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xMusashix
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Dirt,

It's not really scientific. Employees are a huge expense so I was looking to see which companies have room to cut to save money.


You also need to look at their relative upstream/downstream exposure, as downstream has much more employees that upstream if you were to compare.
Natasha Romanoff
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Some of a these companies appear to have way too many employees

XOM $417 Billion revenue - 75,000 employees
BP $337 Billion revenue - 83,900 employees
CVX $212 Billion revenue - 64,600 employees
RDS $450 Billion revenue - 90,000 employees
TOT $227 Billion revenue - 98,000 employees

Using XOM has a benchmark, some of these companies appear to have too many employees. There might be other factors involved but those with cash flow problems like BP and CVX can easily cut some people. Hopefully none of you guys.
Are those employee numbers salaried/hourly workers for XOM/BP/CVX/etc.? Or do they include contract workers as well?

The way my company handles "employees" is we have a small number of salaried/official company employees, and then a much larger number of contract employees.
xMusashix
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Some of a these companies appear to have way too many employees

XOM $417 Billion revenue - 75,000 employees
BP $337 Billion revenue - 83,900 employees
CVX $212 Billion revenue - 64,600 employees
RDS $450 Billion revenue - 90,000 employees
TOT $227 Billion revenue - 98,000 employees

Using XOM has a benchmark, some of these companies appear to have too many employees. There might be other factors involved but those with cash flow problems like BP and CVX can easily cut some people. Hopefully none of you guys.
Are those employee numbers salaried/hourly workers for XOM/BP/CVX/etc.? Or do they include contract workers as well?

The way my company handles "employees" is we have a small number of salaried/official company employees, and then a much larger number of contract employees.


That's the way just about all companies do it. Those numbers are actual employees of the company.

Don't ever act like those contractors are employees. You'll have co-employment issues.
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Some of a these companies appear to have way too many employees

XOM $417 Billion revenue - 75,000 employees
BP $337 Billion revenue - 83,900 employees
CVX $212 Billion revenue - 64,600 employees
RDS $450 Billion revenue - 90,000 employees
TOT $227 Billion revenue - 98,000 employees

Using XOM has a benchmark, some of these companies appear to have too many employees. There might be other factors involved but those with cash flow problems like BP and CVX can easily cut some people. Hopefully none of you guys.
Are those employee numbers salaried/hourly workers for XOM/BP/CVX/etc.? Or do they include contract workers as well?

The way my company handles "employees" is we have a small number of salaried/official company employees, and then a much larger number of contract employees.
The number actually seems low for RDS...I think we have over 100k now a days
Natasha Romanoff
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Just crazy to me...working for a "large independent" and we aren't even in the same stratosphere as the majors.
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Some of a these companies appear to have way too many employees

XOM $417 Billion revenue - 75,000 employees
BP $337 Billion revenue - 83,900 employees
CVX $212 Billion revenue - 64,600 employees
RDS $450 Billion revenue - 90,000 employees
TOT $227 Billion revenue - 98,000 employees

Using XOM has a benchmark, some of these companies appear to have too many employees. There might be other factors involved but those with cash flow problems like BP and CVX can easily cut some people. Hopefully none of you guys.
Are those employee numbers salaried/hourly workers for XOM/BP/CVX/etc.? Or do they include contract workers as well?

The way my company handles "employees" is we have a small number of salaried/official company employees, and then a much larger number of contract employees.
The number actually seems low for RDS...I think we have over 100k now a days


Wouldn't this rate greatly depend in what services are contracted out and what's not? How much labor is unaccounted for when just looking at number of employees?
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The movement on the 10 year is incredible


Not really, most of the developed world is sub 1% on 10 year government bonds, Germany is under 0.8%. I think we are going much lower on the 10 year.

And the bond market disagrees with you at this point. Right now, they are suggesting rates to increase about 3% over the next five years and long term for rates to remain below average.


If by "bond market disagrees with me" you are referring to analysts who have been predicting higher rates for the last couple of years that never came. The "bond market" which is actual rates agrees with me and hasn't showed any signs of sustainable increases in long term rates.
I am referring to the actual rates in the market. The actual rates do not predict the 10 yr to go much lower.
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http://fuelfix.com/blog/2014/12/17/more-than-500-rigs-may-shut-down-as-oil-slides-analysts-say/

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"We think there's a significant amount of pain coming" to the oil industry and its service companies next year, said Praveen Narra, an analyst with Raymond James. Any recovery in U.S. drilling activity will likely take longer than usual in oil-price downturns because the decline was set off by a glut in crude supplies, rather than less demand, he said.


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Some private producers, Wunderlich analyst Irene Haas wrote in a separate note, "believe that there will be more than 500 rigs idling in the next 60 days," meaning more than a quarter of active U.S. rigs will be off the market soon.
Dirt 05
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This Friday should be interesting, because unless I'm mistaken we should see a new rig count from Baker Hughes and the January 2015 WTI Futures contract will close.
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Here are the settlement dates for oil
http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/crude-oil/light-sweet-crude_product_calendar_futures.html
JeffHamilton82
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Here is a site that shows prices for oil for future months and years as well as volumne traded daily
http://www.barchart.com/commodityfutures/Crude_Oil_WTI_Futures/CL
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Wonder what is going on today?

