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AggiEE said:

Stymied said:

AggiEE said:

Most managers that have a brain will layoff based on merit, not whether you decide to work at home or in a distracting cube farm
Yeah.. but when I have to compare relative equals... I'm picking the one in the office every day of the week.


It generally won't be equal, if we are discussing jobs that are 100% computer based
Tell me how I know you are still an engineer....

Look, I have an undergrad in engineering (EE and software). I know how it works! If we are talking about pure transactional jobs where the boss hands out a task and you return a work package, great! Most jobs are not like that though, especially as you progress through your career.

I 100% agree that coders can work 100% WFH. If they are good, they are basically mercenaries. Most jobs don't work that way though.



This is entirely false.

You can 100% manage software teams remotely and be successful



I promise
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We are an oil and gas company. 1 day a week remote. We give a lot of flexibility when folks need to head out or take and extra day for contractors, etc.

Some other are doing 2 days a week, some none. Seems like the general consensus was 1-2 days WFH.

I see a day or two sticking but I also see software tracking becoming more prevalent.
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Been fully remote since 2019.

I eat cleaner, produce at a top level, and my VP has always stated "as long as you go above and beyond for your clients, we don't care what your schedule is." The ability to workout daily on a schedule, eat clean, and not waste 1-2 hours in a car is a game changer. It makes me a more productive employee and ensures I have good work/life balance.
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ESG scores should get docked on companies that require their employees to unnecessarily burn gasoline to get to work.
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RockOn said:

Software Dev, 100% remote since 2019. Work when I want, for how long I want, from wherever I want, just get the products created.

About 95% of the recruitment efforts in my Linkedin inbox is for remote positions. I couldn't imagine ever routinely going to an office to do what I do.


There are a lot of factors. Many big software companies will pay well WFH up to a point. unsure how many are okay with fully remote at high salaries especially if they are new.
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We are a hybrid, but varies from 100% on-site to 100% remote just depending on the position and need.

Several comments about productivity - for us, it makes you more efficient, but it is up to the employee to have the discipline to be more productive. Some will get their work done in 3-4 hours and cruise the rest of the day. Answer their phone and occasionally respond to emails.

As far as just looking productive from home, that already happens in the offices anyway. Most large companies have a lot of programs and box checking, it isn't hard to look good on paper and play the politics, but actually suck at your job.

It really just goes back to hire good people, train them, and trust them to do their job. If you don't trust them, why are they working for you?
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Pre-pandemic the very large global company I work for was old school, begrudgingly allowing 1 work from home day every 2 weeks - and that only came in like in 2018.

During the pandemic they were forced to change and I think they feel it can work, and actually save money, to allow WFH.

The new policy is up to 3 days a week WFH. Most people seem to like it. It's not being enforced, some maybe come in half day a week - it's being abused by the lower performers or burnt out employees, but many are very happy working from home and state they feel more productive.


Personally, I find I prefer coming in to the office. I need the structure, I like separating work from my home life, I benefit from interacting with coworkers.

It definitely varies by role and individual, but on a large, general scale I struggle to believe productivity will be as high over the long term. In the short term (initial years), established teams full of people who know each other well can probably work well with WFH. But long term, on boarding new people and perhaps eventually having a full team of people that have barely been around each other in person - I struggle to see that "team" working as efficiently. Humans are social animals (generally, not all) and I do think they benefit from interacting in person both professionally and personally - feeling that social connection. I don't think it is the same on Zoom or Teams. Having said that, I'm 50 and maybe just not able to adapt. My kid's generation interacts a LOT online socially, so why would work feel any different to them if it was online connecting only? I get that argument, but I think for my kid's socially, and for professional workers, something is lost - something biologically programmed in to us - if there is no, or limited, in person human interaction. I don't know what the long term impacts are. I also recognize humans are amazingly adaptable, and this may just be a shift in our human experience we adapt to.
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evan_aggie said:

RockOn said:

Software Dev, 100% remote since 2019. Work when I want, for how long I want, from wherever I want, just get the products created.

