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That his most memorable moment is dropping an F bomb at Fenway when someone let him have a microphone?

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I thought that was f***ing badass.

And I forgot DA94's favorite example of PROOF:

I used a laughing/crying icon. Therefore YOU ARE WRONG!

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That his most memorable moment is dropping an F bomb at Fenway when someone let him have a microphone?

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I thought that was f***ing badass.

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Did you hear that he is going to recreate that scene for a movie starring Mark Wahlberg? I think it is called Patriots but I'm not certain.

DallasAg, there are players that have hit a home run every 30 at bats that have been caught using PEDs, there are mediocre minor leaguers that have been caught using PEDs.

Does that mean every mediocre player in the same minor league division used steroids?

Of course not. Your comparison just doesn't work.


I point to Barry Bonds and Babe Rth because they show something that is relevant.

We start by saying Babe Ruth didn't use PEDs, Barry Bonds did.

Babe Ruth had fairly even home run numbers over his career, got better at the start, was at its best mid career, trailed off towards the end. It makes sense, it seems natural.

Barry Bonds spiked in his mid 30s and started hitting home runs like he hadn't before. Does that seem natural? No, it doesn't.


It's not about showing how many home runs a guy hit over a career, it's identifying something within their own career trajectory that doesn't make sense. It's perfectly possible a guy can hit a lot of home runs without using PEDs, but it's unlikely a guy will suddenly start hitting many more than he ever did before when he's nearing 40 years old.

David Ortiz's career trajectory looks more like Babe Ruth, and less like Barry Bonds. Thus, simply because David Ortiz hit a lot of home runs doesn't mean he used steroids. Perhaps David Ortiz is just really good at hitting home runs, like Babe Ruth was.

This does not mean David Ortiz has not used PEDs, but nothing about his home run hitting means he necessarily did. Nothing sticks out saying "this guy used PEDs".

I'd suggest that, for most normal baseball fans (not Red Sox zealots), Ortiz's explosive temper is as memorable as his explosive bat, if not more so.

But, to echo what someone said earlier, he seems to get a pass on virtually everything.

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I'd suggest that, for most normal baseball fans (not Red Sox zealots), Ortiz's explosive temper is as memorable as his explosive bat, if not more so.

But, to echo what someone said earlier, he seems to get a pass on virtually everything.

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I'm a Cubs fan and I when I think of Papi I think of long HR's and that big smile of his. So many major leaguers have bad tempers that it doesn't really even phase me anymore unless it's something like that dewsher from the Pirates going all Apollo Creed on the Gatorade cooler after a post-season "brawl" against the Cubs.

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I'm a Cubs fan and I when I think of Papi I think of long HR's and that big smile of his. So many major leaguers have bad tempers that it doesn't really even phase me anymore unless it's something like that dewsher from the Pirates going all Apollo Creed on the Gatorade cooler after a post-season "brawl" against the Cubs.

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Rangers fan here, and I'm the same. I never really noticed him having a worse temper than your average MLB player. I've never really been an Ortiz fan, but that's mostly because I'm not a fan of DH-only type of players. But I don't have an issue with the guy. He hits and seems to have a big smile on his face most of the time.

I'm 36, have been to a handful of Red Sox games, and I can't pick out a single homer of his. I know he gets really mad about stupid stuff, though.

Apollo Creed on a Gatorade cooler = remarkable
Al Capone on a dugout telephone = not remarkable?

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Apollo Creed on a Gatorade cooler = remarkable
Al Capone on a dugout telephone = not remarkable?

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I remember that for two reasons. The main one is because the one happened against the Cubs in the playoffs. Two, he wasn't just punching the cooler. He was straight up boxing it like he was training for a title fight. It was so stupid. Grabbing a bat and hitting something in the dugout happens frequently. I can't remember anything quite so stupid as the boxing routine.

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I'd suggest that, for most normal baseball fans (not Red Sox zealots), Ortiz's explosive temper is as memorable as his explosive bat, if not more so.

But, to echo what someone said earlier, he seems to get a pass on virtually everything.

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Maybe for fans of other teams in the AL East who have tried to forget David Ortiz has been destroying their pitching staffs for years, yes, the temper is the most memorable thing.



I don't think he's a saint nor one of the best baseball players of all time, but I think he's darn good and think he's a generally good guy.

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I'd suggest that, for most normal baseball fans (not Red Sox zealots), Ortiz's explosive temper is as memorable as his explosive bat, if not more so.

