Whats your inflation number?

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jamey
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Because me and my wife use a joint account for bills, mortgage, groceries, it was pretty easy to calculate our effective inflation for cost of living, food, shelter, electricity...etc


Were right at 9.5% in 2022. This probably does not account for some trimming down we did just by being more aware of our expenses. Buy less junk food...etc

Anyone else getting around this number?
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High . Buc ees beef jerky is too expensive
jamey
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txaggieacct85 said:

High . Buc ees beef jerky is too expensive



Bacon is my single item, more than doubled
Diggity
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Just had to run this exercise for the tax man. I'm at around a 9% increase for basic utilities.

since my mortgage payment is fixed, the total increase would be smaller.

9.5% sounds high unless your property taxes went crazy.
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Diggity said:

Just had to run this exercise for the tax man. I'm at around a 9% increase for basic utilities.

since my mortgage payment is fixed, the total increase would be smaller.

9.5% sounds high unless your property taxes went crazy.


Property taxes did indeed go crazy. I bought the house about 4 years ago and they've been assessing at my purchase price until this past year.
TXTransplant
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Interesting exercise. I went back to 2020. Some of the comparisons are off because of changes in personal spending habits. I have mine broken down into categories because that's how I track expenses.

Utilities (electricity, water, and gas)
2022 is up 47% compared to 2020 and 60% compared to 2021. That's heavily skewed towards electricity costs, but I did spend more on water last year thanks to new sod.

Auto/gas (includes auto repairs, and one of my cars is a Boxster)
2022 is 1.6x 2020 (I inherited the car in late 2019) and up 24% over 2021. The 2021-2022 comparison should be a fair look at the effect of increased gas prices.

Cable/phone/internet
2022 is down 13% compared to 2020 and down 15% compared to 2021

Groceries (this includes household items, too)
2022 is up 37% compared to 2020 and down 4% compared to 2021. I did change my eating habits in 2021, and that increased my bill, but inflation is much worse in this category. My grocery expenses have doubled since 2017.

Property taxes
2022 is up 0.5% compared to 2020 and 1.5% compared to 2021. I've protested multiple times over the years, and it's paid off here because my market value went up 26% between 2021 and 2022.

Home owners insurance (includes FEMA flood insurance)
2022 is up 2.2% compared to 2020 and 0.5% compared to 2021. I'm very surprised this isn't worse.

Auto insurance (I have an 18 year old)
2022 is up 57% compared to 2020 (the year he turned 16) and down 4% compared to 2021.
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I suspect we are going to settle in at 5% to 6% for the next 2 to 3 years, and the pundits will start telling you that this is normal and healthy. Millennials and Gen Zers that have no savings or major capital assets will get crushed, and it's somewhat satisfying because they are largely voting for their own demise. I do feel bad for the younger conservatives, but trust the cream will rise to the top and they will persevere.
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TXTransplant said:

Interesting exercise. I went back to 2020. Some of the comparisons are off because of changes in personal spending habits. I have mine broken down into categories because that's how I track expenses.

Utilities (electricity, water, and gas)
2022 is up 47% compared to 2020 and 60% compared to 2021. That's heavily skewed towards electricity costs, but I did spend more on water last year thanks to new sod.

Auto/gas (includes auto repairs, and one of my cars is a Boxster)
2022 is 1.6x 2020 (I inherited the car in late 2019) and up 24% over 2021. The 2021-2022 comparison should be a fair look at the effect of increased gas prices.

Cable/phone/internet
2022 is down 13% compared to 2020 and down 15% compared to 2021

Groceries (this includes household items, too)
2022 is up 37% compared to 2020 and down 4% compared to 2021. I did change my eating habits in 2021, and that increased my bill, but inflation is much worse in this category. My grocery expenses have doubled since 2017.

Property taxes
2022 is up 0.5% compared to 2020 and 1.5% compared to 2021. I've protested multiple times over the years, and it's paid off here because my market value went up 26% between 2021 and 2022.

Home owners insurance (includes FEMA flood insurance)
2022 is up 2.2% compared to 2020 and 0.5% compared to 2021. I'm very surprised this isn't worse.

Auto insurance (I have an 18 year old)
2022 is up 57% compared to 2020 (the year he turned 16) and down 4% compared to 2021.

