers.

Despite the vocal anti-Hinch Astros fans, I think he's absolutely deserving of MOTY. Very few expected the Astros to finish above .500, yet we're currently at eleven games over and have clinched at least a playoff game for the wildcard. We have a very odd makeup on this team in that we lead the AL in HRs, SBs, and Ks. Unlike the Blue Jays who also boast a high team BA to help score runs, the Astros are very dependent on power, which has contributed to the losing streaks and road struggles.

This team had numerous chances to fold this year, yet they keep plugging along. And since MOTY is typically more of a team award anyway, a great case can be made for Hinch based on what the Astros have achieved on the heels of a historic futility steak. I'm not saying he's the only candidate or even the most deserving, but definitely should be top three.

Bannister took the worst team in baseball and turned them into a playoff team in his FIRST season, without having his ace for the year, and without having his #2, #3 and #4 pitchers for most of the year, and several other players missing a ton of games. At this point, AL manager of the year isn't even a discussion.

Bannister deserves it. Or the Toronto guy

The Rangers were only one of the worst teams in baseball because they were ravaged by injuries in 2014. Yes, you were without your ace this year, but you picked up another at the deadline and bolstered an atrocious bullpen. I'd credit the Rangers season more to Josh Daniels than Bannister.

But like I said, the MOTY award is a team award. The manager wins it, but the team and GM often play a huge role. Bannister is definitely near the top of the list because of the Ranger's season, but it's not like he or any other manager had the magic touch to turn bad teams good.

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Surprised by the AL MOY choice. Stark has it as:
1) Hinch
2) Banister
3) Molitor
4) Yost
5) Girardi

No Gibbons? Looking at the astros thread, a chunk of them want Hinch gone. Rangers had bigger improvement from last season to this season. Rangers ahead of astros, catching them with red-hot play and an epic astros collapse. No team lost more to injuries than the Rangers, including their ace and bulk of the rotation for most of the season. I think Hinch finishes 3rd in the voting behind Banister and Gibbons.

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I really don't think you know what an epic collapse is. 2012 Rangers were an epic collapse. 2004 ALCS was an epic collapse. 2007 and 2008 Mets were a bigger collapse than this. The Astros have played streaky all year long, but this by no means was an epic collapse.

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I know Correa gets all the talk around here, but I'm not sure he's the lock for ROY some people think. Lindor is right there too.

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I just checked their final stats. Didn't realize how close they were.

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I know Correa gets all the talk around here, but I'm not sure he's the lock for ROY some people think. Lindor is right there too.

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I just checked their final stats. Didn't realize how close they were.

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They're not final and Carlos is close, but clearly better than Lindor. However Sano had a monster half year.

when were the votes due?

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I really don't think you know what an epic collapse is. 2012 Rangers were an epic collapse. 2004 ALCS was an epic collapse. 2007 and 2008 Mets were a bigger collapse than this. The Astros have played streaky all year long, but this by no means was an epic collapse.

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Blowing an 8 game lead after August 1st is an epic collapse. I believe I read that this is only the 5th time a team has held an 8+ game lead after August 1st, then blown that lead. Yes, this was an epic collapse. It's fine though. The Astros bounced back nicely in the last week to salvage a playoff spot.

Damn, dude. Do you at least charge the Astros rent for the space they occupy in your head?

Huh? I was responding to a comment directed at me. I hadn't seen it till today, so I replied.

The Astros got to ten games over .500 on May 2. Since then, they were never higher than fourteen games over and never lower than six games over and finished at ten games over. There were lots of ebbs and flows, due primarily to success at home and struggles on the road, and because of that, they were a .500 team for most of the season.

They were overtaken by the Rangers because the Rangers were winning at a greater rate. The Astros never deviated much from the win rate they had for the last five months of the season. They didn't collapse. They were just caught by a team that got hot.

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From Sept 1 thru the end of the 4-game series in Arlington when they were passed, the Astros were 4-11. When they were desperately trying to hold off the Rangers in the most crucial month of the season, they went 4-11. Rangers went 11-5 in that stretch. That's making up 6.5 games over a 15/16 game period. They collapsed. Or choked. Whatever you want to call it. It wasn't simply one team getting hot. The Astros fell apart for the first 3 weeks of September, when it mattered most.

Rent payment's due, RetiredAg.

Or you could just take your obsession to the smack talk thread - you know, keep the discussion on awards to somewhat relating to awards.

My bad. I didn't realize responding to a comment that was directed at me was against the rules here.

BTW, it was an Astros fan that responded to my awards-related post with something that had nothing to do with awards. If you have an issue, take it up with him.

The Astros fell apart for significant stretches in June (14 to 7 games over), July (14 to 7 games over), August (14 to 8 games over), and September (13-6 games over). There was no regression from the norm in September, so how could it be considered a collapse? If you count last night's win, the Astros are now back to 11 games over .500 after falling to 6 games over in September. It's right in line with the ebbs and flows from the last four months of the season.

Consider this:

May 7: 9 games over
June 7: 10 games over
July 7: 12 games over
August 7: 11 games over
September 7: 12 games over
October 7: 11 games over

You can call it a collapse if you want, but in that case, the Astros collapsed four different times this season, twice losing the division lead, but they rebounded each time.

If anything, the Astros showed a lot of mental toughness in September. Consider the aberrations of being 1-8 in one-run games, having a season low monthly average for balls in play, and a season high monthly average for balls in play against. Three things that point to sheer bad luck. Yet the Astros rebounded to their norm and are still playing. An accomplishment not shared by most teams that "collapse."

AL MVP: Donaldson
AL CY: Keuchel
AL ROY: Correa
AL MOY: Bannister

NL MVP: Harper
NL CY: Grienke
NL ROY: Bryant
NL MOY: Madden

This is what SHOULD happen.

Who should win the NL Cy Young?

Greinke
222 IP
200 Ks
0.84 WHIP
9.3 WAR
19 -3

Arrieta
229 IP
236 Ks
0.86 WHIP
8.6 WAR
22 - 6

Very close but given the historic 2nd half and no hitter, I think Arrieta should take it.

Very close. I say Greinke.

Arrieta.... What he has done since the ASB is legendary