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11:20a, 6/13/23
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Update: She says she was out sick in the afternoon on Friday. I told her that it is no problem to sign off if you are sick but make sure you tell your manager.

I'm not convinced she's being truthful but at this point I can't prove anything so I'm just logging it and moving on.
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11:42a, 6/13/23
Ok. To the original question. Did the employee miss a key assignment deliverable ?
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1:06p, 6/13/23
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I wouldn't say a "key" assignement. She serves in a support function and there were some requests that were not taken care of on Friday afternoon. These requests typically need to be taken care of quickly.

In her job you can't say your tasks are done so you can sign off. You have to be available throughout the day particularly in the 9-4 window.

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1:26p, 6/13/23
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lets all cut the charade of trying to police Pretend From Home employees

of course no one's actually 'sick' on a Fri afternoon, but a one time couple hours showing 'idle' is nothing compared to the 20-30hours a wk of living their life during work hours, that's just what comes with PFH
(don't tell me you're ignorant to mouse jigglers)
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In reply to EliteZags • 4:21p, 6/13/23
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EliteZags said:
lets all cut the charade of trying to police Pretend From Home employees

of course no one's actually 'sick' on a Fri afternoon, but a one time couple hours showing 'idle' is nothing compared to the 20-30hours a wk of living their life during work hours, that's just what comes with PFH
(don't tell me you're ignorant to mouse jigglers)


Pretend From Home? Please

OP even said she's a good employee

Plenty of us are even more productive working from home but I know it's hard to believe without micromanaging everyone
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5:40p, 6/13/23
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sure plenty of them are good employees since it's not tough for pretty much all PFH roles to get a full days workload done in a couple hrs of actual work, point is no point in creating some illusion of trying to keep them accountable for time on the clock
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In reply to EliteZags • 7:00p, 6/13/23
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EliteZags said:
sure plenty of them are good employees since it's not tough for pretty much all PFH roles to get a full days workload done in a couple hrs of actual work point is no point in creating some illusion of trying to keep them accountable for time on the clock


Are you suggesting WFH roles are somehow easier and require less work than those in office?
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 7:50p, 6/13/23
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LOL
'suggesting'
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In reply to EliteZags • 8:15p, 6/13/23
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LOL

So the same job but in the office is suddenly...harder? Because of the giant time sink that is water cooler talk?

Lol @ your logic
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8:38p, 6/13/23
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There's nothing that is critical from a support employee whose manager is asking how to handle this situation. Let them live their life.
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8:59p, 6/13/23
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Working from home is awesome. I have so much more time for things that matter to me instead of "hey, can I borrow 5 minutes of your time?" all day long.

I plan for zero productivity on office days.
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 9:06p, 6/13/23
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Quote:
So the same job but in the office is suddenly...harder?


No, re-read your own post

AgsMyDude said:

Are you suggesting WFH roles are somehow easier and require less work than those in office?


But I'm sure your role is so important and valuable and won't be replaced by a computer in a few years
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In reply to EliteZags • 9:09p, 6/13/23
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It won't
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9:18p, 6/13/23
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You could automate 90% of jobs across every end of the spectrum to an extent. Truck driver, accountant, software developer, surgeon, sales, manufacturing. All of those can be or have been automated over the last decade. Seems like you're trying to burn him because he's able to WFH but it's not the insult you think it is.
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10:26p, 6/13/23
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It was a general shot at PFH, I obvs understand that workload is largely job specific but in general PFH employees can and do get away with much less hours of actual work so the point is as a manager don't live in some fantasy world that your employees are going to be constantly working
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In reply to EliteZags • 11:05p, 6/13/23
I dunno, I think you confuse how little work gets done in an office.
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$30,000 Millionaire
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11:14p, 6/13/23
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Hours don't matter. Output matters. I have weeks at work where I literally get out of the way and let my team produce. That means being accessible, supportive, and clearing road blocks. I also have weeks where all I do is think about the future.

No reason to be so task and hours oriented.
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In reply to EliteZags • 11:35p, 6/13/23
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We've been around here almost exactly the same length of time so I'm going to make an assumption we are about the same age for the sake of conversation.

