Blockfi files bankruptcy

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Adverse Event
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I'm getting sore from shaking my head and saying "told ya so" to far too many friends, family and strangers.

People constantly trying to "get ahead" by making exceptionally risky bets with "trusted" third parties for an IOU that is unaccountable.


The next big scrutiny lies with Coinbase. Get it off exchange, same with Binance (who's allegedly moved $2B bitcoin into new wallets).
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Adverse Event said:

I'm getting sore from shaking my head and saying "told ya so" to far too many friends, family and strangers.

People constantly trying to "get ahead" by making exceptionally risky bets with "trusted" third parties for an IOU that is unaccountable.


The next big scrutiny lies with Coinbase. Get it off exchange, same with Binance (who's allegedly moved $2B bitcoin into new wallets).
I moved all my ETH2 which I had staked off of coinbase before Thanksgiving.

have to "wrap it" into ceETH and then convert into BTC and then take to my cold storage Ledger Wallet

so all my crypto is now off coinbase.

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BCG Disciple
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Crypto noob question - where is a quick and simple resource for getting of an exchange? I'm in coinbase now.
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Buy a Ledger cold wallet and the directions it comes with are pretty simple.

I am a total idiot when it comes to this type of stuff and it was not complicated at all.
barnag
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I had an issue with my ledger keeping any kind of charge. It worked for a few seconds and then nothing. Anybody have that issue?
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Which ledger device? S or X?
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I haven't used a hot wallet in awhile but I used Exodus back in the day. I would only do this if you don't have a hardware wallet in hand or you have ****coins that the hardware wallet doesn't support and are determined to keep them.

I would advocate converting all ****coins to BTC and moving to cold storage but understand you might view things differently.
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I won't understand.
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BCG Disciple said:

Crypto noob question - where is a quick and simple resource for getting of an exchange? I'm in coinbase now.
I don't think it is that easy to use the Ledger, you have to really google and understand the type of cold wallet you have.

I would DEFINITELY do test runs on your withdrawals. I took out all my deposits in $500 tranches over the course of a few days to ensure each one successfully cleared first.

https://www.ledger.com/migrating-from-your-crypto-assets-from-coinbase
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Pepper Brooks said:

Which ledger device? S or X?
Ledger Nano X
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Could be a dud if it's newish. Mine runs for 8-12 hours if I'm using it a lot.
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Most unsurprising bankruptcy ever. Should expect many, many more. I would also say this is completely normal considering this industry is still in frontier stage. The losers will be culled.
94chem
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Why would you expect Coinbase to be more likely to fail than any other publicly traded company that doesn't make an actual product? They're no different than any other bank, utility company, or social media platform... They push electrons around, and have virtually no identifiable assets.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
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Didn't say coinbase would fail, I said get it off coinbase.

Why would you want bitcoin to be converted to poker chips and IOU's at a ****coin casino, unless youre a degenerate gambler.
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I hear ADA is the real deal, for what it's worth.
BQ2001
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I'm done with Coinbase now that they have forced everyone to Plaid to onboard fiat.
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Avoid Plaid like the plague. They've been sued(class action) once, possibly twice, for misusing user data.
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Pepper Brooks said:

Avoid Plaid like the plague. They've been sued(class action) once, possibly twice, for misusing user data.

Didn't know this. Several things I use go through Plaid. I assumed it was ok since it's seemingly everywhere.

What does everyone think of Coinbase Wallet? It's a separate app than Coinbase and you hold the keys.
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A friend urged me over a year ago to dig in to the differences between BTC and alt-coins. I did that, converted it all to BTC, and then put it into cold storage. #thankamaxi
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It's still a hot wallet. I'd get a coldcard, ledger, or trezor and go from there.

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Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

A friend urged me over a year ago to dig in to the differences between BTC and alt-coins. I did that, converted it all to BTC, and then put it into cold storage. #thankamaxi


Sure, if holding the most stable asset in a Ponzi scheme is your goal. But if that's your goal, why not just buy government debt?
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
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94chem said:

Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

A friend urged me over a year ago to dig in to the differences between BTC and alt-coins. I did that, converted it all to BTC, and then put it into cold storage. #thankamaxi


Sure, if holding the most stable asset in a Ponzi scheme is your goal. But if that's your goal, why not just buy government debt?


