Well the Cards screwed up multiple times in the inning, but yes, that got the ball rolling.Junkhead said:Premium said:drottermd said:Junkhead said:
Wow! I remember that series. Forgot that play completely. Epic fail of a call. Not even close.
Was the whole series this bad or just one call? I can forgive one call with the moment being too big, but an intentional systematic suffocating series of calls over multiple games is inexcusable
That was in the 9th inning of game 6. Cost St. Louis the game and the Royal went on to win Game 7. I'd say that one blown call isn't very forgivable. Then again, since it ****ed over the Cardinals I was OK with it.
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what a strange bump.
I always liked the Jeffrey Maier play. The Orioles deliberately built Camden so the fans could easily reach into the field of play and complicate things; it was poetic justice to see them screwed over by that very thing.
I never understood why the yankees didn't just walk pedro serrano intentionally in the 1989 one game playoff to determine the AL East title
Because he had struck out badly the previous two times vs the Yankees curveball specialist
They should have had some intel about the sacrificed chicken.
Instant replay has really taken the steam out of rhubarbs hasn't it?
Has anyone mentioned Fred Brocklander and his awful call on Craig Reynolds on a double play in the '86 series against the Mets and cost the Astros what would have been the winning run at 3rd. Would have meant a game 7 with Mike Scott on the bump and they knew they were screwed.
I've never thrown anything on the field, but if I was on the front row during this game, I'd have a hard time not aiming my drink at Blue. Horrible.
CoachRTM said:
Wow
I was a huge astros fan growing up in tomball and I remember that play like it happened yesterday. That play wasn't even bang bang. The ball was a good 15-20 feet or more from Keith Hernandez's glove. Just a ridiculously bad call and of course Brocklander went from first to behind the plate in game 6 which I attended with my dad. Mets got incredibly lucky that year escaping that series with one of the worst first base out callS of all time, Astros blowing a 3-0 lead in ninth inning of game 6 and of course the Buckner play at first in the World Series agonist Boston.
I had forgotten about that Altuve call. Now I'm pissed off. Thanks. **** Joe West
MuckRaker96 said:
I never understood why the yankees didn't just walk pedro serrano intentionally in the 1989 one game playoff to determine the AL East title
I never understood why the game was played in Cleveland instead of New York.
Yes. The Braves-Cards call was awful.
Holbrook strikes again. How he gets assigned big games is beyond me. he is terrible.
Aggie1205 said:
Holbrook strikes again. How he gets assigned big games is beyond me. he is terrible.
Awful, f him
Maybe I shouldn't say that, maybe it's not intentional, but he is clearly unfit and and needs to be shown the door. Ridiculous.
Edit- wrong thread
Todays call on Turner is worst call I can ever remember in MLB.
Well it was the correct call so we got that going for us.
"If any member of the batting team (including the coaches) interferes with a fielder's right of way to field a thrown ball, the runner on whom the play is being made shall be ruled out."
"When running the last half of the way to first base while the ball is being fielded in the vicinity of first, a baserunner must stay within the three-foot runner's lane to the right of the foul line unless they are avoiding a player fielding a batted ball. If the umpire determines that the baserunner has interfered with the player taking the throw at first base by running to the left of the foul line or to the right of the runner's lane, the baserunner can be called for interference."
"If any member of the batting team (including the coaches) interferes with a fielder's right of way to field a thrown ball, the runner on whom the play is being made shall be ruled out."
"When running the last half of the way to first base while the ball is being fielded in the vicinity of first, a baserunner must stay within the three-foot runner's lane to the right of the foul line unless they are avoiding a player fielding a batted ball. If the umpire determines that the baserunner has interfered with the player taking the throw at first base by running to the left of the foul line or to the right of the runner's lane, the baserunner can be called for interference."
The call was correct by the letter of the rule. That infield fly call by Holbrook in 2012 was also absolutely correct both by the letter and intent of the rule. Any pop up that can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort is an infield fly, it doesn't matter if it's in the outfield. In that case the shortstop easily jogged over and was camped under it before he thought he was called off of it. As for intent, let's say the idiot Cards didnt botch it, it was like 60 feet from 3rd base, if a players lets that drop in front of him and throws to third it could easily be a 6-5-4 double play because the runners would have to hold, exactly what the rule is supposed to guard against.
Last night was a bad call, but a correct interpretation of the rule.
