So do the Rangers get to keep all the money it will bring to the city of Arlington as well?

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So do the Rangers get to keep all the money it will bring to the city of Arlington as well?

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That'd be nice. It would probably increase my salary 10 fold

How much money does a sports team truly bring into a city? I think it's vastly over-estimated. You might stop and eat and drink near the stadium. However, take away the sports team and you likely would have spent that money on a different form of entertainmenylt.

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So long jet stream

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The jet stream has been gone for a few years now.

I was at the All Star game festivities there back in the 90's when field temps reached 137 degrees. Easily the worst heat I've ever experienced and I've worked in the Middle East.

Will the 2023 All-Star game be in Arlington? Wouldn't surprise me.

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How much money does a sports team truly bring into a city? I think it's vastly over-estimated. You might stop and eat and drink near the stadium. However, take away the sports team and you likely would have spent that money on a different form of entertainmenylt.

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Would you have driven to do that in Arlington if the Rangers weren't there? My guess is there are real numbers behind statements like that rather than supposition.

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How much money does a sports team truly bring into a city? I think it's vastly over-estimated. You might stop and eat and drink near the stadium. However, take away the sports team and you likely would have spent that money on a different form of entertainmenylt.

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How much money does a sports team truly bring into a city? I think it's vastly over-estimated. You might stop and eat and drink near the stadium. However, take away the sports team and you likely would have spent that money on a different form of entertainmenylt.

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Would you have driven to do that in Arlington if the Rangers weren't there? My guess is there are real numbers behind statements like that rather than supposition.

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I've read both arguments. But the most common thread was whether people would travel to that destination for the event. If so, then the gate revenue is complimented with food, hotels, taxis, bars, other vice related activities. But it also costs extra in security, police etc.

So in Arlington's case, when visitors go to Jerry World, do they stay in Arlington? If so, there is probably a net increase in total revenue to the community.

However, I don't see any reasonable scenario that consistently brings people in town for the Rangers, roof or no roof.

Further, I don't see a move to Dallas having either a positive or negative net change effect.

In many case, egos and civic pride have a lot more to do with the desire to keep the prestige than return on investment. And I'm not saying they are wrong for feeling that way if that is the prime motivator.

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How much money does a sports team truly bring into a city?.

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$8.4 trillion [/perryman group]

im assuming there is a beackstory or pop cultural reference that I'm missing?

Perfect description

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That was the group Baulor used that released the study making it sound like the economy of Texas would cease to exist if we left the Big XII.

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Arlington has a vision for what they want their town to be, and the taxpayers are making the decision on all of these commtiments. The Ballpark was paid off far abead of schedule. Cowboys stadium will be paid off far ahead of schedule. This likely will too.

I have zero problem with this. They've felt the payoff - what can be measured in $'s and what cannot - of having sports franchises in their town and are being proactive to keep them. While the benefit may be debatable, they've experienced it and want it to continue.

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However, I don't see any reasonable scenario that consistently brings people in town for the Rangers, roof or no roof.

Further, I don't see a move to Dallas having either a positive or negative net change effect.

In many case, egos and civic pride have a lot more to do with the desire to keep the prestige than return on investment. And I'm not saying they are wrong for feeling that way if that is the prime motivator.

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Of course you don't. No team has fans go to games except the Red Sox.

A large percentage of Rangers fans are a day trip away, regardless of the *****ing and moaning you hear.

However, as Davis said today... "The Rangers draw fans from 5 states - Louisiana, Oklahoma, North Texas, South Texas and West Texas." The Rangers draw lots of fans who drive hours for a game and stay the night in Arlington. They come from Mineral Wells, Waco, Shreveport... After the game they do a bit from the ballpark and people often tell why they are at the game. Many talk about being in town for the game.

In addition, Arlington attracts people with Six Flags. People will come in and go to Six Flags and stay another night for a Rangers game. Arlington is a destination spot for many people.

When we lived in Arlington ('80s), we loved the fact we could go to Rangers games, Six Flags and Wet-N-Wild (now Hurricane Harbor). Arlington was a town that was really early to the Suburban idea and the city had many visionaries to attracting residents. My mother lived in Arlington and talked of Six Flags when she was a kid.

