What say you Texags?

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This is from an email that I received from my banker. He gets these from a company called TIB Capital Markets. This seems pretty spot on to me. We keep raising interest rates and no one is pulling back. I was at a restaurant (nothing special.) in Wimberly last night and the wait was 3 hours. (We didn't wait lol.) I feel like the fed keeps raising rates and people keep spending. People are starting to buy homes again. Is this a lul? a calm before a bigger storm? Thought's?


"The benchmark 10-year treasury yield has been creeping its way up this month from a low in the 3.30% range to this morning's 3.71%. During the same period, the 2-year treasury is up from 4.10% at the beginning of the month to this morning's 4.50%. The importance of choosing those two bonds is that the 2-year is a proxy for fed funds or short rates in general that are most impacted by Federal Reserve policy, and the 10-year yield reflects long-term inflation expectations.
Given the 10-year yield is so much lower than the 2-year, the market is signaling two things: A belief that long-term inflation is not a problem and that it is likely the FOMC will tighten rates to the point it pushes the economy into a recession and ultimately lower rates.
How infallible is this logic? Just last summer traders were betting the Federal Reserve would be cutting rates by now in the belief inflation would quickly subside and pave the way for the central bank to shift its focus to shoring up growth. Of course, this has not come to pass and indeed the FOMC orchestrated its eighth straight increase in the Fed's benchmark rate last on Feb. 1st. Traders were forced to capitulate on that notion months ago and have pushed back their predictions for a rate cut to September. In fact, currently fed funds futures contracts have priced in three 25 basis point cuts by Jan. 2024.
In my opinion, the market is wrong. They are looking at the current bout of inflation through the lens of the last 25 years of history. I hate to sound like an old codger but I don't think enough traders have been around long enough to realize the threat before us. I will admit both bond and stock markets naturally want to rally. It is just hard-wired into the system. It's how everyone makes money. However, there are structural changes that ensure base-line inflation will be elevated. As Neel Kashkari, president of the Minneapolis Fed and former investment banker and trader, said recently, "I've spent enough time around Wall Street to know they are culturally, institutionally, optimistic." He had a warning for investors: If they doubt the central bank's resolve to properly finish the job on inflation, even at the cost of putting millions of Americans out of work, they are mistaken. "They are going to lose the game of chicken, I can tell you that."
As I mentioned before, a key point about the latest rally: It's not helping the Fed at all in its effort to quell inflation and may paradoxically force the Fed to raise rates higher than they would have otherwise. Look to mortgage rates as an example, they are down approximately 1% from their high late last year, spurring increased home activity.
"The Fed is grappling with a market that doesn't believe them, and so I think you have to think of the Fed as performative," said Jason Brady, Thornburg Investment Management. In other words, expect more tough inflation-fighting rhetoric from Chairman Powell.
It is true that inflation has begun to abate. CPI came in at an annualized rate of 6.5% in December, down from a high of 9.1% last year. The problem is the market seems to project this decline all the way down to 2% and that is a mistake. All it takes is a simple look around the grocery store, the car dealer, dry cleaner, gas station, and all of our daily transactions to realize inflation is not getting better. I read an academic report yesterday that showed if the government calculated inflation today as they did in the 1980s, we would be at double-digit rates.
A paradigm shift has occurred and it seems to have escaped Wall Street. Ever since the late 1980's, traders had been taught that the Fed was always there to prop up financial markets when things got really dicey. It would scrap plans to hike rates or maybe even start cutting them. "The Fed put," they called it. It culminated in the zero-interest regime and astounding amounts of free money helicoptered into the economy. We now are realizing that was a mistake. It distorted capital allocation. It punished savers. It forced consumption. When money was abundant and free, investors assumed it would be there forever. It set the stage for the generational shift to higher inflation. It is a mistake to think we are going back to 2019 or 2020. Habits are hard to break but break they will. The Fed will assure it. They have no choice. They realize the most detrimental force to our economic health is inflation.
Jeffrey Gundlach, the very successful and smart chief investment officer at DoubleLine, tweeted recently that "There is no way the Fed is going to 5%. 40-plus years of experience in finance strongly recommends that investors should look at what the market says over what the Fed says." He is wrong on this one. Fed funds will go to 5%. I give it 50/50 odds they go to 5.25% or 5.50%. The market has thrown down the challenge to the Fed and the Fed is determined. (For the record, I don't do Twitter, I read about the tweet.)
I, for one, am going with the Fed on this one.
Now, if we get a major exogenous event, say for example, China invades Taiwan, then all bets are off. The pandemic was such an exogenous event that changed everything and there are no shortages of candidates for another.
Speaking of that cool word; exogenous, the markets are attributing all this inflation to the effects of the last exogenous event, the pandemic, and none are considering there are structural changes in the world economy that will cause baseline inflation to be higher. Markets think once the dust settles from all the monetary and supply-chain issues related to the pandemic, things (inflation) will return to where it was before. I don't buy it. There are very real and very serious structural changes to the world economy that will cause the economy to be less efficient, but more resilient, and base inflation to be higher.
Have you shopped for a vehicle lately? I suspect the manufacturers and dealers are rather liking the pricing power they enjoy and are in no hurry to see it change. Do you think the pressure on fossil fuels and energy costs will abate? How inflationary is higher energy cost?"
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LOL

