Why would Trump try to "cause" a recession?

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Dan Scott said:

I don't think material spending cuts are going to happen because they messed it up from the start. They went with the slash and burn own the libs method and made mistakes or claims that's weren't true.

I get going after the low hanging fruit first but I think they would have been more effective starting with something a lot agree with like the DOD. So much talk how they haven't passed an audit X years. But then they pass a CR that gives them more money. And Trump said in an interview that he doesn't want to cut defense now because world too dangerous.




They never were regardless of how they started. At some point, everyone is going to realize this.

When you come out of the gate saying you aren't going to touch any of our mandatory spending which accounts for 2/3 of the budget then you've already lost any opportunity to have meaningful spending cuts. It's also Republican Party policy not to touch any Mandatory spending and long since been communicated multiple times by R's and Trump.

Their plan is cut as much as fraud as they can and then try to unleash private industry which they hope will overtake all of our existing and planned spending. Count me as laughably skeptical that can be accomplished considering we already projecting $1-2T in deficits every year for the next 10. We will be at $150T in debt by then.

Never mind the fact when Democrats get back in power they will immediately reverse anything this admin has done to reverse our inevitable demise.

Regarding the USAID foresight conversation, I'm totally cool with them killing the entire thing without looking at any of it first. Screw that entire program. 85% of is fraud and/or wasteful spending. Being delicate about it accomplishes nothing because the pigs with their snouts in that trough would never have let it anything get cut unless you hit it with a slash and burn tactic. If you break some eggs along the way, and have to re-up a few things then fine.
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Ok, bad analogy. I stand by the premise, which is that to actually control federal spending (and hence the size of the Federal government) then we need Congress to act with the budget and passing legislation. I think the DOGE actions have been handled poorly from a communication and stability perspective, and I think both markets and consumers are reacting to that instability and hence the concern for a recession.

Trump has an opportunity like no other President to actually address the spending problems, and instead of using his power and fanatical following to quickly push reform through the right channels faster than any president in history, he's somehow trying to consolidate more power in the executive branch. I think Republicans (and quite honestly, the public at large) is going to regret that mightily when there's another face in the oval office, because this isn't a 4 year fix.
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I'm on board with everything except the last part. I don't know anything about USAID but I reject the premise that any agency should be wholesale removed or gutted without any insight. Government by its very being is inefficient and bureaucratic, so I want it to be as small as it can be in order to serve its charter. It's undeniable that the Federal government has grown much beyond the bounds of the Constitution, but we are where we are and in my opinion the government needs to be unwound without blowing the entire economy up. If I had the voice and power that Trump does, I'd be whipping Congress into shape to actually address the problems where they rightfully should be addressed and getting rid of regulations that actually drive up costs and drive down innovation. Instead he's busy settling personal scores with anybody who ever wronged him.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

Sapper Redux said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

Sapper Redux said:

Muy said:

I Am A Critic said:

Create a problem and then declare yourself a hero when you solve it.


Cutting wasteful spending and using tools in his toolbox to get better deals with other countries is a problem?


You can recognize there's a difference between identifying and cutting wasteful spending and torching a needed agency or service without any foresight, right? You can also recognize that ignoring your own deals with allies and treating them as adversaries may not result in the best deals for anyone with serious long term ramifications, right?
Which agency or service was torched without any foresight? And please provide proof of said lack of foresight.


USAID was torched with zero foresight. To the extent that they are having to go back and try to clean up the mess while still ending extremely important humanitarian projects that will result in excess mortality while giving countries like China a blazing opportunity to establish themselves as the more reliable partner in mineral-rich regions of places like Africa.

https://apnews.com/article/usaid-trump-foreign-aid-rubio-judge-ali-60ef55de60a36c61eb563b5982298385

This is without going into the firings of people involved in nuclear safety or at the CDC and then trying to un**** themselves.
Stopped reading right there. Dear Lord.
Know how I know you're an F16 regular? Good lord.

USAID is a great example of trump cutting programs with zero foresight.
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JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:

People have pointed out numerous agencies that have fired and then frantically tried to rehire people.

