Retirement Allocations for 41 year old

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AggieArchitect04
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I'm not a super savvy investor.

I'm needing to build up my retirement after some financial turmoil last year. So feel pressured to be a little aggressive.

Do the allocations below seem okay for someone my age? Am I too exposed or unbalanced somewhere?

TIA

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It looks fine to me but might be more complex than needed though. You will likely get the same performance going 80% total US, 15% foreign, and 5% money market and rebalancing 2-3 times a year to those ratios. When interest rates start going down that might be a good time to get back into bonds but I don't really see the point right now
chris1515
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I'd ditch the bonds. Rates are more likely to go down from here, not up.

No crypto? (I joke)
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chris1515 said:

I'd ditch the bonds. Rates are more likely to go down from here, not up.

No crypto? (I joke)
I am not much of a bond investor, but why wouldn't you want to own bonds in a falling interest rate environment?
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Large caps only 50% growth/50% value. That should get you essentially a total sp500 mirror.

Now set up external Roth IRA and max it.

Then do HSA if it meshes with your insurance coverage.

Set Voya to auto increase 1% each Jan 1.
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one safe place said:

chris1515 said:

I'd ditch the bonds. Rates are more likely to go down from here, not up.

No crypto? (I joke)
I am not much of a bond investor, but why wouldn't you want to own bonds in a falling interest rate environment?


It depends on the bonds.

If it has a low sensitivity to interest rates (low duration), you don't benefit much in price lift when rates fall. A money market fund, stable value fund or just short-term/short-duration bonds fit this group.

You appear to be thinking of more interest rate sensitive bonds, which are more attractive now than they've been since the credit crisis.
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Your mix is ok and diversified enough. Don't get bogged down in a few percent here or there per asset class.

More important to your growth is how much you will save and for how long.
AggiEE
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Allocation looks low on international.

I'm not sure how many funds you are using but you can get adequate diversification with anywhere from a handful of funds to a single fund (like VT or AVGE).
chris1515
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Uggh. My logic was precisely backwards on the bonds and rates. Doofus!

I'm still not a fan of bonds though personally.
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Way low on international and way to heavy in growth and small cap/midcap.
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Just put it all in SPY
You don’t trade for money, you trade for freedom.
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$30,000 Millionaire said:

Just put it all in SPY


And be concentrated in one country and very too heavy in certain sectors.

SPY has had periods of negative real returns from 12-16 years. Being more diversified into different regions or risk factors would have prevented those bad outcomes
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chris1515 said:

I'd ditch the bonds. Rates are more likely to go down from here, not up.

No crypto? (I joke)
I agree. Not big on Bonds.
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AggieArchitect04 said:

I'm not a super savvy investor.

I'm needing to build up my retirement after some financial turmoil last year. So feel pressured to be a little aggressive.

Do the allocations below seem okay for someone my age? Am I too exposed or unbalanced somewhere?

TIA


buy VOO
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billydean05 said:

Way low on international and way to heavy in growth and small cap/midcap.
so he should invest in Chinese companies?
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txaggieacct85 said:

billydean05 said:

Way low on international and way to heavy in growth and small cap/midcap.
so he should invest in Chinese companies?

International is 75% developed markets comprising of Europe and Japan by market Cap. 25% or so are in Emerging markets.

Chinese companies in a global allocation is less than 5% of the portfolio.

The US represents only 25% of global GDP, it would not be wise to allocate 100% of your portfolio to it exclusively as it has gone through some very bad and prolonged periods of performance. That's the point of diversification, since you don't know in advance of when those sorts of events will happen.
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AggiEE said:

$30,000 Millionaire said:

Just put it all in SPY


And be concentrated in one country and very too heavy in certain sectors.

SPY has had periods of negative real returns from 12-16 years. Being more diversified into different regions or risk factors would have prevented those bad outcomes



You don’t trade for money, you trade for freedom.
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AggiEE said:

txaggieacct85 said:

billydean05 said:

Way low on international and way to heavy in growth and small cap/midcap.
so he should invest in Chinese companies?

International is 75% developed markets comprising of Europe and Japan by market Cap. 25% or so are in Emerging markets.

Chinese companies in a global allocation is less than 5% of the portfolio.

