Full WFH with 9/80 here.

What's the biggest advantage with work from home?

Staying on point with trying to eat clean.

Yeah it's a matter of discipline, but it also helps to avoid eating fast food, catered lunches, pastries, birthday cake a couple times a month, limiting caffeine and alcohol, travel, eating airport food and convenience food because you are stuck somewhere you don't want to be.

No question that the traditional work environment contributes to bad diet. It's hard to get around that.

If you are at home eating out of your own fridge, its easier to stay on track.

You do a dinner a couple times a month, it's one thing. But traditional office life gets you sideways on that real quick.

Not wasting a bunch of time getting dressed in special clothes, sitting in traffic and wasting gas to just be less efficient

We are now 4/10 with every Friday off. Thursday is the WFH day.

So I only go in M-W.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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What's the biggest advantage with work from home?

Staying on point with trying to eat clean.

Yeah it's a matter of discipline, but it also helps to avoid eating fast food, catered lunches, pastries, birthday cake a couple times a month, limiting caffeine and alcohol, travel, eating airport food and convenience food because you are stuck somewhere you don't want to be.

No question that the traditional work environment contributes to bad diet. It's hard to get around that.

If you are at home eating out of your own fridge, its easier to stay on track.

You do a dinner a couple times a month, it's one thing. But traditional office life gets you sideways on that real quick.

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I would say clean eating and cost savings. Your personal income statement should have improved substantially during Covid and continued if you are still fully WFH.

I've WFH for 12 years so nothing new to me. The wife is now at home and realized she can save 10-12 hours a week from going to the office and uses that time for her personal benefit. 500 hours a year just opened up for her. She does not want to give that up.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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What's the biggest advantage with work from home?

Staying on point with trying to eat clean.

Yeah it's a matter of discipline, but it also helps to avoid eating fast food, catered lunches, pastries, birthday cake a couple times a month, limiting caffeine and alcohol, travel, eating airport food and convenience food because you are stuck somewhere you don't want to be.

No question that the traditional work environment contributes to bad diet. It's hard to get around that.

If you are at home eating out of your own fridge, its easier to stay on track.

You do a dinner a couple times a month, it's one thing. But traditional office life gets you sideways on that real quick.

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I am the exact opposite of this. One of the reasons I don't like to work from home is I tend to eat more (snack during the day because its convenient). Also, although I rarely drink Monday - Thursday, I find myself wanting to drink starting at noon on days I work from home.

Working in the office give me a more consistent eating schedule. I can easily skip breakfast, eat a decent lunch (whether I bring it or go out) and don't snack.

I do tend to exercise more when I work from home. I love the mid-day walk/run/workout when I'm at home.

Duncan Idaho said:

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We are supposedly hybrid. I've been with my current employer for more than 7years. I still don't have a badge. I've been in the office 3 times (2x for tech support, 1x for some team building crap)

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Bob Slydell: Yeah, we can't actually find a record of him being a current employee here.

Bob Porter: I looked into it more deeply and I found that apparently what happened is that he was laid off five years ago and no one ever told him, but through some kind of glitch in the payroll department, he still gets a paycheck.

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This board is an extreme bubble on many topics including this one.

Most here are engineers or other professional services PLUS have the drive to want to produce no matter where.

Most people just are not like that.

WFH has been absolutely terrible for most companies. Employees have taken advantage with trying to live double lives (drop child care etc.). They work even less at home than in the office.

On the professional side this will come to a halt shortly. Layoffs are coming next year when the merry go round stops. Even on this side only the top producers are can make it work (you can tell on here who has seen the numbers and are responsible for generating revenue).

In short people are taking advantage of companies even more trying to demand work from home. Give it a while and the ride will stop.

Most people are lazy and do the bare minimum. They can hide at home even more by not answering emails/phone and there is no way to walk down the office to find them now.

So fire them

Problem solved

The reality is that those that didn't do **** in the office don't do **** at home. Nothing has really changed much

The ones that produce in the office produce at home, and if their job is all on the computer they can probably perform it better at home. Don't let outlier abusers ruin it for everyone.

