New Role - Seeking Advice

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Long story short, I was promoted. It's a new, but somewhat related role to my previous position.

I have been training in this position for 1.5 business weeks (the Sr. Manager I'm replacing gave 2 weeks) and this Product Manager has already scheduled time on my calendar (day 3 of my training), he had his subordinate reach out to me (day 4), and he reached out to me again directly end of day today (day 6). When he spoke to me the first time, I thought the guy I was replacing scheduled the call, but it was the PM directly. He said he was "shaking the tree." Trying to get me and my new team to make new materials to support his product updates. All while I have 5-10 other things on my plate.

The person I'm replacing told my boss and his boss that this PM reaching out directly, is "jumping the gun." We haven't supported his team in the past, so much so there is no process to deny or accept.

I don't want to be unprofessional, because my first reaction is to tell this guy some not so nice things. But, I want to come off as well as possible to my boss and his boss.

Anyway to come off that I'm not ducking my tail, and also not being unprofessional?
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Who decides what your team works on? Is it you, your boss, someone else? Doesn't sound like there is a process so just need to know who the decision maker is.

If it's you now, make a decision and just explain why. We already have these other projects/commitments. Bring me a business case that justifies skipping those to work on your thing (assuming what they are asking for would be done by your team anyway).

No need to be unprofessional, there are only so many hours in a week for a given person or team. If you need more resources to help cover the task, tell them you need help justifying more resources with your boss and ask their help making that justification. Most cases "I'd love to help, here is what I need from you to make it happen" makes people go away on their own while keeping the relationship professional.
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You email him saying you'll setup a meeting for when the timing is right. Next, you send out a meeting invite for early October 2024 and make no explicit mention that the year is 2024.

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500,000ags said:

The person I'm replacing told my boss and his boss that this PM reaching out directly, is "jumping the gun." We haven't supported his team in the past, so much so there is no process to deny or accept.
Almost sounds like this PM has tried to get pushy in the past and didn't get the response they wanted. They see an opening with a new manager. May have to set some of those boundaries early, or you can expect their behavior to continue.

Devil is in the details, but I think there are two parts to this response:
- As mentioned above - if you can't work it in to your current commitments, you need to tell them that, but could at least discuss with them how you can incorporate into the future.
- Moving up to a Sr. Manager level, you need to work understand where their priorities play into the bigger corporate priorities. Every business is different, so take this with a grain of salt, but I know who I have to say "yes", or I can expect a call from a VP or executive. As you move up, that's an internal compass you'll have to develop.
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Just meet with him and talk it out.
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Sounds like the company has siloed fiefdoms and is a bloated organization. Each teams purpose and how they support each other should be pretty clear based on how they fit into the larger picture. If that's not clear then I'd say there is poor leadership and/or communication at the levels above you.

This seems like such an odd situation.
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Agreed, which is why i said just meet with him and talk it out. Don't play into existing silos. Ignore them and just talk to the guy one and one and figure it out.

That is usually the right solution when I see these types of posts on here. People let existing bureaucracy dictate their reaction...don't let it. There is nothing stopping these two from just meeting so do that first.
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Maybe the person previously in the position was a dick.

What if partnering with the PM by leveraging your teams unique skills will move the company towards its goals?

I'd try to figure out the goals of the larger organization, and how your team fits that and what the PM is seeking and see if there is alignment.

Look for the win-win.

Maybe he needs more resources and there is a larger problem in the organization that needs to be addressed in terms of resources?

You'll have to figure it out. Is the PM concern valid or not? Are the right person to help him? Maybe he just wants to meet the new co-worker and it's just friendly meeting to connect.
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To add some detail: I work in a role that focuses on client-facing datapoints.

It's a volume business, since it could be everything from marketing data points to working with customer success to expand the relationship. In the first meeting, this PM wanted me to research his product, work with him to identify his products story, learn where the data sits to tell that story, find out how to regularly access the data, and then I'm assuming manage a recurring deliverable out to clients.

The guy I'm replacing said to me the volume of requests is so high we shouldn't own the search & access piece. Plus, my boss made it clear, we just need to keep the lights on for the first few months. So me accepting any sort of new responsibilities at this point doesn't seem smart.