The US represents only 25% of global GDP, it would not be wise to allocate 100% of your portfolio to it exclusively as it has gone through some very bad and prolonged periods of performance. That's the point of diversification, since you don't know in advance of when those sorts of events will happen.
I got the same question on global exposure. I've been hearing that I need a healthy amount of it from FA for a long long time. But I am beginning to think that a person needs to be a great timer to make it pay. My global exposure really hasn't done squat in comparison to the US for decades. EM equities are pretty volatile, and EU growth is so slow and devoid of tech giants that it's hard to envision a ripping market there either. But I probably just chose poorly.
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northeastag said:

AggiEE said:

txaggieacct85 said:

billydean05 said:

Way low on international and way to heavy in growth and small cap/midcap.
so he should invest in Chinese companies?

International is 75% developed markets comprising of Europe and Japan by market Cap. 25% or so are in Emerging markets.

Chinese companies in a global allocation is less than 5% of the portfolio.

The US represents only 25% of global GDP, it would not be wise to allocate 100% of your portfolio to it exclusively as it has gone through some very bad and prolonged periods of performance. That's the point of diversification, since you don't know in advance of when those sorts of events will happen.
I got the same question on global exposure. I've been hearing that I need a healthy amount of it from FA for a long long time. But I am beginning to think that a person needs to be a great timer to make it pay. My global exposure really hasn't done squat in comparison to the US for decades. EM equities are pretty volatile, and EU growth is so slow and devoid of tech giants that it's hard to envision a ripping market there either. But I probably just chose poorly.

You don't need to be a great timer. You just need to stay invested with an asset allocation strategy. Part of diversification is knowing that certain parts of your portfolio will do poorly during certain periods of time. If you looked under the hood of individual stocks in an S&P 500 fund, you'd find the same phenomenon.

Here's a great article that explains many reasons why US markets have done better than Global markets:

https://www.aqr.com/Insights/Research/Journal-Article/International-Diversification-Still-Not-Crazy-after-All-These-Years

Summary: The vast majority of US outperformance is due to an increase in valuations from 1990 to today. ExUS had the opposite, it started with high valuations in 1990 and has seen a decrease in valuations. In other words, it wasn't fundamentally better performance that drove most of the better returns. You cannot expect changes in valuation to persist.

From 1950-2010, US vs exUS returns were roughly even with eachother. It's only been since 2010-2021 that US had significantly better performance. The opposite has happened, it just hasn't been recent; exUS had significantly better returns in the stagflation era of the 1970s and into the 80s. exUS also did better, with EM doing enormously better in the period from 2000-2012.

But the outperformance tends to come in short bursts - if you're not there for the ride, you will miss out. This is true of ANY investment style including the S&P 500. A globally diversified investor saw 10% returns annualized the past decade - even despite poor exUS performance. That's an acceptable outcome. I would rather take two decades of near 8% annualized growth than 0% one decade and 15% the next. So that's why I include international (with a large dose of EM) and also include Small Cap Value in my portfolio.
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Investors don't have 150 years to invest. So the scale of that graph really hides the impact of a prolonged decade or more drawdown in the market and the psychological impact that can have.

I am not saying to exclude the S&P 500; I am simply saying it should be part of a more diversified strategy to help mitigate poor periods. The S&P 500 is at one of the most richly valued periods it has seen since the dot com bubble, and we know how those tend to play out. Not a reason to avoid it, because it can get even more expensive and it's impossible to time, but history has shown that higher valuations portend lower expected returns.
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AggieArchitect04 said:

I'm not a super savvy investor.

I'm needing to build up my retirement after some financial turmoil last year. So feel pressured to be a little aggressive.

Do the allocations below seem okay for someone my age? Am I too exposed or unbalanced somewhere?

TIA


VOO

Pack money in that fund until you retire...........you'll be happy in the end.........reduces your worry factor by 90%.

Save all those fees you would pay active management.

Stop overthinking it.

Win for you and your family.
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Thanks for the article. I guess I wasn't wrong about not getting the return from Int'l over the last 30 years, but still I think I chose poorly. I also get it about efficient portfolio theory and diversification, and will stick it out at this point. But I am not hedged against currency risk, and not active. Do you think portfolio's should be hedged?
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northeastag said:

Thanks for the article. I guess I wasn't wrong about not getting the return from Int'l over the last 30 years, but still I think I chose poorly. I also get it about efficient portfolio theory and diversification, and will stick it out at this point. But I am not hedged against currency risk, and not active. Do you think portfolio's should be hedged?