SF2004 said:

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On the professional side this will come to a halt shortly. Layoffs are coming next year when the merry go round stops. Even on this side only the top producers are can make it work (you can tell on here who has seen the numbers and are responsible for generating revenue).

In short people are taking advantage of companies even more trying to demand work from home. Give it a while and the ride will stop.

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100% this.... There are a ton of people taking advantage of the WFH craze right now and it's going to snap back eventually. While I 100% believe that some can truly WFH, the vast majority are faking it and barely getting by until the next market turn.

SF2004 said:

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This board is an extreme bubble on many topics including this one.

Most here are engineers or other professional services PLUS have the drive to want to produce no matter where.

Most people just are not like that.

WFH has been absolutely terrible for most companies. Employees have taken advantage with trying to live double lives (drop child care etc.). They work even less at home than in the office.

On the professional side this will come to a halt shortly. Layoffs are coming next year when the merry go round stops. Even on this side only the top producers are can make it work (you can tell on here who has seen the numbers and are responsible for generating revenue).

In short people are taking advantage of companies even more trying to demand work from home. Give it a while and the ride will stop.

Most people are lazy and do the bare minimum. They can hide at home even more by not answering emails/phone and there is no way to walk down the office to find them now.

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It would be more beneficial to talk in specifics instead of all these generalities. Do you have specific experience or no?

AggiEE said:

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So fire them

Problem solved

The reality is that those that didn't do **** in the office don't do **** at home. Nothing has really changed much

The ones that produce in the office produce at home, and if their job is all on the computer they can probably perform it better at home. Don't let outlier abusers ruin it for everyone.

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To be fair, remote workers will be the first to go when mass layoffs hit. They are the invisible number that has no personal relationship with those making the decision.

Most managers that have a brain will layoff based on merit, not whether you decide to work at home or in a distracting cube farm

RockOn said:

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SF2004 said:

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This board is an extreme bubble on many topics including this one.

Most here are engineers or other professional services PLUS have the drive to want to produce no matter where.

Most people just are not like that.

WFH has been absolutely terrible for most companies. Employees have taken advantage with trying to live double lives (drop child care etc.). They work even less at home than in the office.

On the professional side this will come to a halt shortly. Layoffs are coming next year when the merry go round stops. Even on this side only the top producers are can make it work (you can tell on here who has seen the numbers and are responsible for generating revenue).

In short people are taking advantage of companies even more trying to demand work from home. Give it a while and the ride will stop.

Most people are lazy and do the bare minimum. They can hide at home even more by not answering emails/phone and there is no way to walk down the office to find them now.

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It would be more beneficial to talk in specifics instead of all these generalities. Do you have specific experience or no?

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It's a freaking message board. What do you expect. Nobody here is giving any specifics. This is a world of generalities.

AggiEE said:

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Most managers that have a brain will layoff based on merit, not whether you decide to work at home or in a distracting cube farm

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Yeah.. but when I have to compare relative equals... I'm picking the one in the office every day of the week.

Stymied said:

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AggiEE said:

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Most managers that have a brain will layoff based on merit, not whether you decide to work at home or in a distracting cube farm

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Yeah.. but when I have to compare relative equals... I'm picking the one in the office every day of the week.

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It generally won't be equal, if we are discussing jobs that are 100% computer based

The high performer that works at home will be more performant than the one that has to commute everyday and deal with a distracting office environment

AggiEE said:

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So fire them

Problem solved

The reality is that those that didn't do **** in the office don't do **** at home. Nothing has really changed much

The ones that produce in the office produce at home, and if their job is all on the computer they can probably perform it better at home. Don't let outlier abusers ruin it for everyone.

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Disagree. I'm at a company now where everyone is driven and I see zero drop off from wfh.

My last job was not that way. And where I disagree with the bolded is I can walk to a cubicle for someone I need something from and tell them it's urgent, etc. If they're remote they just ignore me. Yes, that person should be fired. But if you're being honest most companies have lazy people in boring, non challenging, low drive type positions.

