Ticketmaster and a 1099-K

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muleshoe
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Does anyone have experience dealing with this? I get a 1099-K from them, and the amount is nearly 25% more than the total sales amount. They send me a spreadsheet confirming the sales total, but are refusing to provide any details on their "fees". This was their last response,

"Ticketmaster can only provide the transaction list found on the 1099K website. You will have to consult with a tax preparer for further assistance."

Appreciate feedback.....

(Before it is asked....the sales were not from A&M games......)
Mustang1
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Can you include some details? What you paid for 2024 tickets with fees & total Sales accounting for fees? And what amount did 1099 have?
muleshoe
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Mustang1 said:

Can you include some details? What you paid for 2024 tickets with fees & total Sales accounting for fees? And what amount did 1099 have?
Thanks Mustang. About $2k in cost, and about $4k in sales. The amount on the 1099 went just over $5k by a few dollars.

The difference is nearly $1k. As TM has told me "it includes taxes and fees and does not adjust for credits, discounts, or refunds (as required by the IRS).

From what I read, for 2024, if the amount is less then $5k, a 1099 isn't required? Wasn't sure about that rule.

Maybe its a mute point....and just worry about the profit.

Here was their latest response. They went from "fees" to now including "buyer fees".


I apologize for the frustration regarding your 1099k. The amount on your 1099K is the gross transactional amount that the buyers pay for your tickets, this is the amount we are required to report to the IRS. Unfortunately, we do not have a further breakdown to provide you that provides a list of fees the buyer pays. I would recommend taking the amount on your 1099K, subtracting what you were paid from that to get the remaining fees. Then, that that amount and divide it by your amount of sales for the average fee the buyer pays. Again, I apologize but we do not have a further breakdown of the 1099k that we are able to provide. Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.

Sincerely,
Austin G
Ticketmaster Fan Support



Appreciate the response/thoughts.....
Thisguy1
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So you're paying Ticketmasters taxes?
Worlds Foremost Ag
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Report the gross amount on the 1099-K on schedule C of your tax return. Calculate the fees and taxes that were withheld by Ticketmaster by subtracting the amount you actually received in cash from the gross amount and show it as an expense on schedule C. Your net profit will then equal what you collected in cash and is all you will be taxed on.

It is important to show the gross amount from the 1099-K on your tax return because the IRS matches 1099s reported to your SSN to your tax return. If there is a difference you might get a notice.

Example:

Calculate taxes/fees

$5,000 from 1099-K
-$4,000 received in cash
=$1,000 taxes and fees withheld

Report of Schedule C

$5,000 gross sales from 1099-K
-$1,000 taxes and fees calculated above
=$4,000 net profit equals what you actually received
muleshoe
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Thisguy1 said:

So you're paying Ticketmasters taxes?
Not sure. Seems like they are doing a good job of hiding the fees collected from both buyer/seller, and putting into the 1099s without providing details.

I found a website that estimated fees on the buyer's side to be nearly 22%, and 17% on the seller's side.

I think I might continue to be a "mule" and see what sort of responses I continue to get.


muleshoe
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Worlds Foremost Ag said:

Report the gross amount on the 1099-K on schedule C of your tax return. Calculate the fees and taxes that were withheld by Ticketmaster by subtracting the amount you actually received in cash from the gross amount and show it as an expense on schedule C. Your net profit will then equal what you collected in cash and is all you will be taxed on.

It is important to show the gross amount from the 1099-K on your tax return because the IRS matches 1099s reported to your SSN to your tax return. If there is a difference you might get a notice.

Example:

Calculate taxes/fees

$5,000 from 1099-K
-$4,000 received in cash
=$1,000 taxes and fees withheld

Report of Schedule C

$5,000 gross sales from 1099-K
-$1,000 taxes and fees calculated above
=$4,000 net profit equals what you actually received

Thank you! Appreciate the feedback. Having the $$ match was a concern.
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Worlds Foremost Ag said:

Report the gross amount on the 1099-K on schedule C of your tax return. Calculate the fees and taxes that were withheld by Ticketmaster by subtracting the amount you actually received in cash from the gross amount and show it as an expense on schedule C. Your net profit will then equal what you collected in cash and is all you will be taxed on.

It is important to show the gross amount from the 1099-K on your tax return because the IRS matches 1099s reported to your SSN to your tax return. If there is a difference you might get a notice.