I have 22 and 23 year old analysts in my consulting engagements who put out a quality and volume of work that would blow us out of the water when we graduated from school 15 years ago. Their 40 hours is a hell of a lot different than the Boomers and even Gen X colleagues we work with because they are efficient and can pump out 2 weeks of actual work in the time it takes Susan and Jim to do a single week of work. That's why, with less headcount, we've grown revenue at the same or less utilization every year for the last two years (of which it's been 95% remote).

I don't need those kids looking busy at the office just for the sake of showing their face to someone who doesn't know them, doesn't care about them or their well-being, and wouldn't even know if they weren't there except for the empty seat. It's a waste of time just like the commutes they are having to make because they have to move further and further out of major metros to be able to afford rent.

If I assume a 45 minute commute each way, which is extremely reasonable in most large Texas and US cities, that is nearly a year and a half of your life you'd spend in a car commuting to the office. Additional assumptions are working from 22-60 years of age at 240 days of work per year if you want to check the math. I can think of a lot of things I'd want to do with that time that don't include sitting in a car in the way to the office to pretend to work there. If you want the red badge of courage for making it in to the office then by all means take it. I have 8 extra hours a week I can bill to a client or clients because I've gotten the opportunity to work remotely and can also get in the pool at lunch, grab food from HEB for dinner, start the smoker in the afternoon, play with the dogs, or in a few months see my first child between meetings.
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In reply to KT_Ag08 • 12:22a, 6/14/23
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Yessir! And it is smoker season so have a cold one at "the desk" while you're at it!
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12:22a, 6/14/23
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Again I'm not arguing that PFH capable positions shouldn't be allowed to do so, simply pointing out that their managers should recognize most those types of roles likely won't need constant 8 hr days to fulfill, especially from those that know how to be efficient, so they shouldn't fool themselves into expecting or demanding such
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In reply to EliteZags • 12:34a, 6/14/23
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Fair points and agree. Generally, work from home does not mean that person is at their desk/in front of their computer the whole working day hours, especially for a support person role. However, they should be able to respond quickly and be available during work hours, and if not, communication/a message/an email by them regarding that should be warranted and, in most cases, be professionally expected. But, not everyone bats 1.000. We all know something more fun or appealing than WFH came up for this gal so she bailed on work the rest of the afternoon. Oh well. Monitor to make sure not habitual.

As 30,000 said, output is the most important component.
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In reply to EliteZags • 12:36a, 6/14/23
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EliteZags said:
Again I'm not arguing that PFH capable positions shouldn't be allowed to do so, simply pointing out that their managers should recognize most those types of roles likely won't need constant 8 hr days to fulfill, especially from those that know how to be efficient, so they shouldn't fool themselves into expecting or demanding such


that was not the intent of my comment some posts back. I don't expect people to give a full day of 100% dedication, nobody even does that in the office. hell I don't do it at home either because it isn't necessary. my point was about clear communication and expectations, nothing more.

sounds like OP probably had the girl try to sneak away on a Friday, no big deal. we all have done it. now she knows he pays attention and she should be a bit better about giving a heads up.
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7:55a, 6/14/23
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Work from home is good for some, not for others.

I'm the manager but I'm probably one of the worst at staying on task when I'm at home thus I go in to the office more frequently than most.

But there are others who I'd rather stay at home because if we are both in the office they will never stop talking to me about random stuff.
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In reply to $30,000 Millionaire • 8:41a, 6/14/23
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$30,000 Millionaire said:
Working from home is awesome. I have so much more time for things that matter to me instead of "hey, can I borrow 5 minutes of your time?" all day long.

I plan for zero productivity on office days.


Exactly.

No more unnecessary disruptions because Sandy's son needs to sell candy bars for tball or Chris brought himself a birthday cake for attention.
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8:43a, 6/14/23
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It smells like engineer in here.
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 9:58a, 6/14/23
AgsMyDude said:
$30,000 Millionaire said:
Working from home is awesome. I have so much more time for things that matter to me instead of "hey, can I borrow 5 minutes of your time?" all day long.

I plan for zero productivity on office days.


Exactly.