You just ignore it because you've decided Trump is well planned and won't hear otherwise.

There's no reasoning with F16 folks. Don't waste your time or energy.
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gunan01 said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

Sapper Redux said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

Sapper Redux said:

Muy said:

I Am A Critic said:

Create a problem and then declare yourself a hero when you solve it.


Cutting wasteful spending and using tools in his toolbox to get better deals with other countries is a problem?


You can recognize there's a difference between identifying and cutting wasteful spending and torching a needed agency or service without any foresight, right? You can also recognize that ignoring your own deals with allies and treating them as adversaries may not result in the best deals for anyone with serious long term ramifications, right?
Which agency or service was torched without any foresight? And please provide proof of said lack of foresight.


USAID was torched with zero foresight. To the extent that they are having to go back and try to clean up the mess while still ending extremely important humanitarian projects that will result in excess mortality while giving countries like China a blazing opportunity to establish themselves as the more reliable partner in mineral-rich regions of places like Africa.

https://apnews.com/article/usaid-trump-foreign-aid-rubio-judge-ali-60ef55de60a36c61eb563b5982298385

This is without going into the firings of people involved in nuclear safety or at the CDC and then trying to un**** themselves.
Stopped reading right there. Dear Lord.
Know how I know you're an F16 regular? Good lord.

USAID is a great example of trump cutting programs with zero foresight.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

gunan01 said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

Sapper Redux said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

Sapper Redux said:

Muy said:

I Am A Critic said:

Create a problem and then declare yourself a hero when you solve it.
Cutting wasteful spending and using tools in his toolbox to get better deals with other countries is a problem?
You can recognize there's a difference between identifying and cutting wasteful spending and torching a needed agency or service without any foresight, right? You can also recognize that ignoring your own deals with allies and treating them as adversaries may not result in the best deals for anyone with serious long term ramifications, right?
Which agency or service was torched without any foresight? And please provide proof of said lack of foresight.
USAID was torched with zero foresight. To the extent that they are having to go back and try to clean up the mess while still ending extremely important humanitarian projects that will result in excess mortality while giving countries like China a blazing opportunity to establish themselves as the more reliable partner in mineral-rich regions of places like Africa.

https://apnews.com/article/usaid-trump-foreign-aid-rubio-judge-ali-60ef55de60a36c61eb563b5982298385

This is without going into the firings of people involved in nuclear safety or at the CDC and then trying to un**** themselves.
Stopped reading right there. Dear Lord.
Know how I know you're an F16 regular? Good lord.

USAID is a great example of trump cutting programs with zero foresight.
This you?

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I did the posting lookup on that handle last night as well. Pretty much why I just put a smiley face on their last post of the tariffs thread. Some people are okay with big government telling us what to do, okay with corruption, okay with ruining the economy...so long as their ideological team is in charge. Hypocrites...
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TTUArmy said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

gunan01 said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

Sapper Redux said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

Sapper Redux said:

Muy said:

I Am A Critic said:

Create a problem and then declare yourself a hero when you solve it.
Cutting wasteful spending and using tools in his toolbox to get better deals with other countries is a problem?
You can recognize there's a difference between identifying and cutting wasteful spending and torching a needed agency or service without any foresight, right? You can also recognize that ignoring your own deals with allies and treating them as adversaries may not result in the best deals for anyone with serious long term ramifications, right?
Which agency or service was torched without any foresight? And please provide proof of said lack of foresight.
USAID was torched with zero foresight. To the extent that they are having to go back and try to clean up the mess while still ending extremely important humanitarian projects that will result in excess mortality while giving countries like China a blazing opportunity to establish themselves as the more reliable partner in mineral-rich regions of places like Africa.

https://apnews.com/article/usaid-trump-foreign-aid-rubio-judge-ali-60ef55de60a36c61eb563b5982298385

This is without going into the firings of people involved in nuclear safety or at the CDC and then trying to un**** themselves.
Stopped reading right there. Dear Lord.
Know how I know you're an F16 regular? Good lord.