About 95% of the recruitment efforts in my Linkedin inbox is for remote positions. I couldn't imagine ever routinely going to an office to do what I do.


There are a lot of factors. Many big software companies will pay well WFH up to a point. unsure how many are okay with fully remote at high salaries especially if they are new.
I'm okay with that.

If a person saves and invests early in their career, they can afford to take the lower pay (still well into 6 figures) and devote more time to what's important in life - like raising children in those crucial early years or taking care of aging parents. I'm just not willing to give that up just to fatten my vanguard account.
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evan_aggie said:

RockOn said:

Software Dev, 100% remote since 2019. Work when I want, for how long I want, from wherever I want, just get the products created.

About 95% of the recruitment efforts in my Linkedin inbox is for remote positions. I couldn't imagine ever routinely going to an office to do what I do.


There are a lot of factors. Many big software companies will pay well WFH up to a point. unsure how many are okay with fully remote at high salaries especially if they are new.
Software companies aside many F500 IT departments are fully remote and have been for almost 3 years now. According to my wife, her IT department at her company is operating as effectively as they ever have being fully remote.

IT is the perfect job for this. You have a bunch of IC's coding away without office distractions. Makes total sense.
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I'm 50/50. Some weeks I'm 2 days in the office, other times I'm 3 days (occasional 4 days if it makes sense). I have a direct report that moved to a different city this summer and is fully remote. I've seen no drop in productivity from them.

Personally, I like being in the office (even though I'm a millennial) but understand all the reasons why people like working from home. I would never choose a job where I was fully remote, but a couple days a week seems like the right mix.
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We fully allow employees to WFH until they think it is an every day ocurrence. Try to WFH too often and you'll be in an office fulltime or departed from the company.


WFH works in a lot of jobs, but generally you need metrics tied to paycheck to make it benefit the employer.
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Comeby! said:

We are an oil and gas company. 1 day a week remote. We give a lot of flexibility when folks need to head out or take and extra day for contractors, etc.

Some other are doing 2 days a week, some none. Seems like the general consensus was 1-2 days WFH.

I see a day or two sticking but I also see software tracking becoming more prevalent.
I am also in the industry and Mon-Thurs in the office seems to be the preference for energy companies here in DFW, of course 9/80s were pretty standard in the industry before COVID so it really isn't much of a change.

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I'm in upstream (chemicals). No WFH policy pre-Covid. About a year ago, they allowed office staff to WFH on Tuesdays and the 9/80 Friday that you're scheduled to work. IT seems to have a much more flexible policy than this, but I'm not sure of the details.

Lots of employees in plants and labs that simply can't do this. I think the company was (and is still) worried about the inequitable nature of this policy based on your job.

The good news is, as a rule, everyone is much more flexible. Need to WFH on a different day, no problem (with most supervisors). That is helpful and improves morale, I think. I don't feel guilty when I need to flex time to accommodate personal things.

Bad news is, the employees who have jobs that they think should be 100% WFH (think marketing, legal, communications, HR, etc). are leaving for other jobs where they are allowed to do that.

I'm of the camp that I prefer going to the office. I like keeping my home/work life separate, and there are too many distractions at home. WFH is more like living at work for me.

Like a previous poster, I also find that I snack more when I WFH, so it messes with other habits. I do WFH on my Fridays (since it's only every other week), but only on Tuesdays if there is a specific reason I need to be home.

I'm lucky, though, in that my commute is only about 15 min. I work out after work, and the studio is near my office, so I'd be making the drive regardless (no gas savings for me).

I don't like the fact that most meeting are on Teams, whether people are in the office or not. I like interacting in person, and there is ALWAYS some sort of technical glitch.

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Lots of employees in plants and labs that simply can't do this. I think the company was (and still) worries about the inequitable nature of this policy based on your job.


Do they also worry about the inequitable nature of their pay based on your job?

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Lots of employees in plants and labs that simply can't do this. I think the company was (and still) worries about the inequitable nature of this policy based on your job.


Do they also worry about the inequitable nature of their pay based on your job?