Example:

Calculate taxes/fees

$5,000 from 1099-K
-$4,000 received in cash
=$1,000 taxes and fees withheld

Report of Schedule C

$5,000 gross sales from 1099-K
-$1,000 taxes and fees calculated above
=$4,000 net profit equals what you actually received

This is the correct answer.

Also, dont forget to include your cost in purchasing the tickets as cost of sales. You can also take expenses like travel, internet, and phone since you are using all of that to sell the tickets.

just keep in mind that if the IRS audits you, they will want to account for personal use of internet and phone. A reasonable method is to take half of those expenses as an deduction.
Diggity
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50% of what? A month of expenses?

Even that seems like a stretch for the 10 minutes it takes to list tickets.

Not sure I would risk an audit for such a marginal benefit.
Mas89
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Did you give Ticketmaster your ss number?
gigemhilo
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50% of your phone bill.

Look I'm a CPA that also does audit representation. I haven't had any issue with this strategy, but you do you.

This guy is not my client but just giving general tax advice (obligatory disclaimer)
Diggity
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Wasn't trying to be argumentative, just didn't think the juice would be worth the squeeze to expense half of a $75 phone bill.

Guess the IRS has bigger fish to fry.
muleshoe
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No real update from TM. Still stone-walling.

Mas....had to when I set things up to sell. Didn't have an option other than an EIN.

Gigemhilo....appreciate the info. Never thought of anything like that. Believe I have everything for pulled for our CPA.
one safe place
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gigemhilo said:

50% of your phone bill.

Look I'm a CPA that also does audit representation. I haven't had any issue with this strategy, but you do you.

This guy is not my client but just giving general tax advice (obligatory disclaimer)
As always, it will depend on the agent and, to some degree, the nature and size of anything else they find. An arbitrary percentage, whether it be a phone bill or vehicle mileage, will not fly with some agents. Have to hope they don't ask for support of the percentage. Other agents might buy into it. I have dealt with both.
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one safe place said:

gigemhilo said:

50% of your phone bill.

Look I'm a CPA that also does audit representation. I haven't had any issue with this strategy, but you do you.

This guy is not my client but just giving general tax advice (obligatory disclaimer)
As always, it will depend on the agent and, to some degree, the nature and size of anything else they find. An arbitrary percentage, whether it be a phone bill or vehicle mileage, will not fly with some agents. Have to hope they don't ask for support of the percentage. Other agents might buy into it. I have dealt with both.


My experience has been that as long as what you do is reasonable, you provide what they ask for, you treat them with respect, "talk about their grandkids" , etc that everything goes smooth with little change in the audit.

If you try to hide things from them, act defensive, get angry, stonewall, etc - suddenly the reasonable things will no longer be reasonable.
one safe place
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gigemhilo said:

one safe place said:

gigemhilo said:

50% of your phone bill.

Look I'm a CPA that also does audit representation. I haven't had any issue with this strategy, but you do you.

This guy is not my client but just giving general tax advice (obligatory disclaimer)
As always, it will depend on the agent and, to some degree, the nature and size of anything else they find. An arbitrary percentage, whether it be a phone bill or vehicle mileage, will not fly with some agents. Have to hope they don't ask for support of the percentage. Other agents might buy into it. I have dealt with both.


My experience has been that as long as what you do is reasonable, you provide what they ask for, you treat them with respect, "talk about their grandkids" , etc that everything goes smooth with little change in the audit.

If you try to hide things from them, act defensive, get angry, stonewall, etc - suddenly the reasonable things will no longer be reasonable.
I pretty much have had the same experience, but I had two who were direct descendants of Hitler. One of them made up numbers in their documents filed with the Tax Court and I caught it. $1.6 million became $81,000 shortly thereafter and we didn't go to court. Point is, they would be justified in disallowing anything that had no support. On the other hand, we took 100% on two vehicles on a farm, one a pickup, the other an Escalade. Had some support for the pickup, none on the Escalade, but he allowed 100% and 95%.

I had one agent who was an Army veteran and her first day in the office she noticed some of the pictures I had on my wall when my dad was in the Pacific. We spent the entire afternoon talking about military stuff, his experience, her experience. When she got up to leave, she said I can tell you right now this is going to be a no change audit. Had not looked at the first document. And it was no change.

She did ask if I would bring my dad's dog tags since the WWII ones were so different than the more recent ones.
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