BTHOB-98
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JohnLA762 said:

LOL


It was more like.

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My autism meter is going off on the OP

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A meticulous grad student could find papers on that subject from a dozen "banks" and every one would reach a different conclusion.
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So do I buy QQQ or SQQQ?
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I can assure you restaurant sales on average still aren't what they were before Covid.
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I tried reading the OP no less than 5x and couldn't make it to the end

Will try again after aderall
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BTHOB-98 said:

JohnLA762 said:

LOL


It was more like.




Should have been more like CTRL+ALT+DEL, amirite?
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Ghost of Bisbee said:

I tried reading the OP no less than 5x and couldn't make it to the end

Will try again after aderall


TL;DR - market is calling bull**** on the Fed raising rates and this guy (not OP) is stating that Powell's saying "hold my beer and watch this".
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Ghost of Bisbee said:

I tried reading the OP no less than 5x and couldn't make it to the end

Will try again after aderall
Not a hard read at all. And spot in if you ask me. I've been saying it for a while. The majority of the world has no idea what it's like to not live in an economy that is completely propped up by free government stimulus.

Force the economy to exist on its own and it comes crashing down.

Thus here we are.. the FED trying to do what it was mandated to do, despite causing the situation (along with government) that it was mandated to prevent.

This is out of the FED's control. They are attempting to manage the pain ("soft landing"). But consumers and the market have been raised to only exist in a bubble. The only way back to any semblance of sound economics is pain.
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Lots of things to call it...Powell breaking the fed put, secular trend in bond yields, the return of value investing. Whichever you pick, people have realized the extreme cost of free money. The Fed is backed into a corner at this point and if they pivot too soon, they'll lose market confidence and then we'll really see turbulence.

I spent a lot of time in a past career with TIB, they're sharp but they're also not the only ones tooting this horn. Far from it. I feel like the macro consensus is that the Fed is going to go up until they can't. Can't will be defined by recession or, as these guys put it, an exogenous event.
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Agreed. Lots of good points.

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"The Fed is grappling with a market that doesn't believe them, and so I think you have to think of the Fed as performative," said Jason Brady, Thornburg Investment Management. In other words, expect more tough inflation-fighting rhetoric from Chairman Powell.
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This is from the same group this morning.

