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We got called out for that 2 weeks ago.

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Yep. Definitely don't want to get the calls right.

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It would be nice if using replay actually resulted in the right calls.

BTW, this isn't just about the Astros, although the Astros fans in my office even conceded that the guy was safe. It has been clear all season that the replay system is broken. Mets/Dodgers is a great example, but this has been a problem all season.

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Not watching but listening. Runner came up off the bag with tag still applied. Out.

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Yep. Definitely don't want to get the calls right.

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It would be nice if using replay actually resulted in the right calls.

BTW, this isn't just about the Astros, although the Astros fans in my office even conceded that the guy was safe. It has been clear all season that the replay system is broken. Mets/Dodgers is a great example, but this has been a problem all season.

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Not watching but listening. Runner came up off the bag with tag still applied. Out.

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From what I've seen, when he came off the bag for a split second, the glove was not on the runner.

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Yep. Definitely don't want to get the calls right.

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It would be nice if using replay actually resulted in the right calls.

BTW, this isn't just about the Astros, although the Astros fans in my office even conceded that the guy was safe. It has been clear all season that the replay system is broken. Mets/Dodgers is a great example, but this has been a problem all season.

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Not watching but listening. Runner came up off the bag with tag still applied. Out.

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From what I've seen, when he came off the bag for a split second, the glove was not on the runner.

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Apparently New York didn't see the same thing you saw

They had a clear shot on TV

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Yep. Definitely don't want to get the calls right.

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It would be nice if using replay actually resulted in the right calls.

BTW, this isn't just about the Astros, although the Astros fans in my office even conceded that the guy was safe. It has been clear all season that the replay system is broken. Mets/Dodgers is a great example, but this has been a problem all season.

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Not watching but listening. Runner came up off the bag with tag still applied. Out.

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From what I've seen, when he came off the bag for a split second, the glove was not on the runner.

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Apparently New York didn't see the same thing you saw

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Apparently New York didn't see what everyone else saw in the Mets/Dodgers game either. You know, sometimes they get it wrong. It's far too common with MLB replay to get it wrong. The system is broken. I get it. You are an Astros fan so you are bringing a biased perspective to this, but it's not a slight on the Astros to say they benefited from a bad call.

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They had a clear shot on TV

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Clear shot of his wrist tagging him, not the glove. If we are going to nit pick every close play the glove/ball must tag him.

Personally I don't think it should be used on every bang bang play. Catches in the outfield and homeruns maybe? I don't know but it needs to be limited. Baseball is slow enough without all of these delays looking at calls that are too close to ever really know one way or the other.

The glove is not touching him, the wrist is. Good thing we have instant replay.

The system needs some tweaking. There's no argument there.

However, to say it needs to be banned is a bit of a knee jerk overreaction that makes you sound ignorant and uniformed.

I think there needs to be some more specific guidance on what you can use it on. Whether a runner comes off the bag shouldn't be one of them. It should only be used to determine if a runner was tagged prior to him touching the base.

When they showed the replay on the jumbotron at Minute Maid, they showed an angle that clearly showed the glove touching him (not just his wrist) when he was off the bag. I have not been able to find that angle online. There were a few initial shots they showed in the stadium that were inconclusive, but they had at least one clear view of it.

You'll have to forgive RetiredAg. The Astros are living in his head and it is affecting his posting.

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You'll have to forgive RetiredAg. The Astros are living in his head and it is affecting his posting.

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How so? My issue w/ instant replay existed long before this call, and I didn't even start the thread. I made it clear that I see this as a problem that's existed all season. We saw how poor the process was in the NYM/LAD game as well. I'd disagree with this call if it were the Rangers that benefited from it as well.

Or are you talking about that other thread where I responded to a comment directed at me?

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The glove is not touching him, the wrist is. Good thing we have instant replay.

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And I'm not sure how you say the glove isn't touching him when the red label on the glove is touching him.

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This. The bottom of his glove is touching the dude's butt.

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The glove is not touching him, the wrist is. Good thing we have instant replay.

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The top of the glove IS touching him though...or does that part of the glove not count in your mind?

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Agree with OP. I hate instant replay. That call yesterday was bull****. Really? A hair off the base? Give me a break. Do we really want to split hairs on calls like that?

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Exactly. It's not what the spirit of the rule is. It's like using replay to rule a guy safe because the SS was in the neighborhood of 2nd while turning two.

Use replay on fair/foul balls and homeruns. Maybe on a very few limited plays elsewhere, but this "he was a hair off the bag as he was sliding full speed" isn't what instant replay should be used for.

so he was out...glad we cleared that up.

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so he was out...glad we cleared that up.

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No, I'd still call him safe if I were the one in NYC making the call. The baseball gods have a way of balancing that stuff out though, as we saw.

you can argue all you want about whether they should be able to review plays or not, but if they are reviewable, you have to look at them. He came off the bag and had a glove on him.

As far as the baseball gods...I think they took more than they gave on that deal

It's pretty clear from the picture that the top of the glove is touching him while he's off the base. The only way to say that he isn't being touched by the glove is to say that the glove isn't really the glove.

And lol @ the baseball gods.

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The glove is not touching him, the wrist is. Good thing we have instant replay.

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Way to prove yourself wrong.

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The glove is not touching him, the wrist is. Good thing we have instant replay.

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Way to prove yourself wrong.

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So you can without a doubt determine his glove is touching him and it is not a shadow as well as definitely state that a portion of the right side his cleat is not touching the base. Remember he was called safe, so they had to have enough proof to overturn a call.

Baseball gods proved that call was wrong, in a big way.

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The glove is not touching him, the wrist is. Good thing we have instant replay.

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Way to prove yourself wrong.

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So you can without a doubt determine his glove is touching him YES and it is not a shadow YES as well as definitely state that a portion of the right side his cleat is not touching the base YES. Remember he was called safe, so they had to have enough proof to overturn a call. There it is in the picture

Baseball gods proved that call was wrong, in a big way. The Astros and their sheety BP collapsing had nothing to with this call and neither did the baseball gods.

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The glove is not touching him, the wrist is. Good thing we have instant replay.

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Way to prove yourself wrong.

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So you can without a doubt determine his glove is touching him and it is not a shadow as well as definitely state that a portion of the right side his cleat is not touching the base. Remember he was called safe, so they had to have enough proof to overturn a call.

Baseball gods proved that call was wrong, in a big way.

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I don't know what's weirder to me...the fact that even after watching video and picture evidence you can't see that he was obviously off the bag with the glove touching, or the fact that you think the bullpen collapse had something to do with "baseball gods" proving that the call was wrong.

I'll be crazy and say take a step farther. Lets call balls and strike with the "k zone" and let the home plate umpire decide foul balls, plays at the plate, etc.

I have no doubt that instant replay helps more than it hurts. It's a net plus. Maybe we can improve it, but it's still a net plus.

The time it takes has not been a burden on the game, at least in my opinion based on what I have seen.

I don't know team loyalties here, but currently plays have been overturned 48% of the time they've been reviewed. That means on close plays the umps were about as accurate as a coin flip, and is a pretty good case for having replay.

The Astros are 50/50 on their calls this year, and were 63% successful in challenging plays last season. I'm guessing they like it.

MLB games dropped 6 minutes this year to 2:56, and dropped even more in some AAA leagues to where some averages were 2:45. There are plenty of culprits for longer games (which were addressed) without having to sacrifice so many calls to umps who had no idea what just happened.