"A Ponzi scheme (/pnzi/, Italian: [pontsi]) is a form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors.[1] Named after Italian businessman Charles Ponzi, the scheme leads victims to believe that profits are coming from legitimate business activity (e.g., product sales or successful investments), and they remain unaware that other investors are the source of funds. A Ponzi scheme can maintain the illusion of a sustainable business as long as new investors contribute new funds, and as long as most of the investors do not demand full repayment and still believe in the non-existent assets they are purported to own."

FTX appears to meet this definition. I don't see how Bitcoin does. It may fail, but it's not a Ponzi.
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It's 94chem, I forgot who he was.

94chem, just stic with doing nothing. The CBDC will be a perfect fit for your personality and behavior. You're gonna do great in CCP CBDC Amerika.

Don't worry about us.
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Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

94chem said:

Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

A friend urged me over a year ago to dig in to the differences between BTC and alt-coins. I did that, converted it all to BTC, and then put it into cold storage. #thankamaxi


Sure, if holding the most stable asset in a Ponzi scheme is your goal. But if that's your goal, why not just buy government debt?


"A Ponzi scheme (/pnzi/, Italian: [pontsi]) is a form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors.[1] Named after Italian businessman Charles Ponzi, the scheme leads victims to believe that profits are coming from legitimate business activity (e.g., product sales or successful investments), and they remain unaware that other investors are the source of funds. A Ponzi scheme can maintain the illusion of a sustainable business as long as new investors contribute new funds, and as long as most of the investors do not demand full repayment and still believe in the non-existent assets they are purported to own."

FTX appears to meet this definition. I don't see how Bitcoin does. It may fail, but it's not a Ponzi.
Fine, now do government debt.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
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94chem said:

Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

94chem said:

Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

A friend urged me over a year ago to dig in to the differences between BTC and alt-coins. I did that, converted it all to BTC, and then put it into cold storage. #thankamaxi


Sure, if holding the most stable asset in a Ponzi scheme is your goal. But if that's your goal, why not just buy government debt?


"A Ponzi scheme (/pnzi/, Italian: [pontsi]) is a form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors.[1] Named after Italian businessman Charles Ponzi, the scheme leads victims to believe that profits are coming from legitimate business activity (e.g., product sales or successful investments), and they remain unaware that other investors are the source of funds. A Ponzi scheme can maintain the illusion of a sustainable business as long as new investors contribute new funds, and as long as most of the investors do not demand full repayment and still believe in the non-existent assets they are purported to own."

FTX appears to meet this definition. I don't see how Bitcoin does. It may fail, but it's not a Ponzi.
Fine, now do government debt.


If you're asking if the central-bank fiat-money system effectively behaves like a Ponzi, I do think an argument can be made that it does. BTW, Bitcoin fixes this.

If you want to get a handle on this, read the books The Price of Tomorrow and The Bitcoin Standard.
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Can you use BTC to buy things if it's on a cold storage device?
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Yes.
94chem
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Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

94chem said:

Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

94chem said:

Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

A friend urged me over a year ago to dig in to the differences between BTC and alt-coins. I did that, converted it all to BTC, and then put it into cold storage. #thankamaxi


Sure, if holding the most stable asset in a Ponzi scheme is your goal. But if that's your goal, why not just buy government debt?


"A Ponzi scheme (/pnzi/, Italian: [pontsi]) is a form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors.[1] Named after Italian businessman Charles Ponzi, the scheme leads victims to believe that profits are coming from legitimate business activity (e.g., product sales or successful investments), and they remain unaware that other investors are the source of funds. A Ponzi scheme can maintain the illusion of a sustainable business as long as new investors contribute new funds, and as long as most of the investors do not demand full repayment and still believe in the non-existent assets they are purported to own."

FTX appears to meet this definition. I don't see how Bitcoin does. It may fail, but it's not a Ponzi.
Fine, now do government debt.


If you're asking if the central-bank fiat-money system effectively behaves like a Ponzi, I do think an argument can be made that it does. BTW, Bitcoin fixes this.