No more unnecessary disruptions because Sandy's son needs to sell candy bars for tball or Chris brought himself a birthday cake for attention.
Dont forget about Mike's awesome fantasy football team lol!
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In reply to Cyp0111 • 10:05a, 6/14/23
Cyp0111 said:
I dunno, I think you confuse how little work gets done in an office.
This. When I worked in the office half my coworkers were taking 2 hour lunch breaks, 30 minute Starbucks runs, online shopping throughout the day, chit chatting/gossiping all day, fantasy football, pointless meetings etc. Very little work was getting done.
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In reply to Petrino1 • 1:21p, 6/14/23
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ea1060 said:
Cyp0111 said:
I dunno, I think you confuse how little work gets done in an office.
This. When I worked in the office half my coworkers were taking 2 hour lunch breaks, 30 minute Starbucks runs, online shopping throughout the day, chit chatting/gossiping all day, fantasy football, pointless meetings etc. Very little work was getting done.
Don't forget 2+ hours per day on TexAgs.
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2:27p, 6/14/23
To the above poster that said it smells like engineer here. Sure does.
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In reply to jh0400 • 3:25p, 6/14/23
jh0400 said:
It smells like engineer in here.
u smell outsourceable
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In reply to Petrino1 • 2:19p, 6/15/23
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ea1060 said:
Cyp0111 said:
I dunno, I think you confuse how little work gets done in an office.
This. When I worked in the office half my coworkers were taking 2 hour lunch breaks, 30 minute Starbucks runs, online shopping throughout the day, chit chatting/gossiping all day, fantasy football, pointless meetings etc. Very little work was getting done.
Do you really think most these same people aren't taking 2 hour lunch breaks, 30 minute starbucks runs, online and in store shopping, calling to chit chat, etc. when they are working from home?
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In reply to htxag09 • 2:31p, 6/15/23
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htxag09 said:
ea1060 said:
Cyp0111 said:
I dunno, I think you confuse how little work gets done in an office.
This. When I worked in the office half my coworkers were taking 2 hour lunch breaks, 30 minute Starbucks runs, online shopping throughout the day, chit chatting/gossiping all day, fantasy football, pointless meetings etc. Very little work was getting done.
Do you really think most these same people aren't taking 2 hour naps, full day fishing trips, waking up for mid day beers, quarter hourly vape/bong rips, both figurative and literal jerking off in between meetings etc. when they are working from home?

Fify
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In reply to EliteZags • 7:29p, 6/15/23
AG
EliteZags said:
htxag09 said:
ea1060 said:
Cyp0111 said:
I dunno, I think you confuse how little work gets done in an office.
This. When I worked in the office half my coworkers were taking 2 hour lunch breaks, 30 minute Starbucks runs, online shopping throughout the day, chit chatting/gossiping all day, fantasy football, pointless meetings etc. Very little work was getting done.
Do you really think most these same people aren't taking 2 hour naps, full day fishing trips, waking up for mid day beers, quarter hourly vape/bong rips, both figurative and literal jerking off in between meetings etc. when they are working from home?

Fify


And still outperforming you
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In reply to EliteZags • 10:03a, 6/16/23
EliteZags said:
htxag09 said:
ea1060 said:
Cyp0111 said:
I dunno, I think you confuse how little work gets done in an office.
This. When I worked in the office half my coworkers were taking 2 hour lunch breaks, 30 minute Starbucks runs, online shopping throughout the day, chit chatting/gossiping all day, fantasy football, pointless meetings etc. Very little work was getting done.
Do you really think most these same people aren't taking 2 hour naps, full day fishing trips, waking up for mid day beers, quarter hourly vape/bong rips, both figurative and literal jerking off in between meetings etc. when they are working from home?

Fify
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In reply to htxag09 • 11:11a, 6/16/23
htxag09 said:
ea1060 said:
Cyp0111 said:
I dunno, I think you confuse how little work gets done in an office.
This. When I worked in the office half my coworkers were taking 2 hour lunch breaks, 30 minute Starbucks runs, online shopping throughout the day, chit chatting/gossiping all day, fantasy football, pointless meetings etc. Very little work was getting done.
Do you really think most these same people aren't taking 2 hour lunch breaks, 30 minute starbucks runs, online and in store shopping, calling to chit chat, etc. when they are working from home?
Sure, but the point is people slack off in the office just as they do from home. A bad employee is going to be a bad employee at home or in the office, the same goes for a good employee.
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