Ty France to Twins @MillerStrib on it

— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) February 11, 2025

Astro killer in Minnesota

Jake Diekman to Braves. Dylan Covey too. Minors deals @JustBB_Media and @JustinCToscano on them

— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) February 11, 2025

Basically whoever ****s and gets off the pot first will dictate where the other goes.

From what I've heard a lot of his problems are very fixable. Just comes down to whether he's willing to make the changes that need to be made

EastCoastAgNc said:

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"I would be surprised if Arenado is a Cardinal come Opening Day."@Feinsand has the latest news on third basemen Nolan Arenado and Alex Bregman ⬇️#MLBTonight pic.twitter.com/gjX1DSxpcg

— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) February 11, 2025

In summary he gone. If Alex goes to Boston it really screws up the Arenado stuff.

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If Alex ships up to Boston, hopefully Dana finds out how badly the Cardinals want Arenado off the books.

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My personal favorite was Springer's bomb in Game 5 of 2017. Lucky to be there in person, Springer misplayed a ball in center that cost the Astros the lead. He then led off the next inning with a bomb to left center.

For my money, Game 5 of 2017 is the greatest baseball game ever played.

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I agree with all of this. It really sucks I went to game 4 lol.

That homerun was really special and one of my all time favorites. The heart and soul of the team completely whiffed and possibly blew the game but then he proves why he's the heart and soul and get's it back first pitch.

Typical SoCal crowd.

In the safety of other Astros fans..

I can't help but feel a little apprehensive when remembering those 2017 amazing moments at home.

I strongly believe that the sign stealing thing is way overblown and that the competitive advantage was much smaller than most believe. I've seen the data showing that our wRC+ was actually lower on pitches logged with "bangs."

Evan Gattis went on twitter last year and said he knew what pitch was coming on his ALCS G7 homer. With no one on base.

I know some say the World Series was too loud and there was no system, but if Gattis could get a signal in a Game 7...

I wish I could fully enjoy Yuli's shot, Springers no doubter, Altuve's clutch three-run bomb the way I used to, but for me the enjoyment is lesser.

I know many of you may have no issue and that is all good. It is just hard for me to push out that doubt. I hate that there is doubt at all.


So give me Altuve's 2019 Walk Off. There was never a buzzer or any nonsense there.

That is an interesting way to think of it.

I will never forget the way I felt in the moment either. That was 100% incredible.

It is the rewatching now that reduces my enjoyment. But I do I still enjoy them.

Also to add -- tipping pitches. Are other teams, see the Phillies in 2022, cheating for catching LMJ tipping pitches and lighting him up? They cracked what he was doing and teed off.

Baseball players are going to baseball. They are going to steal signs. They are going to see if a pitcher is tipping. The batters want to get a leg up however they can because again -- hitting a baseball is one of the hardest things to do in sports.

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agproducer said:

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Also to add -- tipping pitches. Are other teams, see the Phillies in 2022, cheating for catching LMJ tipping pitches and lighting him up? They cracked what he was doing and teed off.

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To be fair that's a completely different thing than what the Astros were doing

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True, but how did the Phillies see he was tipping? Did they compare on replays? Or was it by seeing it live?

From watching him. These guys are pros.

Heck, we were taught to watch for certain things even back in high school.

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Baseball players are going to baseball. They are going to steal signs. They are going to see if a pitcher is tipping. The batters want to get a leg up however they can because again -- hitting a baseball is one of the hardest things to do in sports.

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All of this is true. Using zoomed in cameras and algorithms to crack sign sequences and then relaying live to the batter goes beyond "baseball player gaining an advantage with his wits"

The Astros definitely took it too far in my opinion. Not that there was any rule saying just how far you could take it. Not that we know definitively no other team was also taking it this far.

I love the Astros and dedicate way too much time thinking about them. I push down plenty and am guilty of cognitive dissonance when it comes to some of this stuff.


It is easiest to say "every other team was doing exactly the same thing and it actually didn't help one bit and we would have won no matter what" and a lot of days that is how I think about the scandal.

But six years after the thing broke, I still wish they didn't take it so far. That is just how I feel.

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From watching him. These guys are pros.

Heck, we were taught to watch for certain things even back in high school.

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I get that -- and that's probably the case, but what was preventing them from looking at replays to confirm their theories?

I'm just sayin.'

There's no rules against doing that. That's what guys are doing on iPads in between at-bats

That's where there I believe there is an issue. It's legal for batters to use electronics to see some of the things the pitcher is doing and what he's throwing -- checking to see if he brings his hands too high on one pitch or has another tell, but it's illegal to use electronic devices to check or decode signs.

Don't get me wrong -- the Astros went too far with their scheme, but it doesn't take any enjoyment from me.

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Evan Gattis went on twitter last year and said he knew what pitch was coming on his ALCS G7 homer. With no one on base.

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What did LMJ throw… 27 straight curveballs to the Yankees and they couldn't hit it. I mean I get it a little, but hitting a baseball is ****ing hard.

I will stop with the devil's advocate or whatever soon, but I mean since hitting a baseball is hard wouldn't one team making it even a modicum easier for their hitters vs the other team be a pretty significant advantage?

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Also to add -- tipping pitches. Are other teams, see the Phillies in 2022, cheating for catching LMJ tipping pitches and lighting him up? They cracked what he was doing and teed off.

Baseball players are going to baseball. They are going to steal signs. They are going to see if a pitcher is tipping. The batters want to get a leg up however they can because again -- hitting a baseball is one of the hardest things to do in sports.

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It's not one of the hardest things to do in sports. It's THE hardest thing to do in sports.

Well game 7 was a given since Yu was pitching.