"Today's January CPI report showed that inflation rose 0.5% month-over-month and 6.4% year-over-year. While the month-over-month number came in at expectations, the year-over-year number came in at 0.2% higher than expected. Core inflation was up 0.4% month over month, in line with expectations. Shelter and energy led the way with 0.7% and 2.0% respectively.
January's report shows that the path to lower inflation is going to be a bumpy ride. While it has been stressed that inflation will not go straight down, previous releases have not been as bumpy as expected until today. It will be interesting to see how the bond market reacts throughout the coming days. After a brief initial rally to the 3.62% range, the 10-year has sold off to around the 3.72% range.
Some are optimistic that core services ex-housing slightly eased from the prior month, but others are concerned with that number because it came after a record 0.7% decline in medical care services. Excluding medical care, core services ex-housing rose 0.8%, which would have been the highest number since September. Given the strong labor economy and now strong services spending outside of medical care, we could see the Fed have to react more aggressively to bring down inflation.
Jerome Powell also mentioned that he expects shelter costs to start coming down and that should be reflected in CPI numbers. So far, that has still not happened, although there is usually a lag between real-time price changes and their appearance in the CPI report. This could present higher numbers in the future, as CPI was reweighted this month and shelter is taking on a larger relative importance in the data.
Interestingly, Fed swaps are no longer pricing in a rate cut this year and there are near even odds now for a rate hike in June, with the peak priced at 5.27%. CME's Fedwatch is projecting a 91% chance of a 25 basis point hike in March and a 72% chance of another 25 basis point hike in May. Looking to June, there is a 49% chance we have a third 25 basis point hike, with a 5% chance that Fed funds are sitting in the 5.50-5.75% range, which would mean there is a 50 basis point hike in the next 3 months. One month ago, there was a 6.2% chance we would get a 25 basis point hike in March, May, and June, now we are looking at almost 50%, which shows how the market may have been underestimating the Fed."
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Here's what no one seems to be discussing. Those numbers are based on the fact that previously things were exponentially more inflated "because of Covid". And no that's not a political jab, it's the reason given why prices are way higher than they were before Covid and supply chain issues.

Proteins in some cases are still way higher than anything shown in that report. It's not a true representation of anything.

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An absolute must read. Especially for those of you that seem to think the FED has to pivot soon. It talks about the accounting tricks they can use. It also goes into exactly what their assets and liabilities are and what it means for the federal government and for the economy. Ultimately, the article isn't making any predictions about the short term, but points to absolute pain in the long term. That is why this downturn is not over, will not be over soon, and will likely be with us for a decade or longer. We have just gotten started.

How The Fed 'Went Broke' | Seeking Alpha
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Nothing special and we didn't wait.lol

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AgLA06 said:

Here's what no one seems to be discussing. Those numbers are based on the fact that previously things were exponentially more inflated "because of Covid". And no that's not a political jab, it's the reason given why prices are way higher than they were before Covid and supply chain issues.

Proteins in some cases are still way higher than anything shown in that report. It's not a true representation of anything.




Ok. What is going to make prices come down then and when is that going to start happening? I don't see any prices of anything coming down at this time. Just about everything is more expensive now. What is the mechanism that is going to cut prices effectively in half to get us back to pre Covid pricing?
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Can someone give me the cliff notes version?

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Did this one blow out Texags server?
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BTHOB-98 said:

AgLA06 said:

Here's what no one seems to be discussing. Those numbers are based on the fact that previously things were exponentially more inflated "because of Covid". And no that's not a political jab, it's the reason given why prices are way higher than they were before Covid and supply chain issues.

Proteins in some cases are still way higher than anything shown in that report. It's not a true representation of anything.




Ok. What is going to make prices come down then and when is that going to start happening? I don't see any prices of anything coming down at this time. Just about everything is more expensive now. What is the mechanism that is going to cut prices effectively in half to get us back to pre Covid pricing?
That's my point. They won't.

They're essentially normalized the way they are. From what I can see, everyone used this as a chance to correct pricing that had been pushed down over the years to smaller margins. Each in turned passed those price corrections on to their customer.