I didn't say it was a good reason, it just is a reason. It's just part of the culture of the industry. There was huge resistance to 9/80s back when that was implemented. XOM held out completely on that work schedule.

With that said, we've onboarded A LOT of new employees over the last 2 years. WFH when I was a new employee would have been a disaster. I've learned so much and built great relationships working with people face to face. I think that's something that's being overlooked/ignored by those who want 100% WFH.

Most of the people I know advocating for it are mid-career and well established at the company. That's a very different position to be in.
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Complete Idiot said:

Pre-pandemic the very large global company I work for was old school, begrudgingly allowing 1 work from home day every 2 weeks - and that only came in like in 2018.

During the pandemic they were forced to change and I think they feel it can work, and actually save money, to allow WFH.

The new policy is up to 3 days a week WFH. Most people seem to like it. It's not being enforced, some maybe come in half day a week - it's being abused by the lower performers or burnt out employees, but many are very happy working from home and state they feel more productive.


Personally, I find I prefer coming in to the office. I need the structure, I like separating work from my home life, I benefit from interacting with coworkers.

It definitely varies by role and individual, but on a large, general scale I struggle to believe productivity will be as high over the long term. In the short term (initial years), established teams full of people who know each other well can probably work well with WFH. But long term, on boarding new people and perhaps eventually having a full team of people that have barely been around each other in person - I struggle to see that "team" working as efficiently. Humans are social animals (generally, not all) and I do think they benefit from interacting in person both professionally and personally - feeling that social connection. I don't think it is the same on Zoom or Teams. Having said that, I'm 50 and maybe just not able to adapt. My kid's generation interacts a LOT online socially, so why would work feel any different to them if it was online connecting only? I get that argument, but I think for my kid's socially, and for professional workers, something is lost - something biologically programmed in to us - if there is no, or limited, in person human interaction. I don't know what the long term impacts are. I also recognize humans are amazingly adaptable, and this may just be a shift in our human experience we adapt to.
This is a thoughtful take. Username does not check out.
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As someone recently promoted into an IC role and being asked to take on more development of younger employees, I completely agree. I love working from home. I'm a high performer, I get the job done and I've already established myself over the last 10 years and built my reputation.

But for the new hires Im mentoring, I feel for them. It's hard to build that reputation and connection. It can be done but I think it requires much more proactiveness.
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I feel the same way about education, too. Could a lot of degrees be earned with remote learning? Sure.

But part of the college experience for me was going away to school and developing my independence. Those were formative years for me.

My son told me about a classmate who opted to do computer engineering at LSU - 100% online. So he's living at his parents' house in Tomball while "attending" LSU. There is a practical aspect to it - it's cheaper and less scary/intimidating for a lot of kids (especially the ones whose high school years were interrupted by Covid), but is it a GOOD choice in the long term? I just don't know, but I'm leaning towards no, at least for most kids.

I have a friend who has been WFH the entire time I've know her - over 10 years. She told me years ago that it does a number on your mental health. She's admitted to going days wearing the same pajamas and not showering. That is never good, but considering all the negative effects on mental health that Covid caused, it could get even worse going forward.
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Points in those last 2 posts above are what concern me - building professional teams that originate 100% remotely is perhaps not impossible, but I think very difficult and it's very different than existing teams pivoting to WFH at the start of the pandemic. Can we build connections?

And when I read "I save X hours driving, X dollars of gas, more time for myself" I extrapolate that to - OK, can we make that argument for school? For ANYTHING that can potentially be accomplished online? If you never want to leave your house, you can work, get educated, shop for pretty much everything, join virtual social groups, even date (I guess?) online. Is that healthy? Good? I needed in person school, in person work, to make friends and build real social networks. I was an early adopter in the 90's of online communities - I'm an introvert - but it is not all the same as in person interaction and not healthy if that's all you have (in my opinion). I do feel if I was growing up now, and able to give in to my base introvert instincts, I could exist (sadly) entirely online.
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Stymied said:

AggiEE said:

So fire them

Problem solved

The reality is that those that didn't do **** in the office don't do **** at home. Nothing has really changed much

The ones that produce in the office produce at home, and if their job is all on the computer they can probably perform it better at home. Don't let outlier abusers ruin it for everyone.
To be fair, remote workers will be the first to go when mass layoffs hit. They are the invisible number that has no personal relationship with those making the decision.
Interesting perspective.