And again, this isn't the only request I'm fielding to create new deliverables. It's just this guy is being very pushy.
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I'd have a face to face meeting and my messages would be:

- I really look forward to having a positive, productive and professional relationship

- part of that requires mutual respect, and the part where you respect both my position and me personally means it will not solely be on your terms

- as such, and I hope I'm misinterpreting this, I don't appreciate the aggressive way you are demanding my attention before I've even had a chance to fully assess the immediate priorities of this role

- I'm going to do you a favor and wipe the slate perfectly clean. I am looking forward to hearing your ideas - so I'm going to schedule a time to sit down in [X] weeks to hear them.

- You'll need to send me materials or a write up 3 days before we meet and by then I'll have organized my questions



This meeting would take less than 15 minutes, unless he's stupid enough to screw himself over completely
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Plenty of good advice already,

I'd be very curious why that guy is so aggressively pursuing some additional support that he isn't getting elsewhere.

Might tell him you're still getting ramped up and his request is outside the scope of your area as you understand it now, but you'd keep it in mind if you turn out to have that capacity once you get the lay of the land.

It could be an opportunity for you.

Could just be a pushy jerk to avoid at all costs.
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I'd start with my own boss by gathering some history/context with this guy and expectations for your team's level of support. With that info, you can follow up with the guy to (1) clarify what your team can support and what it cannot and (2) for the items you are aligned with doing, get better insight in order to prioritize them with your existing work.

In general in a brand new role, I'm making sure what I'm taking on and prioritizing aligns with my senior leadership's vision.
500,000ags
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This is where I am at. I want to align with my boss before responding. Maybe strategically, my boss and his boss does want to support PMs more. Maybe they don't, and I can respond accordingly in that direction too.

Back to my OP, I just don't want to come off as I'm running to my boss because this big bad PM is picking on me. I also don't want to jump the gun and just tell this PM to kick rocks.
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If he's pestering you enough to the point where you're bothered enough to post about it on a message board, you should at least start registering it with your boss. You don't have to make it a conversation about I don't know what to do so I'm running to Dad. Just allow the situation to open up a broader discussion about where he wants your team to prioritize time and efforts, and letting him know that you're getting outside requests that haven't typically been handled by your team. If he's a good manager, he'll give you clear feedback on priorities.
txaggieacct85
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good example of why I started my own business 21 years ago.

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txaggieacct85 said:

good example of why I started my own business 21 years ago.



Very subtle humblebrag there.

Now go away Barnes.
12thMan9
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Wait. The PM wants you to tell him what his story is? He doesn't know his own product? And that's not your 1st concern?
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This too easy. Talk to him, let him know you are collecting info about this situation, but you are still getting your feet on the ground with the new position and will get back to him once you have a better understanding of the situation. No need to commit, no need to confront.
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12thMan9 said:

Wait. The PM wants you to tell him what his story is? He doesn't know his own product? And that's not your 1st concern?


I would guess, from personal experience, the company went Agile, got the titles and never really figured out what it actually meant.

Unless OP is on the IT/development side, in which case the PM might be trying to coordinate the work they are requesting.
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aggiebq03+ said:

txaggieacct85 said:

good example of why I started my own business 21 years ago.



Very subtle humblebrag there.

Now go away Barnes.
actually not at all. I've been very happy to be a consultant on the outside looking in at Corporate drama and being very pleased I didn't have to get in the middle of it
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500,000ags said:

Long story short, I was promoted. It's a new, but somewhat related role to my previous position.

I have been training in this position for 1.5 business weeks (the Sr. Manager I'm replacing gave 2 weeks) and this Product Manager has already scheduled time on my calendar (day 3 of my training), he had his subordinate reach out to me (day 4), and he reached out to me again directly end of day today (day 6). When he spoke to me the first time, I thought the guy I was replacing scheduled the call, but it was the PM directly. He said he was "shaking the tree." Trying to get me and my new team to make new materials to support his product updates. All while I have 5-10 other things on my plate.

The person I'm replacing told my boss and his boss that this PM reaching out directly, is "jumping the gun." We haven't supported his team in the past, so much so there is no process to deny or accept.

I don't want to be unprofessional, because my first reaction is to tell this guy some not so nice things. But, I want to come off as well as possible to my boss and his boss.

Anyway to come off that I'm not ducking my tail, and also not being unprofessional?
let your boss deal with it.
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