What I'm saying is if you look at the inflation numbers, they don't show this. Yet pricing today across the board is much higher than before Covid and much higher than the government numbers show. It was explained away as a temporary Covid inflation that would right itself by our government, except it didn't all go away. It may someday as businesses see the Walmart effect start drive margins down to be competitive in pricing. But not today.
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PA24 said:

Two things to take note that IMO is a win win for all except will probably get Biden re-elected unfortunately.

Release of another 27 million barrels of oil from our reserves to ease gasoline prices thru June 2023.
Major oil companies getting back to drilling new oil wells.

Hydrocarbons are the backbone of the world economy. Green is being slowly being shelve and oil companies are making huge financial moves.

By the time the 2024 election rolls around, expect a booming economy thanks to flowing oil. I don't believe oil came from dinosaurs but is a mineral and currently underground is an ocean of oil but that is another subject.

Finally, Covid made new habits, folks have their food delivered rather than eat out or literally eat in their car.

Summary, plenty of cheap energy and the world is about to unleash it. Invest in oil service companies.




This is the big one.

People have completely changed their social interactions from Covid and many can't physiologically get over being around crowds again. I personally see it in the food industry, but entertainment and hospitality is also seeing a huge shift. And this is before the much higher cost of goods impacts those decisions.

The restaurants that are left are close to back to normal numbers. The issue is we lost way more restaurants and bars than we typically do in an industry that is already at the high end of failure rates. Even companies that weathered the storm had to cut less performing units that they wouldn't have except for Covid. From what we can see the total revenue dollars of the industry are still down 20%+.

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OIL:
the abiotic theory states that geoseismic forces deep in the earth CREATE oil, not that creatures died to do so, which is ridiculous.

What do serious countries such as Putin's Russia do, especially as we stupidly sanction them? They regenerate oil fields via drilling patterns.
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ELECTRIC VEHICLES:
who will pay the high cost of materials extraction?
who will deal with the maniacs' that tend to be in charge of that soil?
who will build the massive infrastructure needs of charging stations?
who pays? Elon? yeah, sure

What do serious people think about electric vehicles?
Go long on oil.
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How are investors of Rivian feeling right now about the long-term viability of their investments? Remember this comment and check it out periodically.

TESLA and other taxpayer-farming vampiric frauds:

Without right to repair, with more expensive resulting parts, the chance of a car's repairs exceeding half of the car's value in a collision is greater, correct?

So, a new car was built when some parts could have been built by an aftermarket supplier.....obviously far worse for the environment.

Short it all and smile when they inevitably fail, because sanity has prevailed via circumstance and reality once again....but think of the opportunity cost as all that public cash was shoved into down their thieving gullets.

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What happens to Tesla's stock when the lawsuits against these death-dealers really get going - especially should they be dumb enough to actually proceed with self-driving?

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BTHOB-98 said:

This is from an email that I received from my banker. He gets these from a company called TIB Capital Markets. This seems pretty spot on to me. We keep raising interest rates and no one is pulling back. I was at a restaurant (nothing special.) in Wimberly last night and the wait was 3 hours. (We didn't wait lol.) I feel like the fed keeps raising rates and people keep spending. People are starting to buy homes again. Is this a lul? a calm before a bigger storm? Thought's?