Also, I've shared this story on here but you also have cases like a good friend of mine. I assume he's a good worker. He's received promotions, etc. However, he didn't do **** when working from home. Just the temptation of turning on the tv of Xbox was too much for him. He told me he was kind of relieved when they announced they were going back in the office because he needed it to get his ass back in gear.

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Stymied said:

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AggiEE said:

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Most managers that have a brain will layoff based on merit, not whether you decide to work at home or in a distracting cube farm

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Yeah.. but when I have to compare relative equals... I'm picking the one in the office every day of the week.

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It generally won't be equal, if we are discussing jobs that are 100% computer based

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Tell me how I know you are still an engineer....

Look, I have an undergrad in engineering (EE and software). I know how it works! If we are talking about pure transactional jobs where the boss hands out a task and you return a work package, great! Most jobs are not like that though, especially as you progress through your career.

I 100% agree that coders can work 100% WFH. If they are good, they are basically mercenaries. Most jobs don't work that way though.

Some bigger companies here in town that my friends work at have made permanent office space reductions. That tells me they never intend to go back to full time office.

I joined my current company (large tech company) in the spring. Most of my colleagues were under covid conditions so the team is spread around the country. Bringing us back to the local offices would still require us to be on zoom calls for meetings. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle unless they just pick a city and say everyone has to move there or else.

I'm not opposed to going back to the office. But if they tell me to move, I'll probably just quit and find a new job where I currently live.

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Stymied said:

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AggiEE said:

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Most managers that have a brain will layoff based on merit, not whether you decide to work at home or in a distracting cube farm

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Yeah.. but when I have to compare relative equals... I'm picking the one in the office every day of the week.

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It generally won't be equal, if we are discussing jobs that are 100% computer based

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Tell me how I know you are still an engineer....

Look, I have an undergrad in engineering (EE and software). I know how it works! If we are talking about pure transactional jobs where the boss hands out a task and you return a work package, great! Most jobs are not like that though, especially as you progress through your career.

I 100% agree that coders can work 100% WFH. If they are good, they are basically mercenaries. Most jobs don't work that way though.

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For the situation I was describing, what do you think most jobs are? They are transactional. Especially engineering jobs, or 100% computer based jobs that I was discussing before. This is ignoring someone in a services industry where client interaction or a physical service is to be performed.

You can progress through a transactional career just fine. There are technical ladders. What you are describing are the non-transactional jobs where the actual work product is less transparent, i.e., some form of management.

Of course, in a recession, I would expect management to have a huge target on their back as they usually do. You can easily justify someone who is designing something that will be delivered to an end customer. It's less obvious what value some manager caught on the myriad of needlessly complex corporate management hierarchy is producing to the bottom line. They certainly are more expendable. And their careers have certainly depended on politics, face time, all the usual BS that's not clearly quantified.

Let's not twist facts though - I am not claiming ALL work is well suited to WFH. But certainly any type of work that requires you to produce something on the computer, and where many of the mundane meetings can be more effectively accomplished through a Teams call rather than some elaborately collaborative environment that upper management seems to somehow think is a regular thing that cannot easily be done from home.

SteveBott said:

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I've WFH for 12 years so nothing new to me. The wife is now at home and realized she can save 10-12 hours a week from going to the office and uses that time for her personal benefit. 500 hours a year just opened up for her. She does not want to give that up.

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Yeah, it's approaching 15 years for me and that was always the biggest thing I noticed that by the time the significant other even left for work, I had already put 2 hours in.

When I look back it's funny to think about the slow adjustments I had to make to learn to adapt to not having a boss or not having someone checking in on me. Learned real quick TV on in the background was good to not work in silence, but it had to be something I'd seen dozens of times so that I didn't need to look up. Every time I'd try and get away with something I had seen 3-4 times but not in a year or so, I'd catch myself drifting to watching it. So after 15 years I think I've watched X-Files all the way through 6 or 7 times.