In 1954, GM opened up an assembly plant in Arlington, and with it brought many people from Detroit. In 1961, Six Flags opened and in 1972 the Rangers moved to Arlington. DFW opened in 1974.

The population of Arlington grew as follows (based on US Census):
1940: 4,240
1950: 7,692
1960: 44,775
1970: 90,643
1980: 160,113
1990: 261,721
2000: 332,969
2010: 365,438

If there is some way to make it look exactly like the ballpark, but with a retractable roof...i might be down.

Just seems really unnecessary to me.

What are you? The mayor?

Hahahahahahaha! Bwahahahahahaha! More baseBALL size envy!

People aren't hopping on a plane. If they aren't booking flight to see a game in the heat, they aren't booking a flight to see a game in a dome either. That was my point. A new park isn't changing that.

And, right after that I also say that moving the team to Dallas won't change that. I further say that I understand why a town wants to keep its team even if it is not a positive revenue generator and I didn't say (nor even imply) that the team is a drag on taxpayers resources.

But I love that I am SO in your head! I find your inferiority complex amusing!

Crazy. Seems it was just yesterday that they were hyping the new Ballpark. That's what happens when you get old like me.

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If there is some way to make it look exactly like the ballpark, but with a retractable roof...i might be down.

Just seems really unnecessary to me.

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That's what they said the plan is during the press conference

I am very against indoor baseball, but teams should be able to build what they want.

I am 100% against tax payers not being able to at least vote on if they want to foot the bill for new stadiums.

Goes on the ballot in November for Arlington. I'm sure it will pass but you never know.

Do you think you will attend more games a year? Less? The same but spread out more?

I admit that I'm biased against indoor baseball. I'm also biased against extorting taxpayers when they just built a new field 20 yeas ago.

I also don't think that the ONLY answer is a billion dollar solution.

Are you actually of the opinion that an indoor stadium won't draw more fans?

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If you think an indoor stadium is not going to attract more fans then you really have no business discussing things in this thread.

That part is an absolute no-brainer.

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do you think it is a billion dollar difference? If so then it is a no brainer. Many aren't convinced.

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Are you actually of the opinion that an indoor stadium won't draw more fans?

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I see your edit and no I'm not of that exact opinion. I was discussing in frame of the various articles for and against public financing of stadiums. The common thread was additional revenue that would not have been spent otherwise.

So does a dome do this or not? Would it bring in enough travel dollars to justify tearing down a relatively new and fully functional and quite asthetivally pleasing field? And, is this money that would not have been spent there otherwise vs just shifting entertainment dollars from a local movie theater or water park to the ball park?

Personally, I'm not convinced. Jerry world absolutely fits that bill.

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Are you actually of the opinion that an indoor stadium won't draw more fans?

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I see your edit and no I'm not of that exact opinion. I was discussing in frame of the various articles for and against public financing of stadiums. The common thread was additional revenue that would not have been spent otherwise.

So does a dome do this or not? Would it bring in enough travel dollars to justify tearing down a relatively new and fully functional and quite asthetivally pleasing field? And, is this money that would not have been spent there otherwise vs just shifting entertainment dollars from a local movie theater or water park to the ball park?

Personally, I'm not convinced. Jerry world absolutely fits that bill.

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I edited to try and be less snarky -- I'm bettering myself

A new stadium is going to pull in ~$20million a year extra in ticket sales alone.

Id prefer an outdoor park but if the rangers want a roof, its their team and they can do as they wish. So long as they pay for it and not the taxpayers. Time and again it has been shown that publicly funded stadiums dont bring in the money and benefits they claim they will. The city has no business financing another stadium just because some owners want a new one. I think its a bad deal for arlington and I'll vote no in november.

The last two stadiums have been great deals for Arlington and were paid off early with excess funds.

Who's excess funds?

Just because the city collected more taxes from its tax base than they said they would to pay it off, doesn't mean that the taxpayers didn't pay for it. The money came from somewhere.

Would love to see someone map out the relationship between number of complaints vs number of games attended. Would also like to see number of complaints by geographical location. Guessing if you were to map both out, you'd see some easy trends.

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The last two stadiums have been great deals for Arlington and were paid off early with excess funds.

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I disagree. The cowboys stadium was great for Jerry jones but negatively impacted residents.