"The benchmark 10-year treasury yield has been creeping its way up this month from a low in the 3.30% range to this morning's 3.71%. During the same period, the 2-year treasury is up from 4.10% at the beginning of the month to this morning's 4.50%. The importance of choosing those two bonds is that the 2-year is a proxy for fed funds or short rates in general that are most impacted by Federal Reserve policy, and the 10-year yield reflects long-term inflation expectations.
Given the 10-year yield is so much lower than the 2-year, the market is signaling two things: A belief that long-term inflation is not a problem and that it is likely the FOMC will tighten rates to the point it pushes the economy into a recession and ultimately lower rates.
How infallible is this logic? Just last summer traders were betting the Federal Reserve would be cutting rates by now in the belief inflation would quickly subside and pave the way for the central bank to shift its focus to shoring up growth. Of course, this has not come to pass and indeed the FOMC orchestrated its eighth straight increase in the Fed's benchmark rate last on Feb. 1st. Traders were forced to capitulate on that notion months ago and have pushed back their predictions for a rate cut to September. In fact, currently fed funds futures contracts have priced in three 25 basis point cuts by Jan. 2024.
In my opinion, the market is wrong. They are looking at the current bout of inflation through the lens of the last 25 years of history. I hate to sound like an old codger but I don't think enough traders have been around long enough to realize the threat before us. I will admit both bond and stock markets naturally want to rally. It is just hard-wired into the system. It's how everyone makes money. However, there are structural changes that ensure base-line inflation will be elevated. As Neel Kashkari, president of the Minneapolis Fed and former investment banker and trader, said recently, "I've spent enough time around Wall Street to know they are culturally, institutionally, optimistic." He had a warning for investors: If they doubt the central bank's resolve to properly finish the job on inflation, even at the cost of putting millions of Americans out of work, they are mistaken. "They are going to lose the game of chicken, I can tell you that."
As I mentioned before, a key point about the latest rally: It's not helping the Fed at all in its effort to quell inflation and may paradoxically force the Fed to raise rates higher than they would have otherwise. Look to mortgage rates as an example, they are down approximately 1% from their high late last year, spurring increased home activity.
"The Fed is grappling with a market that doesn't believe them, and so I think you have to think of the Fed as performative," said Jason Brady, Thornburg Investment Management. In other words, expect more tough inflation-fighting rhetoric from Chairman Powell.
It is true that inflation has begun to abate. CPI came in at an annualized rate of 6.5% in December, down from a high of 9.1% last year. The problem is the market seems to project this decline all the way down to 2% and that is a mistake. All it takes is a simple look around the grocery store, the car dealer, dry cleaner, gas station, and all of our daily transactions to realize inflation is not getting better. I read an academic report yesterday that showed if the government calculated inflation today as they did in the 1980s, we would be at double-digit rates.
A paradigm shift has occurred and it seems to have escaped Wall Street. Ever since the late 1980's, traders had been taught that the Fed was always there to prop up financial markets when things got really dicey. It would scrap plans to hike rates or maybe even start cutting them. "The Fed put," they called it. It culminated in the zero-interest regime and astounding amounts of free money helicoptered into the economy. We now are realizing that was a mistake. It distorted capital allocation. It punished savers. It forced consumption. When money was abundant and free, investors assumed it would be there forever. It set the stage for the generational shift to higher inflation. It is a mistake to think we are going back to 2019 or 2020. Habits are hard to break but break they will. The Fed will assure it. They have no choice. They realize the most detrimental force to our economic health is inflation.
Jeffrey Gundlach, the very successful and smart chief investment officer at DoubleLine, tweeted recently that "There is no way the Fed is going to 5%. 40-plus years of experience in finance strongly recommends that investors should look at what the market says over what the Fed says." He is wrong on this one. Fed funds will go to 5%. I give it 50/50 odds they go to 5.25% or 5.50%. The market has thrown down the challenge to the Fed and the Fed is determined. (For the record, I don't do Twitter, I read about the tweet.)
I, for one, am going with the Fed on this one.
Now, if we get a major exogenous event, say for example, China invades Taiwan, then all bets are off. The pandemic was such an exogenous event that changed everything and there are no shortages of candidates for another.
Speaking of that cool word; exogenous, the markets are attributing all this inflation to the effects of the last exogenous event, the pandemic, and none are considering there are structural changes in the world economy that will cause baseline inflation to be higher. Markets think once the dust settles from all the monetary and supply-chain issues related to the pandemic, things (inflation) will return to where it was before. I don't buy it. There are very real and very serious structural changes to the world economy that will cause the economy to be less efficient, but more resilient, and base inflation to be higher.
Have you shopped for a vehicle lately? I suspect the manufacturers and dealers are rather liking the pricing power they enjoy and are in no hurry to see it change. Do you think the pressure on fossil fuels and energy costs will abate? How inflationary is higher energy cost?"


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