Interesting exercise indeed, but I have a question. For utilities, are you comparing your bill amounts or rates? Shouldn't you just be looking at the rates being charged if you are trying to determine inflation? I ask because you mentioned spending more on water due to new sod. If you are simply using more water, then how does that imply inflation? Also, you mention changing eating habits. Same thing, if you are not comparing prices of specific items, now vs. then, and just looking at your total grocery bill, regardless of what you bought then vs. now, what does that actually say about inflation?

Just something I was wondering....
TXTransplant
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That's why I put my qualifying statements in.

Electricity rates had more than doubled when I came up for renewal last year. Water is pretty much the same, but I did use more over a few months. I think most of that increase is due to electricity rates, though.

My changes in eating habits can't explain the entire increase in food costs. I can give plenty of anecdotal examples on that. Salmon that two years ago was $15 for four filets is now $19.
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Found some HEB curbside orders on my account from 2019. That was interesting to go through.
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jtraggie99 said:

TXTransplant said:

Interesting exercise. I went back to 2020. Some of the comparisons are off because of changes in personal spending habits. I have mine broken down into categories because that's how I track expenses.

Utilities (electricity, water, and gas)
2022 is up 47% compared to 2020 and 60% compared to 2021. That's heavily skewed towards electricity costs, but I did spend more on water last year thanks to new sod.

Auto/gas (includes auto repairs, and one of my cars is a Boxster)
2022 is 1.6x 2020 (I inherited the car in late 2019) and up 24% over 2021. The 2021-2022 comparison should be a fair look at the effect of increased gas prices.

Cable/phone/internet
2022 is down 13% compared to 2020 and down 15% compared to 2021

Groceries (this includes household items, too)
2022 is up 37% compared to 2020 and down 4% compared to 2021. I did change my eating habits in 2021, and that increased my bill, but inflation is much worse in this category. My grocery expenses have doubled since 2017.

Property taxes
2022 is up 0.5% compared to 2020 and 1.5% compared to 2021. I've protested multiple times over the years, and it's paid off here because my market value went up 26% between 2021 and 2022.

Home owners insurance (includes FEMA flood insurance)
2022 is up 2.2% compared to 2020 and 0.5% compared to 2021. I'm very surprised this isn't worse.

Auto insurance (I have an 18 year old)
2022 is up 57% compared to 2020 (the year he turned 16) and down 4% compared to 2021.

Interesting exercise indeed, but I have a question. For utilities, are you comparing your bill amounts or rates? Shouldn't you just be looking at the rates being charged if you are trying to determine inflation? I ask because you mentioned spending more on water due to new sod. If you are simply using more water, then how does that imply inflation? Also, you mention changing eating habits. Same thing, if you are not comparing prices of specific items, now vs. then, and just looking at your total grocery bill, regardless of what you bought then vs. now, what does that actually say about inflation?

Just something I was wondering....
Exactly. Electric rates would be the part impacted by inflation, but the bill could well go up due to usage and all sorts of add-ons to the bills one year that were not there in previous years. Similarly, gasoline. Not only is it the price per gallon but the miles driven one year to the next. Groceries would be nearly impossible unless you bought the exact same thing during each period of comparison.

Having said that, there is no doubt almost everything is up, and much of it way up. Just hard to quantify into some overall number, some percentage of increase. I bought a load of rock for our RV park. In 2021, we were paying $590 to $680, in 2022 was in the $700 and something range, but a couple of weeks ago it was nearly $1,000. Sold by volume so some of the variance could be that, didn't really look at the price per unit. Not wanting to write the check!
jamey
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I got my number because we had to increase our budget for bills and decrease the budget for savings so that made for a simple calculation just shifting money from 1 bucket to another to make up for an increases cost in 2022
TXTransplant
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That's why I posted the way I did. My electricity usage was up in 2020 because we were home for several months. But since going back to work, it's gone back down to normal. But like I said, when I renewed my contract last year, base rates had doubled (or more). My expense didn't double because rate is only one part of the bill (there are transmission fees). And since I lump all utilities together and know I used more water for a couple months of last year, that skews it. But I know that rate increase is a big part of that increase

Same thing with auto/gas and insurance. I added a second driver and car, but I know a lot of the jump in 2022 was due to gas prices.

And like you pointed out with groceries, no one buys the exact same things all the time. But we've all watched the things we buy on a regular basis go up over the last few years.

So, I think what a lot of us are seeing is normal fluctuations in personal spending PLUS inflation on top of that. And some of those increases are just ugly.

And I know in my industry, raises are still the standard 2-3% annually. So there Is definitely a gap between salary growth and inflation.

