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This was the question asked:

Should your employer have so much control over your freedom to express your views?

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ESPN hasn't stopped Curt from saying a damn thing. They have stopped paying him.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences

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And there shouldn't be any consequences at all for thinking like the majority of normal people either you nitwit.

You created a sock to post this? Why not use your regular username?

Not surprising really. It is the world we live in now thanks to 100 years of progressivism and demonizing of traditional values.

"**** Jesus" gets a simple suspension. Saying a man should piss in a men's restroom gets you fired.

Granted, the biggest factor is the reaction of the audience. While most people, even those that are not devout Christian, take major issue with somebody saying "**** Jesus", they wont spend hours out of their day making phone calls or posts on social media like the uber progressive left will at the drop of a hat with any perceived slight to a protected class that they have worked long and hard to make completely segregated so that they can claim racism or whatever if you dont agree with them 100% on every issue.

He got fired because he ignored the warning from his company.

If he didn't like the terms he could have quit.

Honestly what he said isn't really relevant

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He got fired because he ignored the warning from his company.

If he didn't like the terms he could have quit.

Honestly what he said isn't really relevant

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This is just too simple for people who have the same opinion as Curt. You can't just ignore multiple warnings and suspensions from your employer. If I was in the public eye and posted that on my social media, I would be fired by my employee as well.

Espn has the right to do what they did.

At the same time, I have to right to comsider them moronic, pandering, hypocritical asshats for firing Schilling while doing business in Saudi, Pakistan, etc.

Put your money where your mouth is, Social Justice ESPN. You want to make a real impact on lives? You don't do it by firing Curt Schilling. That's the pandering coward's way out. You do it by taking a real stand against actual hate and crime against humanity.

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ESPN hasn't stopped Curt from saying a damn thing. They have stopped paying him.

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Ding ding ding.


The decision makers are ESPN have greater responsibilities than worrying about Curt Schilling. If in their view Curt is interfering with the business, they don't only have the right to stop paying him, they probably should stop paying him. To not fire something hurting the larger business has the potential to hurt many more folks than Curt Schilling.

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that platform wasn't ESPN's, so your argument is completely flawed.

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Tiger Woods lost sponsors because he cheated on his wife. Michael Phelps lost sponsors when he got caught doing drugs.

Private businesses--hell, even government employers under full First Amendment scrutiny--can make employment decisions based on what you say and do when you're not at work.

That's reality and that's business. People don't forget Curt Schilling is associated with ESPN when they read his Facebook when he talks about the transgendered just like they didn't forget he worked for ESPN when they read his Twitter and his thoughts on Muslims.

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If an employee embarrasses his employer and puts the bottom line at risk, then the employer is well within his right to terminate the employee.

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I don't think the discussion is about rights but more about ethics and double standards.

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Maybe not you or any particular person, but I'm quite certain not everyone in this thread could look me in the eyes and with a straight face tell me they'd be up in arms if ESPN fired Curt Schilling for being pro-transgendered or pro-Muslim.

When one of the talking points is "sports don't need trannies", to take an extreme example, the gig is up and it's every bit as hypocritical to be calling out ESPN for being hypocritical.

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ESPN hasn't stopped Curt from saying a damn thing. They have stopped paying him.

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And there shouldn't be any consequences at all for thinking like the majority of normal people either you nitwit.

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1) I'm not sure the majority shares Curt Schilling's views on this issue or the earlier issue about Islam.

2) That issue If you believe the majority is wrong, you absolutely have the right to do something about it within your power. Sometimes the majority gets something completely and utterly wrong.

3) Do you consider yourself conservative/conservative-leaning? Pushing majority rules would seem to go against conservative principals if you give it a minute of thought.

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The double standard is that he would not have faced consequence if he took the opposite stance...

**** ESPN... That network is a POS

We need an alternative for live broadcasts

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What? Did you even think before writing that?

That's not a double standard at all. That's taking a position on an issue.

Double standards would be treating another commentator differently for saying and sling try same things Curt Schilling has done.

I don't think Fox News is a hypocritical, double standard organization because they take conservative viewpoints? Do you you?

Taking a position /=/ double standard.

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Do you think he would have been fired for retweeting something pro-transvestite?
The leftist shouldn't have a monopoly on free speech.

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Pretty much the only relevance the first amendment has to ESPN is that as a private organization, they're well within their rights to have a viewpoint that is pro-transgendered.

If you think they have a monopoly and shouldn't have that monopoly, then you should start a sports network that is rightist.