My boss is remote. So is his. He reports to the CEO who is in the home office. So am I. So you're saying the two people above me are gonna get whacked and I'm getting promoted? Sweet!
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I also think this demand for 100% WFH is going to create unrealistic expectations and create problems for the labor market. We are already kind of seeing that, with nearly every restaurant and retail store posting "help needed" signs. People don't want to leave their house. And we've got a generation of young kids who think they can become millionaires making Tik Tok videos.

As a woman, I see this among other women who are also mothers. At some point this myth got perpetuated that you NEED to be WFH/have flexible working house in order to have children. The flex hours help, but with the exception of Covid, I've NEVER been WFH, and I think my 17 year old has turned out just fine. I've almost been looked down upon by other mothers because I DON'T work from home. Pre-Covid, it had become the ultimate privilege among middle to upper class women (no surprise, many of them also advocated for being your own boss/working as a contractor. I'll keep my health insurance, pensions, and company-matches 401k, thank you very much).

I also think a lot of professionals may end up limiting their career potential by having remote/WFH as a requirement. The irony is they may pigeon-hole themselves in very specific jobs and cap their salary ceiling by not being flexible (about WFH).

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Complete Idiot said:

Points in those last 2 posts above are what concern me - building professional teams that originate 100% remotely is perhaps not impossible, but I think very difficult and it's very different than existing teams pivoting to WFH at the start of the pandemic. Can we build connections?

And when I read "I save X hours driving, X dollars of gas, more time for myself" I extrapolate that to - OK, can we make that argument for school? For ANYTHING that can potentially be accomplished online? If you never want to leave your house, you can work, get educated, shop for pretty much everything, join virtual social groups, even date (I guess?) online. Is that healthy? Good? I needed in person school, in person work, to make friends and build real social networks. I was an early adopter in the 90's of online communities - I'm an introvert - but it is not all the same as in person interaction and not healthy if that's all you have (in my opinion). I do feel if I was growing up now, and able to give in to my base introvert instincts, I could exist (sadly) entirely online.
I think it varies industry to industry, company to company, even on the team/individual level. My wife lives in Houston, for a company/group out of North Carolina, and I think only her boss lives there. Everyone else is spread across the US. They have zero issues working as teams, connecting. She met a lot of them in person for the first time this year and she said it was like they were normal colleagues. Post pandemic they get together for meetings, conferences, something like that at least once a quarter.
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Complete Idiot said:

Pre-pandemic the very large global company I work for was old school, begrudgingly allowing 1 work from home day every 2 weeks - and that only came in like in 2018.

During the pandemic they were forced to change and I think they feel it can work, and actually save money, to allow WFH.

The new policy is up to 3 days a week WFH. Most people seem to like it. It's not being enforced, some maybe come in half day a week - it's being abused by the lower performers or burnt out employees, but many are very happy working from home and state they feel more productive.


Personally, I find I prefer coming in to the office. I need the structure, I like separating work from my home life, I benefit from interacting with coworkers.

It definitely varies by role and individual, but on a large, general scale I struggle to believe productivity will be as high over the long term. In the short term (initial years), established teams full of people who know each other well can probably work well with WFH. But long term, on boarding new people and perhaps eventually having a full team of people that have barely been around each other in person - I struggle to see that "team" working as efficiently. Humans are social animals (generally, not all) and I do think they benefit from interacting in person both professionally and personally - feeling that social connection. I don't think it is the same on Zoom or Teams. Having said that, I'm 50 and maybe just not able to adapt. My kid's generation interacts a LOT online socially, so why would work feel any different to them if it was online connecting only? I get that argument, but I think for my kid's socially, and for professional workers, something is lost - something biologically programmed in to us - if there is no, or limited, in person human interaction. I don't know what the long term impacts are. I also recognize humans are amazingly adaptable, and this may just be a shift in our human experience we adapt to.
Everything in bold are great thoughts. I'm looking forward to the day that we have some case studies comparing Company A to Company B where A opted for hybrid or full time in office and B opted for fully remote. And I want to see metrics across the board: financial, cultural, employee engagement, personal development, etc.