I think another point that's worth discussing is controlling expenses, but also how much time and effort is involved in shopping around. You know it's a problem when there are subscription services with companies that will "shop around" almost every bill or service for you.

My cable expenses went down because I cut my ATT services back to very basic cable and internet. But to do that took OVER an hour on the phone with a service rep.

It took me a long time to even find an electricity plan that was only double my previous rate.

The last time I shopped insurance, a company would come back low on auto and high on homeowners (or vice versa), and it ended up being a wash or very minimal savings.

The last time I got a new cell phone, I spent hours on the phone with Sprint because they wouldn't honor their own promotion and for months over charged my bill.

I know I can't be the only one frustrated with how difficult it's become to get stuff done. For all the websites and online accounts (that I have to keep track of passwords and usernames for), more often than not, making a change requires a call to a customer service that is understaffed and has ridiculously long wait times. Then you get a rep on the phone and they transfer you five different times, and you pray you don't get disconnected. That exact scenario happened to me with Fidelity the other day. Transferred to 5 different people and was on the phone for 20+ min before getting disconnected. And I hadn't spoken to anyone who could do what I needed done.

God help you if you have a medical issue and need to deal with a health insurance company or billing office.

Sorry about the rant, and I've gone off topic. But I've been really feeling the squeeze not just from inflation but the value of my own time when it comes to managing this stuff. It shouldn't take a hours on the phone with all of the companies you do business with to keep your bills under control.
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I think hybrid work schedule making numbers not look as bad for a lot of people when compared to pre-covid. For me 2 less days to the office per week equals less clothes to dry clean, less use of toll tag (which is more expensive but still end up ahead), less gas, less car mileage which probably means less maintenance but not worth running the math, less happy hours/out to eat for lunch. I personally don't know many people that are in the office 5 days a week like before. Inflation impact is for sure there but hybrid work has helped.
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My electrical rate doubled too, but a few months ago I canceled and found one that was only 25% higher. It will pay for the cancelation fee within a few months


We also added a 3rd driver but instead of bundling our home and auto insurance we went with a insurance broker who actually saved us money compared to the previous year by separating home and auto
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AggieMainland said:

I think hybrid work schedule making numbers not look as bad for a lot of people when compared to pre-covid. For me 2 less days to the office per week equals less clothes to dry clean, less use of toll tag (which is more expensive but still end up ahead), less gas, less car mileage which probably means less maintenance but not worth running the math, less happy hours/out to eat for lunch. I personally don't know many people that are in the office 5 days a week like before. Inflation impact is for sure there but hybrid work has helped.



I agree that's hiding some inflation for some.

For me, I went back into the office November of 2020 so I only saw the gas and wear and tear on my auto savings for 8 months
TXTransplant
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Yeah, I've thought about the broker route. But it seems like everyone I talk to ends up getting hosed after a few years. Meaning one policy or the other jumps to some crazy amount. I've opted to stay bundled because I've got an umbrella policy, too. I know a broker gets paid to shop everything around, but I've always been reluctant to try it. And I'm not seeing the huge jump in premiums that others are reporting, so I feel like it's a bad time to poke the bear.

The electricity thing goes along with my post above. I just don't have time to go down the rabbit hole to jump around, constantly looking for lower rates. It annoys me that I even have to do it when my contract expires. And I know there are companies that will do this for you, but again, one more monthly subscription. It's just gotten ridiculous (as I shake my fist to the clouds and yell at the clouds).
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That's the thing, you have to jump thru the rabbit hole to save money on insurance.

On electricity at least you can get Energy Ogre for $10 a month to do it for you.

I was planning to call energy Ogre on an off day because I knew rates were coming down from the doubling I had to sign up for months prior.


But they emailed me before I picked up the phone stating the same and asked me a few questions, took like 20 seconds of my time.
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TXTransplant said:

That's why I posted the way I did. My electricity usage was up in 2020 because we were home for several months. But since going back to work, it's gone back down to normal. But like I said, when I renewed my contract last year, base rates had doubled (or more). My expense didn't double because rate is only one part of the bill (there are transmission fees). And since I lump all utilities together and know I used more water for a couple months of last year, that skews it. But I know that rate increase is a big part of that increase

Same thing with auto/gas and insurance. I added a second driver and car, but I know a lot of the jump in 2022 was due to gas prices.

And like you pointed out with groceries, no one buys the exact same things all the time. But we've all watched the things we buy on a regular basis go up over the last few years.