USAID is a great example of trump cutting programs with zero foresight.
This you?

More info on ivermectin - Page 2 | TexAgs
I did the posting lookup on that handle last night as well. Pretty much why I just put a smiley face on their last post of the tariffs thread. Some people are okay with big government telling us what to do, okay with corruption, okay with ruining the economy...so long as their ideological team is in charge. Hypocrites...



lol the irony here is unreal.
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IowaAg07 said:

I'm on board with everything except the last part. I don't know anything about USAID...
Well, Secretary of State Marco Rubio does, fortunately. Your conjecture as to his subject matter ignorance that followed is just…off base and wrong.
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Facts are stubborn things:

Right Track Wrong Track poll of country highest now in 18 years.
Trump approval / disapproval highest in his entire career.

even CNN reporting the truth now.

IowaAg07
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Tribalism at its finest. The implication is that Rubio's predecessors were not experts, when in fact they are but had different priorities and agendas than the current administration. Their tribe would have used the same argument and would have been just as wrong. You clearly fall into the camp of trusting individuals and anecdotes over data and metrics, so I'll just disagree and disengage.
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IowaAg07 said:

Tribalism at its finest. The implication is that Rubio's predecessors were not experts, when in fact they are but had different priorities and agendas than the current administration. Their tribe would have used the same argument and would have been just as wrong. You clearly fall into the camp of trusting individuals and anecdotes over data and metrics, so I'll just disagree and disengage.


I'm not the one who presumed the actions lacked any insight, counselor.
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Rubio was a strong supporter of ISAID until he went to work for Trump.

https://news.wttw.com/2025/02/05/marco-rubio-s-years-strong-support-usaid-stand-contrast-his-sudden-criticism-aid-agency

What people don't understand is USAID was key component of our national intelligence. It was thousands of eyes and ears all over the world working for us. That is gone now and it hurts our security. It also provided our country's 'charity' to other countries. That created loyalty to is.
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SteveBott said:

Rubio was a strong supporter of ISAID until he went to work for Trump.

https://news.wttw.com/2025/02/05/marco-rubio-s-years-strong-support-usaid-stand-contrast-his-sudden-criticism-aid-agency

What people don't understand is USAID was key component of our national intelligence. It was thousands of eyes and ears all over the world working for us. That is gone now and it hurts our security. It also provided our country's 'charity' to other countries. That created loyalty to is.
USAID was specifically not part of our intelligence community per…USAID. But, you are probably right, that it was dishonest about this, to say the least.

This really has no business and investing root though, outside of speculation as to the business of graft/NGO's/money laundering etc. The executive branch sets foreign policy, by not just tradition, but judicial and constitutional standards. USAID has been a black eye on American influence/spending abroad for decades. It's just been a bad investment of American wealth/tax payer money, period:
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Then came USAID's own reckoning. In August 2024, anInspector General'sreportconfirmed what critics long suspected systemic due diligence failures had left billions in taxpayer dollars flowing through a system with little control, inadequate oversight and no clear accounting of how funds were ultimately spent.
Among the most glaring concerns: the unchecked influence ofpublic international organizations, including theUnited Nations, World Bank, UNICEF and World Food Program. These entities collectively administer vast sums of U.S. aid withminimal accountability and little measurable impact.

For much of its history, USAID wielded enormous influence over global aid policy, directing billions in taxpayer-funded assistance. But its decline was neither sudden nor unforeseeable.

What had once functioned as a humanitarian lifeline has become a labyrinth of misallocated resources, favoring broad, abstract development theories over measurable results. This shift has diluted accountability, misdirected funding and allowed wasteful programs to flourish under the banner of long-term, unverifiable goals.

For years, these inefficiencies were shielded by institutional inertia and entrenched interests. That illusion collapsed in Haiti, Afghanistan and Gazawhere U.S. and public international organization-led humanitarian and development efforts failed spectacularly, exposing a model that is expensive, ineffective, and impervious to meaningful reform.
Fun fact: CBP are moving staff into their former DC HQ as I type.
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Yall take it to F16
 
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