I'm pushing 50 like you and while I was able to adapt to Teams meetings all day every day it still absolutely does not fully replace human interaction. I don't give a damn what the zoomers say (they aren't wise enough to even have an opinion yet frankly) - it simply doesn't because of human biology and instinct. I was a 20 yr veteran that built my team from the ground up so I had long standing relationships and equity as a leader over this team. These folks are basically an extension of my family and still are even now and I've been gone for 2 years. Starting out in a remote situation with an entire team? Good luck. I'm sure you can get to a good place with them but it won't be as easy building trust and familiarity.

Now, if all companies ultimately go online which is probably where we are headed with these younger generations then what I say won't matter because a new baseline will be set and everything will adjust, relatively speaking. Also, I think corporations are generally devolving as places to work because of the propensity of younger folks viewing themselves as mercenaries combined with companies viewing themselves as arms of the federal government in pushing ridiculous political policies. If I was a youngster starting in corporate today, I would probably view myself as a mercenary to the highest bidder as well because I would want nothing to do with the vast majority of corporate cultures that are being built right now.
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htxag09 said:

Complete Idiot said:

Points in those last 2 posts above are what concern me - building professional teams that originate 100% remotely is perhaps not impossible, but I think very difficult and it's very different than existing teams pivoting to WFH at the start of the pandemic. Can we build connections?

And when I read "I save X hours driving, X dollars of gas, more time for myself" I extrapolate that to - OK, can we make that argument for school? For ANYTHING that can potentially be accomplished online? If you never want to leave your house, you can work, get educated, shop for pretty much everything, join virtual social groups, even date (I guess?) online. Is that healthy? Good? I needed in person school, in person work, to make friends and build real social networks. I was an early adopter in the 90's of online communities - I'm an introvert - but it is not all the same as in person interaction and not healthy if that's all you have (in my opinion). I do feel if I was growing up now, and able to give in to my base introvert instincts, I could exist (sadly) entirely online.
I think it varies industry to industry, company to company, even on the team/individual level. My wife lives in Houston, for a company/group out of North Carolina, and I think only her boss lives there. Everyone else is spread across the US. They have zero issues working as teams, connecting. She met a lot of them in person for the first time this year and she said it was like they were normal colleagues. Post pandemic they get together for meetings, conferences, something like that at least once a quarter.
I like hearing the success stories, and totally agree that it would vary by the type of work and maybe most importantly by the company culture.

For you wife's team, what is the equivalent of a break room conversation about gardening? Or your boss dropping by and the conversation turns to kids and hobbies and whatever. Or when seeing a coworker visibly upset and you privately ask if they are doing alright and they share some private story about a sick relative, and they benefit from having an ear to listen.

These are honest questions, can they get those opportunities enough at the quarterly meetups? Or do their online connection tools make it easier to have similar off the cuff moments like that?

And even more importantly, I don't really even know if those interpersonal moments are important to our professional lives. I feel like they are, but I could be totally wrong - or they could be helpful but to such a small degree it is overcome by the benefits of NOT having non-business talk interrupt your 9-5. Do we need to care about our coworkers on a personal level? Does it satisfy some inner basic need of our species to be connected in that way to coworkers? Answers are not the same for everyone, but I'm interested in the the overall impact to a large population of samples.

The rate of change is quite drastic, PC, applications, and network capabilities really only made this possible in last 15 years.

The reliance of humans on technology, on our devices and our software and our network speeds, makes me agree that we are already, in some form, turning in to cyborgs.
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Your point about your wife and her team leads to an important distinction, I think.