Right now WTI up +$2.66 to $58.59
dantes
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short squeeze perhaps? Not much news
SQXVI
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isn't a revolution about to start again in Libya or something?
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short squeeze perhaps? Not much news

I can't imagine too many people took short positions past $55 with the recent fall.

Maybe funds are getting long oil now. Yesterday traded mostly sideways, so maybe that was the support buyers wanted to see before taking long positions.

Maybe just a dead cat bounce.

When oil started it's fall from $147 in July or August of '08 it bounced $17 one day. I think it had fallen to around $100/bbl at that point. Of course it continued it's fall after that $17 bounce all the way into the $30s. If we get a +15% daily bounce on something short of superpowers going to war, I'm going to take a large short position.
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I bought PXD, APC, and APA last week in what I thought would be long positions. Taking my 5-10% gains today and will buy back in when oil falls back again.

Had to take the gains. In this environment, would have been foolish not to.
Matt Schwab
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Puke & Rally!
rononeill
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no joke - im up 30% on 28 hours of holding SFY...
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Good news guys. Last night I had a dream that started with me waking up from an 8 month coma. The first thing I did when my mom picked me up from the hospital was ask her about oil prices and they were back up!
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So did crude find a bottom at $55 or is this just a minor rally and crude will continue to drop? Thoughts?
Matt Schwab
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Probably a minor rally. I think we hit $40 and bounce back up from there.
Houston Lee
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Its is interesting. For weeks we were seeing multi dollar drops each day. For the past 2-3 days the price has stabilized and had slight increases. /crosses fingers...
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Just my opinion but if you have a short term goal, then I would wait it out at least another day or two. If you are looking to hold for 2+ years and don't mind it going lower before higher then now might not be a bad time to buy.
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Positive again this morning.
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The movement on the 10 year is incredible


Not really, most of the developed world is sub 1% on 10 year government bonds, Germany is under 0.8%. I think we are going much lower on the 10 year.

And the bond market disagrees with you at this point. Right now, they are suggesting rates to increase about 3% over the next five years and long term for rates to remain below average.


If by "bond market disagrees with me" you are referring to analysts who have been predicting higher rates for the last couple of years that never came. The "bond market" which is actual rates agrees with me and hasn't showed any signs of sustainable increases in long term rates.
I am referring to the actual rates in the market. The actual rates do not predict the 10 yr to go much lower.


Well I am in the fixed income business and don't know what "actual rates are predicting higher rates" you are referring to. Enlighten me.
I get my info from fixed income managers in mutual fund industry. One in particular is californiabeachpundit.com. He is now retired, but there is a recent post with that data. I don't understand it they way you do, but that is what his summary of what the charts say. I just take his word and others together, see if it makes sense, and then go with it. I couldn't argue it well myself. Also, bond makets aren't always right, but I have found them to be more accurate than the stock market.
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"Also, bond makets aren't always right, but I have found them to be more accurate than the stock market."

I don't even know where to start..... I have some free investment analysis and capital markets textbooks if you'd like to borrow them.
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#Gadgets- bond markets could be a reasonable indicator, especially in high yield/junk markets (energy) that can trade like equities. Yes they are different markets, but they can be highly correlated

Also, a lot of what was written in capital markets textbooks does not factor in interest rates at the zero-bound for 6+ years

Another viewpoint from a fixed income manager:
http://www.pimco.com/EN/Education/Pages/TheRoleofHighYieldBonds.aspx
MaysAggie2015
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I'm not saying their is a correct answer. If you find one, you'll prob win a Nobel prize. It's a there are 2 sides to every coin debate to open. The blanket statement is to what is I was referring.

Capital Markets is a great read for any investor. Deficit and surplus units and transformation of claims knowledge along with an understanding of the inter workings of the fed can help you see through a lot of gold plated dog .....

Don't want to derail the thread. Back to talking about the Tine.
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I'm not saying their is a correct answer. If you find one, you'll prob win a Nobel prize. It's a there are 2 sides to every coin debate to open. The blanket statement is to what is I was referring.

Capital Markets is a great read for any investor. Deficit and surplus units and transformation of claims knowledge along with an understanding of the inter workings of the fed can help you see through a lot of gold plated dog .....

Don't want to derail the thread. Back to talking about the Tine.
You are right. I use both market charts to help see what the right move may be, but in my studies, the bond market appears to have less false indicators. I am not talking about Bill Gross's opinions. I am talking about the high yield spreads, yield curves, swap spread (us and Intl), etc. That with equity charts help me and my business. I do not subscribe to anything that would make me become a trader. Sorry to make it sound like I know it all or that the bond market is the only way to go.
Dan Scott
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A lot of oil talk but nat gas hitting new lows at $3.31
Furlock Bones
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A lot of oil talk but nat gas hitting new lows at $3.31
Yep. Warm winter is killing gas. Going to be ugly if we don't get some storage draw down.
Matt Schwab
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OPEC is cratering.....first hint fired.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-21/non-opec-producers-called-on-to-cut-oil-output-amid-oversupply.html

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"We call on all other producers to stop the increase because the increase is harming the market," U.A.E. Energy Minister Suhail Al Mazrouei said in a separate interview at the conference. "If the increase stops, and they follow OPEC's lead, OPEC's decision is to fix production, if production stabilizes in 2015 things will stabilize much faster."
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