Basically, the judgement call shouldn't have been made as there's no clear-cut evidence the runner wouldn't have been safe anyways -- he looked like he might have beat the throw anyways AND the ball was thrown poorly up the line.
But once that judgement call was made, by the rule it should have stood.
It's a bad rule that should have been changed long ago but it falls under that "well, it rarely matters", until it does.
If the rule is kept that way then if nothing else the infields need to be kept in such a way that it is grass all the way to the foul line.
Basically, the judgement call shouldn't have been made as there's no clear-cut evidence the runner wouldn't have been safe anyways -- he looked like he might have beat the throw anyways AND the ball was thrown poorly up the line.
But once that judgement call was made, by the rule it should have stood.
It's a bad rule that should have been changed long ago but it falls under that "well, it rarely matters", until it does.
If the rule is kept that way then if nothing else the infields need to be kept in such a way that it is grass all the way to the foul line.
Lemme guess, all Astros fans will defend last night's egregious call forever and ever, amen? Good thing Rendon corrected the situation.
AustinAg2012 said:
Lemme guess, all Astros fans will defend last night's egregious call forever and ever, amen? Good thing Rendon corrected the situation.
How was it egregious? It was correct. If the shoe were on the other foot you bet your ass we would have been called on it, and the Nats would be screaming bloody murder until the runner was called out.
AustinAg2012 said:
Lemme guess, all Astros fans will defend last night's egregious call forever and ever, amen? Good thing Rendon corrected the situation.
I don't know the rule. Can you explain why it was an incorrect call?
When running the last half of the way to first base while the ball is being fielded in the vicinity of first, a baserunner must stay within the three-foot runner's lane to the right of the foul line unless they are avoiding a player fielding a batted ball. If the umpire determines that the baserunner has interfered with the player taking the throw at first base by running to the left of the foul line or to the right of the runner's lane, the baserunner can be called for interference."
Walter Sobchak: Has the whole world gone CRAZY? Am I the only one around here who gives a **** about the rules? You think I'm ******' around, MARK IT ZERO!!!
Walter Sobchak: Has the whole world gone CRAZY? Am I the only one around here who gives a **** about the rules? You think I'm ******' around, MARK IT ZERO!!!
"If any member of the batting team (including the coaches) interferes with a fielder's right of way to field a thrown ball, the runner on whom the play is being made shall be ruled out."
Quote:
5.09 Making an Out
(a) Retiring the Batter
A batter is out when:
...
(11) In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of ) the foul line, and in the umpire's judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead; except that he may run outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line or inside (to the left of ) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;
Rule 5.09(a)(11) Comment: The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the threefoot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.
Some umpires would have called it there, and others wouldnt. Interference (as you can see in the rule) is left to the discretion of the "umpire's judgement." 100% he was eligible for the rule, and there was definitely a case for interference with the contact and Guriel's glove going flying.
This is a case where running the bases is at odds with the rule. Right handed runners run inside the baseline on basically every play because its the fastest line, and every now and then this comes up, IMO that it doesnt more often is just a testament to how good pitchers, catchers, and third basemen are at throwing to first at this level.
This is a case where running the bases is at odds with the rule. Right handed runners run inside the baseline on basically every play because its the fastest line, and every now and then this comes up, IMO that it doesnt more often is just a testament to how good pitchers, catchers, and third basemen are at throwing to first at this level.
Even if it's in the rules, he ran the base path like 90% of every player on every MLB roster. The call rewarded a bad throw.
You are right. The call is almost never made. Only when the runner makes contact or hinders the fielders ability to catch the ball. Which he did.
The call had zero effect on the game.
Moving on.
Moving on.
The problem here is where the "interference" came into play and his base path location doesn't matter. Him being inside did not affect the throw (like if the catcher fielded a bunt). Instead, his last half step was the issue and that was his left foot hitting the middle of the bag. If a runner can't lunge to the bag, then how the hell are they supposed to touch it? Should we put a double bag like softball? Had he been to the right of the foul line it wouldn't have changed him needing to make his last step in line with the base.
As was mentioned, only Astros fans are defending the atrocious call. It's an umpire known for horrible calls making another.
As was mentioned, only Astros fans are defending the atrocious call. It's an umpire known for horrible calls making another.
You know whats surprisingly not in the rules? That a fielder must make a 100% perfect throw to a base to get an out.AggieKO said:
Even if it's in the rules, he ran the base path like 90% of every player on every MLB roster. The call rewarded a bad throw.
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