If you want to get a handle on this, read the books The Price of Tomorrow and The Bitcoin Standard.
I get that. I don't know if anybody has done this or even could do this, but I wonder what the breakdown is between true believers and currency traders.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
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94chem said:

Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

94chem said:

Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

94chem said:

Its Texas Aggies, dammit said:

A friend urged me over a year ago to dig in to the differences between BTC and alt-coins. I did that, converted it all to BTC, and then put it into cold storage. #thankamaxi


Sure, if holding the most stable asset in a Ponzi scheme is your goal. But if that's your goal, why not just buy government debt?


"A Ponzi scheme (/pnzi/, Italian: [pontsi]) is a form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors.[1] Named after Italian businessman Charles Ponzi, the scheme leads victims to believe that profits are coming from legitimate business activity (e.g., product sales or successful investments), and they remain unaware that other investors are the source of funds. A Ponzi scheme can maintain the illusion of a sustainable business as long as new investors contribute new funds, and as long as most of the investors do not demand full repayment and still believe in the non-existent assets they are purported to own."

FTX appears to meet this definition. I don't see how Bitcoin does. It may fail, but it's not a Ponzi.
Fine, now do government debt.


If you're asking if the central-bank fiat-money system effectively behaves like a Ponzi, I do think an argument can be made that it does. BTW, Bitcoin fixes this.

If you want to get a handle on this, read the books The Price of Tomorrow and The Bitcoin Standard.
I get that. I don't know if anybody has done this or even could do this, but I wonder what the breakdown is between true believers and currency traders.


I don't know. That would be interesting. I'd expect that most bitcoiners buy and hold while most alt-coin people trade.
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Crypto exchange Kraken lays off 1,100 employees

PUBLISHED WED, NOV 30 202211:36 AM ESTUPDATED AN HOUR AGO


KEY POINTS
  • Kraken, the world's third-largest crypto exchange by volume, is laying off about 30% of employees, its CEO said.
  • The company pointed to slowing macroeconomic and geopolitical factors as driving the weakening in crypto markets.
  • It comes on the same day that DoorDash announced 1,250 job cuts and amid massive turmoil in the crypto space.
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I can't imagine the data point being relevant.

The percentage just increases, true believers, as the rest of the things that have been "trusted" prove to be untrustworthy at any angle.
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Has anyone ever considered holding general USD on their cold wallet? With the threat of financial institutions to go rogue with your money and being hesitant to literally convert everything to Bitcoin, I am trying to think of alternatives in a scenario where banks are no longer trustworthy at all.
terradactylexpress
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Can you give a for dummies overview of how that works?
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Madagascar said:

Has anyone ever considered holding general USD on their cold wallet? With the threat of financial institutions to go rogue with your money and being hesitant to literally convert everything to Bitcoin, I am trying to think of alternatives in a scenario where banks are no longer trustworthy at all.


The US dollar is like a melting ice cube. Think about the fact that about 40% of the dollars that have ever existed have been created in the last 2-3 years. It is the best house in a bad neighborhood.

In contrast, while this is by no means a perfect analogy, you could think of bitcoin as a form of digital gold. While approximately 2% new gold is discovered every year, bitcoin has a fixed maximal supply of 21,000,000. Also, the amount of new bitcoin that miners can produce decreases programmatically every four years. In the year 2140, there will be no more bitcoin to mine.

This programmatic feature of bitcoin tends to produce a supply shock which results in an increase in bitcoin's price and a subsequent crash to a new floor price that is at or near the maximum price at the prior four year cycle.

Combine this with the fact that, unlike gold, bitcoin can be easily stored and transmitted virtually instantaneously at a very low price, and you can see why it is appealing to people.

Plus, if you can remember a sequence of 12 words, you can take your bitcoin with you anywhere in the world and nobody can take it away from you. They can shoot you and take your gold, but if they threaten to shoot you and you don't want to give them your bitcoin, your bitcoin goes to the grave with you.

If you want to dig in to this more, check out Greg Foss or Jesse Myers. They are both very knowledgeable but explain things in clear and simple terms.
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