You did get a return from international the last 30 years.

You just didn't get AS GOOD of a return as US over the last 30.

But the tables for the next 30 years? They could easily flip given where starting valuations are today

Portfolio's should NOT be hedged because by investing in international stocks you want to protect against the possibility of a USD decline, and currency effects wash out over the long term. It's not something to be overly concerned about
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Put all my retirement into an index ETF? Not knocking it just never heard of that before.

Appears to be performing great over the long haul.
https://www.google.com/finance/quote/VOO:NYSEARCA?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQkojXl8v_AhUSk2oFHVEUBGgQ3ecFegQIFBAc&window=5Y

What's the catch?
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AggieArchitect04 said:

Put all my retirement into an index ETF? Not knocking it just never heard of that before.

Appears to be performing great over the long haul.
https://www.google.com/finance/quote/VOO:NYSEARCA?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQkojXl8v_AhUSk2oFHVEUBGgQ3ecFegQIFBAc&window=5Y

What's the catch?


There is no catch just put it all in VTI to capture the broad market not just the S&P 500.
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AgOutsideAustin said:

AggieArchitect04 said:

Put all my retirement into an index ETF? Not knocking it just never heard of that before.

Appears to be performing great over the long haul.
https://www.google.com/finance/quote/VOO:NYSEARCA?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQkojXl8v_AhUSk2oFHVEUBGgQ3ecFegQIFBAc&window=5Y

What's the catch?


There is no catch just put it all in VTI to capture the broad market not just the S&P 500.

There's no substantial difference between VTI and VOO.

If you actually want more diversification with a single fund, you'd go with VT or something like AVGE
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Ok good info but I made the decision long ago it's VTI and as much of it as I can buy.
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AggieArchitect04 said:

Put all my retirement into an index ETF? Not knocking it just never heard of that before.

Appears to be performing great over the long haul.
https://www.google.com/finance/quote/VOO:NYSEARCA?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQkojXl8v_AhUSk2oFHVEUBGgQ3ecFegQIFBAc&window=5Y

What's the catch?
Or VIIIX Vanguard mutual fund.

You are in it for the long haul.

That's where I have been.
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I've always put my max 401k contributions into an S&P 500 index fund, with the company match going to a Completion Index.

I recently changed my contribution to ALL go to the completion index, simply because the ratio is way off for trying to emulate a total market index, which should be 80/20. I'm at 95/5 currently.

Plus, I believe small caps are getting ready to rally harder in the second half of the year, given that the market rally has been so narrow thus far.

I'm gonna leave it until I reach an 85/15 ratio. Similar to total market, but with slightly more weight given to the s&p 500.

Don't really have plans of ever adjusting that in my 401k. I know there's safer vehicles when closer to retirement, but that's pretty far off in my case. I'm not worried about risk for the moment.
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I am older than you and I would go with very aggressive. You are just 41, not an old fart who needs to avoid risk.
At this age, you should keep some in cash/CDs and put money in aggressive funds if you ever want to retire wealthy.
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AggieArchitect04 said:

Put all my retirement into an index ETF? Not knocking it just never heard of that before.

Appears to be performing great over the long haul.
https://www.google.com/finance/quote/VOO:NYSEARCA?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQkojXl8v_AhUSk2oFHVEUBGgQ3ecFegQIFBAc&window=5Y

What's the catch?

I don't own any company stock other than what my employer grants me.
All in various kinds of index funds. But I go aggressive which is why I make and lose big. Lost big in 2022 but made big most other years. More than doubled this year.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I've always put my max 401k contributions into an S&P 500 index fund, with the company match going to a Completion Index.



I do similar. I don't own multiple in my 401k. I pick the most aggressive one that does well (I do the math) and I put 100% in it. It usually beats the market.
My current 401k has 43k in it. I have been at this company 16 months. I make sure I max my 401k.
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AgOutsideAustin said:

Ok good info but I made the decision long ago it's VTI and as much of it as I can buy.

Well the good news is that this isn't a binary decision. You don't need to ONLY invest in VTI, you can pair it with VXUS to get a balanced equity portfolio.
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I own Bitcoin and I just let it ride for the diversification in the portfolio.

also have a nice amount of cash for 6 month reserve funds, and CDs at 5% with six month maturation in the savings account

I also diversify by having three separate corporate 401K accounts with different investments.
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