So, I think what a lot of us are seeing is normal fluctuations in personal spending PLUS inflation on top of that. And some of those increases are just ugly.

And I know in my industry, raises are still the standard 2-3% annually. So there Is definitely a gap between salary growth and inflation.

I think another point that's worth discussing is controlling expenses, but also how much time and effort is involved in shopping around. You know it's a problem when there are subscription services with companies that will "shop around" almost every bill or service for you.

My cable expenses went down because I cut my ATT services back to very basic cable and internet. But to do that took OVER an hour on the phone with a service rep.

It took me a long time to even find an electricity plan that was only double my previous rate.

The last time I shopped insurance, a company would come back low on auto and high on homeowners (or vice versa), and it ended up being a wash or very minimal savings.

The last time I got a new cell phone, I spent hours on the phone with Sprint because they wouldn't honor their own promotion and for months over charged my bill.

I know I can't be the only one frustrated with how difficult it's become to get stuff done. For all the websites and online accounts (that I have to keep track of passwords and usernames for), more often than not, making a change requires a call to a customer service that is understaffed and has ridiculously long wait times. Then you get a rep on the phone and they transfer you five different times, and you pray you don't get disconnected. That exact scenario happened to me with Fidelity the other day. Transferred to 5 different people and was on the phone for 20+ min before getting disconnected. And I hadn't spoken to anyone who could do what I needed done.

God help you if you have a medical issue and need to deal with a health insurance company or billing office.

Sorry about the rant, and I've gone off topic. But I've been really feeling the squeeze not just from inflation but the value of my own time when it comes to managing this stuff. It shouldn't take a hours on the phone with all of the companies you do business with to keep your bills under control.
Hope I didn't come across as making light of your analysis because you put in a lot of work to do the comparison. My point is how difficult it is to get an actual percentage increase. The thing is though, and your numbers show it, the cost of so many things is up so much, no matter the exact percentage increase. Normally things go up, but in such small amounts they are not noticeable, but that is not the case now. Also, now it seems almost everything has had a pretty big price increase, not just one or two things.

As to your bolded part, all I can say is Amen. Last April/May I had something like 25 to 28 service calls for my RV park internet. Windstream is the only game in town and that is never good. First guy told me my wireless was being killed by a T Mobile tower across the highway. That technician is a known liar so I persisted. On five or six occasions, the technicians (wound up dealing with four different ones) said they came out to the location but they didn't. I got a text to rate his or her work after he or she "came out" to the location, but they had never showed. They insisted they did but I said they must be ghosts as they didn't show up on my security cameras.

Eventually, went to fiber. The bill included charges for both the old internet (DSL) and the new internet (fiber). Called, supposed to refund me (refund of about $200 more than it should have been) but still haven't gotten the check. Supposedly fixed the billing issue. Next bill was another duplicate billing. Then, three or four days later, they showed my amount due as zero. Then they established a second account. The billing on it was correct, but they still show me owing the duplicate billing on the first account as well as the correct amount on the new account. They always put me "on a really quick hold" while they ask someone something about my situation. Four or five times per call.

It is just frustrating as hell to try and deal with what should be a simple matter. And none of these people (so far) have been of Indian and Pakistani ancestry so at least we can understand each other, but the problem is still not resolved.
TXTransplant
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Oh no, not at all. Your post above is basically what I was trying to say, and you probably said it better.

Expenses go up for a lot of reasons, but like you noted, inflation is a much bigger contributing factor right now.

And I agree, it's not so much the exact percentage that matters as much as the fact that the increases are so much larger that they are harder to absorb. And, as you also noted, they are affecting almost every major expense/purchase.

The cost of consumable household and consumer goods (including groceries) is really what's killing me. Those purchases are have been pretty consistent for me since early 2021, and I've seen certain items as much as double in price over a few months. It's the example that everyone likes to fall back to right now, but just look at the price of eggs. I've observed similar increases in the price of a lot of the things I repurchase on a regular basis over the last couple of years. Shopping takes me longer now because I'm price-comparing SO many things. And you really have to pay attention because retailers like Amazon and Walmart (online) do employ dynamic pricing. You can't just save items to your cart and repurchase and expect it to cost the same (or even similar) as when you last purchased.

And I appreciate the Amen. I've been stewing on that one for a while. I take a lot of pride in managing my life/budget/finances, and the idea of having to outsource something as mundane as your electricity provider just blows my mind. But that's where we are because of how difficult and complicated even the simplest of tasks has become.
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