But, to echo what someone said earlier, he seems to get a pass on virtually everything.

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I'd suggest that the you're definition of "normal" fan is limited to Yankee, Orioles and Rays. (Can't really include Canadian types as a "normal" fan.)

To the rest of the baseball fandom, Papi is known as a big guy, with a bigger heart, who smiles a lot; is good with children; laughs and then hits monster home runs in clutch moments! That is their view of him and you'll just have to accept that it may provide enough fuel to allow people to not judge him so harshly as you would like them to.

They may be generally aware of a dugout incident in Baltimore at the most, but it is certainly not the defining moment of his long career. Hell for the vast majority of "other" fans, they only seen him a handful of times (all star games, highlights and Playoff/World Series appearances. And those are FAR more memorable than a dugout phone.

Now on to the patriotic declaration: Who wouldn't want to shout out a - vinegar laced - defiant " EFF YOU" if they were handed the mic and as pissed off as he was! I know that I would have!

And I'll bet that those who saw it and, then replayed it, thanked him for not hiding his emotions at that moment.

something remarkable happened on that flight from Minneapolis to Boston.

this guy could not hit home runs in 5 seasons with the Twins playing in the Metrodome. The Metrodome.

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he gets a free pass on a lot of things since he plays for the Red Sox

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something remarkable happened on that flight from Minneapolis to Boston.

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Good point! He went to a lineup where he had protection in the order. A park that had a "Green Monster" to allow all field power which prevented pitchers to constantly pitch outside to him. The team had a well staffed coaching lineup to help him use all fields, take more pitches/walks and cut down the swing and miss chances!

Yeah. Good points and are seldom reminded! Thx!

And he hits HR 513 today. Puts him at #22 all time.

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I'm 36, have been to a handful of Red Sox games, and I can't pick out a single homer of his. I know he gets really mad about stupid stuff, though.

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Game 4, 2004 ALCS

Papi hits a walk off double in the 11th!

If he keep up this season, he could finish his career with another ring and a MVP award to close out!

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something remarkable happened on that flight from Minneapolis to Boston.

this guy could not hit home runs in 5 seasons with the Twins playing in the Metrodome. The Metrodome.

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he gets a free pass on a lot of things since he plays for the Red Sox

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In the two seasons preceding his move to Boston, Ortiz hit 18 home runs in just 89 games and 20 home runs (and 32 doubles) n 125 games.

He had some pop. It's not like he was a singles hitter and all of a sudden became a power guy when he moved to Boston.

2 outs, with 1st base open, tie game, winning run at 2nd? Unless Ted Williams was on deck, Papi gets 4...and then I walk Williams too (please no jokes about his current strike zone).

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Papi hits a walk off double in the 11th!

If he keep up this season, he could finish his career with another ring and a MVP award to close out!

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Maybe if Altuve gets injured

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Maybe if Altuve gets injured

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I'd suggest that the you're definition of "normal" fan is limited to Yankee, Orioles and Rays. (Can't really include Canadian types as a "normal" fan.)

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When have I ever given anyone the impression that I consider Yankee fans normal?

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To the rest of the baseball fandom, Papi is known as a big guy, with a bigger heart, who smiles a lot; is good with children; laughs and then hits monster home runs in clutch moments! That is their view of him and you'll just have to accept that it may provide enough fuel to allow people to not judge him so harshly as you would like them to.

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And to follow it up by doing the same thing you imply I'm doing, projecting your own views on the entire population.

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They may be generally aware of a dugout incident in Baltimore at the most, but it is certainly not the defining moment of his long career. Hell for the vast majority of "other" fans, they only seen him a handful of times (all star games, highlights and Playoff/World Series appearances. And those are FAR more memorable than a dugout phone.

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Didn't say it was the defining moment. I think I implied the speech was.

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Now on to the patriotic declaration: Who wouldn't want to shout out a - vinegar laced - defiant " EFF YOU" if they were handed the mic and as pissed off as he was! I know that I would have!
And I'll bet that those who saw it and, then replayed it, thanked him for not hiding his emotions at that moment.

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I probably wouldn't have cursed. I'm not going to go through a list of my patriotic bona fides, but I'm simply more low key than Ortiz. I stopped hitting inanimate objects out of anger when I was 15 or so.

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I'm 36, have been to a handful of Red Sox games, and I can't pick out a single homer of his. I know he gets really mad about stupid stuff, though.

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Game 4, 2004 ALCS

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I honestly have no memory of that.