Maui up in flames

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"We're staying at the Four Seasons on both islands so open to any and all suggestions for restaurants or activities. Only things I know we're doing for sure are Pearl Harbor and Volcano National Park."

Make reservations for Pearl Harbor online ASAP.
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For an island constantly under threat from tsunamis (and N Korean missiles) I'm amazed by some of the stories coming out about the bungled response, starting with issuing warnings on social media instead of using the warning sirens.
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Didn't realize you had to do this. Looks like the park doesn't do reservations but USS Arizona tickets are secured. Thank you
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The warning sirens are engrained and trained for tsunamis and volcano eruptions. They aren't really designed or tested each month as wildfire danger warnings. They get ripped every month but no one ever associated them with wildfires. It's just outside of the training. You rage those and every person thinks it's time to head to high ground with a tsunami or missle attack or something else that we hear about all of the time out on the islands. You rip those sirens, and it would've created an even bigger cluster ****. Again, it's supposed to be all all danger response system but that's not how they train on it once a month. It's an engrained part of the island life: siren = higher ground. You can't just pivot that engrained mental training and behavioral training to use on other things wo creating mass confusion. That criticism is the one that doesn't compute if you've stayed on the islands for an decent amount of time. Maybe that's something they change in the future, but I can only imagine, if those sirens went off, it'd have been a cluster **** island wide and made first responding even harder w the increased traffic.

The one thing I will say is that if the sirens had sounded, more people probably would've gone outside and seen this thing coming before it was directly on top of them, but I'm not sure that outweighs the hysteria it would've probably started. I'm glad I didn't have to make that decision man. I'm sure they're having to second guess that now and that really stinks.

The thing that really hurt was the phone service going down so early in Lahaina. The alerts they were sending weren't getting delivered to the part of the island that needed them and they didn't know it for a couple of hours. I'm not sure how but that was a huge factor. They thought they were doing what they could but things weren't being delivered and they didn't know it.

Here's exactly what the state says to do when you hear a siren:

"When a siren tone is heard other than a scheduled test, tune into local Radio/TV/Cable stations for emergency information and instructions by official authorities. If you are in a low laying area near the coastline; evacuate to high grounds, inland, or vertically to the 4th floor and higher of a concrete building. Alerts may also come in form of a Wireless Emergency Alert."

The Wireless Emergency Alerts are what wasn't being delivered. You'll see that if you can't get to a radio to find out why, you get to higher ground or a higher floor. Training people when they hear a siren to move inland or to higher ground or a higher floor wouldn't of helped much in this instance.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman 4:05p, 8/12/23

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Drought



Drought plus non-native plants which are much more prone to combust violently than native species.
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Thanks for the reply Panda.
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Everything I have ready has also discussed how quickly this set into the town, and then how quickly it spread from building to building. There wasnt much time to send out any type of emergency alert. On top of that, unfortunately, the island does not have a ton of emergency responders, and they just arent equipped for mass wildfires not like we are here on the mainland. They dont have large numbers of brush trucks, they dont have other departments to call on for mutual aid. Its just the few stations and crews that are on at that time. And as quickly as this thing spread, you cant cover the entire front at once, so you have to pick and choose where you fight.
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The main thing I have seen is what somebody already said in the thread, that using the emergency sirens would have sent everybody fleeing inland, right into the teeth of the fire. And that by the time it was known that an alert would be needed, much of the infrastructure that would be used for it was already engulfed in the fire and unusable.
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100%, terrible situation any way you slice it.
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Sounds like they are hopeful the Banyan may make it. Efforts are already underway for fertilization and treatment.

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Looks like they want too keep tourists coming
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Texaggie7nine said:

Looks like they want too keep tourists coming



FEMA keeping the South going….. just sayin'
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At the Maui Airport now waiting for another flight to Kauai.

Our flight here had 35 passengers and 6 crew. On Hawaiian Air out of San Diego. Just nuts.

Have seen 4 FEMA dog & handlers in the airport and it appears they're departing.
aTm '99
 
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