It sounds like she started out on a team that was always remote. Meaning no one worked/lived in the same place. That's a bit different from a situation where there is an established team that's worked together in-person for years and then has to incorporate new members who are fully remote.

It's easy to imagine situations where that remote member is never fully accepted into the group, if only because humans are gonna human.

If everyone goes remote, then eventually those discrepancies will work themselves out. But I think those scenarios will have a more difficult adjustment compared to a team like what your wife is on.
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It's both. Her company has had remote positions since like 2015. She's been hybrid, mainly remote since then, went full remote in 2018/2019. She changed teams in 2020. So she was changing to a new team fully remote, but the team had already been in place, some of them worked together, some didn't. And since they've hired people completely new to the company.

ETA: Also, I joined my current company in early 2021 when they were still 100% remote. So I was joining a completely established team, 100% remote. The way they used technology available, I still felt more apart of a team then my previous job which was 100% in the office. Part of the reason I left after only being there 6ish months. We're now hybrid, which I prefer, but I never felt left out, isolated, or like I didn't know who to reach out to for certain things when we were 100% remote.
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Complete Idiot said:

htxag09 said:

Complete Idiot said:

Points in those last 2 posts above are what concern me - building professional teams that originate 100% remotely is perhaps not impossible, but I think very difficult and it's very different than existing teams pivoting to WFH at the start of the pandemic. Can we build connections?

And when I read "I save X hours driving, X dollars of gas, more time for myself" I extrapolate that to - OK, can we make that argument for school? For ANYTHING that can potentially be accomplished online? If you never want to leave your house, you can work, get educated, shop for pretty much everything, join virtual social groups, even date (I guess?) online. Is that healthy? Good? I needed in person school, in person work, to make friends and build real social networks. I was an early adopter in the 90's of online communities - I'm an introvert - but it is not all the same as in person interaction and not healthy if that's all you have (in my opinion). I do feel if I was growing up now, and able to give in to my base introvert instincts, I could exist (sadly) entirely online.
I think it varies industry to industry, company to company, even on the team/individual level. My wife lives in Houston, for a company/group out of North Carolina, and I think only her boss lives there. Everyone else is spread across the US. They have zero issues working as teams, connecting. She met a lot of them in person for the first time this year and she said it was like they were normal colleagues. Post pandemic they get together for meetings, conferences, something like that at least once a quarter.
I like hearing the success stories, and totally agree that it would vary by the type of work and maybe most importantly by the company culture.

For you wife's team, what is the equivalent of a break room conversation about gardening? Or your boss dropping by and the conversation turns to kids and hobbies and whatever. Or when seeing a coworker visibly upset and you privately ask if they are doing alright and they share some private story about a sick relative, and they benefit from having an ear to listen.

These are honest questions, can they get those opportunities enough at the quarterly meetups? Or do their online connection tools make it easier to have similar off the cuff moments like that?

And even more importantly, I don't really even know if those interpersonal moments are important to our professional lives. I feel like they are, but I could be totally wrong - or they could be helpful but to such a small degree it is overcome by the benefits of NOT having non-business talk interrupt your 9-5. Do we need to care about our coworkers on a personal level? Does it satisfy some inner basic need of our species to be connected in that way to coworkers? Answers are not the same for everyone, but I'm interested in the the overall impact to a large population of samples.

The rate of change is quite drastic, PC, applications, and network capabilities really only made this possible in last 15 years.

The reliance of humans on technology, on our devices and our software and our network speeds, makes me agree that we are already, in some form, turning in to cyborgs.
They use their chat and call features quite often. For them, it's the equivalent of dropping into someone's office. It's pretty common for her to get off a call then to call one of her team members and chat about it, then bs for a few minutes. They also do occasional "virtual happy hours" where they stop work a little early, grab a drink, and just get on a group call and talk about what everyone has going on outside of work. She (and me) thought it was silly at first but it's a good chance for her to casually chat with her team.
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The companies who had remote and/or hybrid options pre-Covid are definitely ahead of the curve.

I work on a team where, until very recently, my peers had all been in their positions and worked together for over 20 years. I was the least senior (coming up on 10 years later this year).

