Sand Valuation on Land

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thegoodag
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Inherited some land out of state that was a WWII era sand pit for making castings. Trying to determine if there is any value to the sand. Took some surface samples and sent to a lab to get a sieve and soundness test. Results are below. Any ideas?


Sieve Grading
No. 8-No. 16 0.2
No. 16 - no 30 2.4
No 30 - No 50 26.8
No 50 - No 100 54.0
No `00 + 16.5


ASTM C88 - 5 cycle magnesium sulfate soundness test on No 30 - no 50

Orig wt 100
final wt 98.2

bqce
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I wouldn't make any business decisions based on a surface sample. To find out what you've got and what it's possible uses are, you really need to get core samples. Your surface sample is somewhat fine sand, which might be good for golf course bunker sand, hot mix asphalt sand or maybe even masonry sand - might need some additional screening and possibly washing. I'm sure you've got courser sand below the surface, but you won't know until you core it.

It would also be helpful to know whether this is a river deposit and what type of minerals it's composed of.
one safe place
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Over the years, I had several clients who had sand pits on their property. All were on property they acquired for that purpose. They made a tons, and I mean tons, of money selling topsoil, sand, mix, and clay. They always cored the properties prior to purchase.
Brush Country Ag
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Highway departments are always looking for sand.
one MEEN Ag
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one safe place said:

Over the years, I had several clients who had sand pits on their property. All were on property they acquired for that purpose. They made a tons, and I mean tons, of money selling topsoil, sand, mix, and clay. They always cored the properties prior to purchase.
Followed a guy on twitter who bought some property up in montgomery county. Had a big hill on it with trees over the property. Over the course of a few years he:

Sold the trees for wood (didn't make much money here)
Started dig out the big hill and sold the dirt and sand
Kept digging when he flat land a made a big pit
Leveled out the property, sold it to developers
Developers put houses and they had a built in low level lake with detention capacity already.

Yeah, dude made some money.
ags4rocks
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Be interested to hear more and ping you in the right direction. I have worked a lot on these deals..
Malibu
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So he paved paradise and put up a parking lot?
one safe place
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one MEEN Ag said:

one safe place said:

Over the years, I had several clients who had sand pits on their property. All were on property they acquired for that purpose. They made a tons, and I mean tons, of money selling topsoil, sand, mix, and clay. They always cored the properties prior to purchase.
Followed a guy on twitter who bought some property up in montgomery county. Had a big hill on it with trees over the property. Over the course of a few years he:

Sold the trees for wood (didn't make much money here)
Started dig out the big hill and sold the dirt and sand
Kept digging when he flat land a made a big pit
Leveled out the property, sold it to developers
Developers put houses and they had a built in low level lake with detention capacity already.

Yeah, dude made some money.
Reminds me of a client and friend of mine. He was at one of his gates one day and a car pulls up, guy and gal get out and ask if he knows where the "such and such" place was (called it by name). And he said he sure did. The car had out of state tags on it. Across the farm to market road was property owned by a local and there was a pumping unit on it. The guy or gal asked if that was on the "such and such" place and my friend said no. He told them to follow him and he would show them where the property was.

He drives to it, everyone gets out, no oil wells to be seen. Turns out they had just inherited the land and were hoping to hit a home run via oil and gas production. One of them said they were probably going to just sell it as they had no desire to own acreage producing no income when it was so far from their home. They got to talking about it and he said he would make them an offer in a week or two. They got all excited, no sales commission, just about a done deal.

He knew there was some mineral leasing going on in the area, in fact he had property adjoining this 1,100 acres. He cruised the property for timber, had someone else in the timber business do the same thing. Got in touch with the landman who he had dealt with on his tract. Mind you this was in the 80s so prices were not as insane as they are now. He made them an offer, they accepted, he made a timber deal (on the same day he closed on the purchase) and a few weeks later did a more than decent oil and gas lease. Though he had to pay tax on the timber sale and the oil and gas lease, he wound up with about a $75 an acre cost in the tract. And they leased it again a few years later, after the first one expired, and eventually drilled and made a well or two. Nothing major but still a great deal.
thegoodag
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Thanks for the input, I'll see if lab still has the samples to see if I can get materials breakdown.

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