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Do you think he would have been fired for retweeting something pro-transvestite?
The leftist shouldn't have a monopoly on free speech.

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Maybe it's more about tolerance than being pro or con. Personally, I don't give a **** and that does not make me pro-trans.

Schilling is paid to talk about baseball. That's it. The school district that I work for, cautions us frequently that what we say on social media and any website material that we post from - that can be deemed offensive or intolerant could be grounds for disciplinary action. Right or wrong, these days it's best to think twice about the consequences before you open your mouth or press send.

If that's the standard then I know a bunch of people that should be fired.

Lucky most of my crowd can handle contrary opinions unlike most of America now.

Keep in mind, this is the same outfit that fired Limbaugh and tried to paint him as a racist.

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If that's the standard then I know a bunch of people that should be fired.

Lucky most of my crowd can handle contrary opinions unlike most of America now.

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School districts threaten disciplinary action for intolerance because its their job to provide a service, under one roof, to just about every kid from about every cross-section of the population of the district's particular community.

When you're serving the entire population, surely you can see why a school district would push their employees away from making comments intolerant of certain segments of the population.


Similarly, its ESPN's business and mission to provide broadcasting to all segments of the population, and thus, it shouldn't be so hard to understand why they don't want Rush Limbaugh*** or Curt Schilling*** around.


*** Wouldn't a better example of ESPN "oversensitivity" be Anthony Federico or because Federico wasn't pushing conservative values y'all don't care he was fired?

It sucks but he's a public figure. It's damned near impossible to separate him from his employer in that regard. Right or wrong, he caused problems more than once for them with his stance on things. It's not much different from how teachers are treated with regards to social media. They can get in trouble in a hurry for pretty innocuous things.

That tweet didn't cost them jack ****.

Schilling is an idiot and ESPN sucks.

If Schilling was worth keeping, they would have kept him.

The tweet likely didn't put too much in their negative column, but his contributions to ESPN likely weren't bringing to much in the positive column either.

This is the same guy that took offense to a player trying to win a baseball game for his team over allowing for himself to accomplish a personal achievement.

He's a smug, hypocritical blowhard that loves to hear himself talk and then if he causes controversy retreats back to "hey it's just my opinion man! opinions are like *******s!". Doing that in a time when ESPN is already looking to make cuts? Not smart.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if Curt Schilling was a joy to work with at ESPN then they would have kept him around. He wasn't, so they didn't.

the ESPN dummies hired Rush knowing full well that he was controversial. And he delivered as advertised

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#1 - The employer sets the conditions of his employment. Not the employee.
#2 - He violated it again and again.
#3 - Freedom of speech means that he won't get prosecuted for it. (He won't be).
#4 - Employees don't get to set their employers public agendas (just because millennials think they can, doesn't mean they can).
#5 - Schilling is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
#6 - There are many, many others who also believe that because they have an OPINION on a subject, they need to express it as a fact.
#7 - There were no consequences for thinking (although there is room for argument whether Schilling has the capacity for actual thought). There were consequences for publicizing his opinions after he'd been instructed no to.

Break the rules, pay the price. If you don't like the rules, don't work there or quit. Nobody forced him to sign a contract. He negotiated his baseball contracts for years. Whether he did for ESPN or not, I don't know.

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the ESPN dummies hired Rush knowing full well that he was controversial. And he delivered as advertised

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He never should have been hired in the first place, and the whole thing was kind of unfortunate in that it never should have happened.

Looking back at some of the initial reaction, you can see that at least some elements within ESPN supported Limbaugh. http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1627887

Don't most large companies have social media policies these days anyway? You are aware of it.

Curt Schilling wasn't fired for having or expressing conservative views. He was fired for being an obnoxious idiot. If he was posting thoughtful political commentary with the same political leaning on his Facebook it wouldn't be an issue. The memes and things he was posting were so outrageously dumb that they could've passed for satire poking fun at conservatives. That's a bad look for ESPN and they gave him a TON of chances to cut it out before they finally let him go.

I wonder how many of those upset at Schilling being fired turn around and applaud college coaches for yanking scholarship offers because a recruit tweets something stupid or offensive? Whenever I see articles like that, coaches are widely praised, and those kids don't even get a warning. Schilling received multiple warnings about the garbage he posts. He's ignored them repeatedly, and is now facing the consequences of violating the terms of his employment.

If he wants a real discussion on these issues, great. But he's sharing mindless garbage that you see in email forwards.