One worked in a different physical location than the rest of us, and honestly, that really impaired our ability to work with him. He was like an island all to himself. He was the most senior of us all, so he got a lot of leeway/freedom just based on his track record, but when he retired, a conscious decision was made that we would not have someone at his location going forward. Just too much disconnect.
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The virtual happy hour is something my company's technology team is good at, my group is not that socially adept when it comes to making the best of WFH. We are a smaller team full of older people, which could make me worry about things on a larger scale that aren't valid.

I like hearing the success stories, makes me worry less about the future and wait awaits my kids.
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Right. I'm speaking more to the previous poster and choosing how high you want to climb the corporate ladder.

Quite a few software engineers @ my company are earning $375-$450K+, and I don't think most of them are allowed to go fully remote.

Many competitors won't pay as much, but WFH is more flexible. Everyone has their ratio/trade-off.

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TXTransplant said:

The companies who had remote and/or hybrid options pre-Covid are definitely ahead of the curve.

I work on a team where, until very recently, my peers had all been in their positions and worked together for over 20 years. I was the least senior (coming up on 10 years later this year).

One worked in a different physical location than the rest of us, and honestly, that really impaired our ability to work with him. He was like an island all to himself. He was the most senior of us all, so he got a lot of leeway/freedom just based on his track record, but when he retired, a conscious decision was made that we would not have someone at his location going forward. Just too much disconnect.
Yeah, I'll preface by saying I'm firmly in the camp of the production increase being overexaggerated. I've shared stories here of several cases where WFH has caused issues. And obviously every industry and business are different, some just can't have WFH.

But cases like yours are interesting and complex. If your job truly allows WFH, or at least hybrid, but you aren't making the switch simply because everyone is old school and worked together for 20 years and wants everyone to be in person, you're going to struggle. Eventually those people are going to leave, you need to be constantly bringing in and retaining talent to replace them. If your peers are doing hybrid or WFH, you'll struggle. Just my opinion.
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I tend to agree with you. You can't avoid change just because "it's the way we've always done it".

And my team is probably pretty unique within my company. Probably not so much 5 years ago, but with Covid and rising interest rates, we've had tons of retirements.

I don't care for WFH for more personal reasons, but your point above is a valid one. In another 10 years, when three of us are ready to retire, I think it's going to be even harder to find replacements who are willing to come into the office. Especially because our specific job is very well-suited for WFH (if you're not a newly), and the hiring pool will likely have many candidates who have been doing it for a long time.

As a side note, I think our most recent hire had been WFH in at least one previous position. He seems more than happy to be back in an office a few days a week!
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I'm curious where people fall on using video as part of the teams/zoom/webex experience.

I'm in an industry where almost no one turns their video on as we're sharing documents etc when on calls. I find it to be increasingly difficult as I start working with people I've never met to be able to get good reads on them just by voice alone. Early on it was easier as I knew the vast majority of my group.... that has and will continue to change though which will make things harder.
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Caliber said:

I'm curious where people fall on using video as part of the teams/zoom/webex experience.

I'm in an industry where almost no one turns their video on as we're sharing documents etc when on calls. I find it to be increasingly difficult as I start working with people I've never met to be able to get good reads on them just by voice alone. Early on it was easier as I knew the vast majority of my group.... that has and will continue to change though which will make things harder.



We have a "cameras on" policy in all of our gatherings. It doesn't mean you can't go off if you have a reason (you're eating, somebody comes in the room, etc.) but the general rule is camera on.

My company is full time remote and was before the pandemic. I definitely think it is different if you started out with that mindset vs. begrudgingly pivoting to it.

I think a lot of companies will fail to make the transition simply because too many people in charge have no interest in it. That is fine and might be the right approach depending on the industry - I'm just saying, mindset and approach make a big difference.

I loved when I worked in an office. It was great and if I lived near by, I'd have wanted to be in office every day. But I didn't live near by - I rode the train from the suburbs. That commute was soul sucking (train was better than driving, but still). That alone is enough to keep me remote.
 
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