Warren Buffet open letter (passive index flows)

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FobTies
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I don't think we are hearing enough about this topic. Although not imminent, there is systematic risk in the relentless 401K bid on the S&P slowing, or reversing, in the next decade. I'm sure the MMT Fed would step in to backstop everyone's retirement, to avoid any type of great depression drawdown.....but still worth staying aware of the potential for disruption.

EDIT- Fake AI letter posted by Mike Green from Simplify....still some good points, but not directly for WB.

An Open Letter on Index Investing, Stewardship, and the Responsibilities of Ownership

By Warren E. Buffett


To Whom It May Concern

Throughout my investing life, I've shared much commentary on how people might navigate the markets with discipline and common sense. Some of those observations have been quoted, misquoted, or taken as endorsements of one style or another. In particular, I've long emphasized the benefits of low-cost index investing for most investors a view I want to revisit today in light of how the investment world has changed and what responsibility now rests on the shoulders of the biggest players in our system.

Let's begin with what hasn't changed.

Why I Supported Indexingand Still Do (for Most)
In 1993, I wrote that "by periodically investing in an index fund, the know-nothing investor can actually outperform most investment professionals." That remains largely true today. Broad-based indexing remains a sound default for those without the time, skill, or interest to evaluate individual businessesor to choose managers who can. It offers low cost, automatic diversification, and insulation from the twin devils of human emotion and Wall Street salesmanship.

I advised that the capital left to my now-deceased wife, Susan, be allocated 90% to a low-cost S&P 500 index fund and 10% to short-term government bonds when I passed. That was not a declaration of indexing's superiority as a capital allocation mechanism. It was an admission of something else: that bad active management is worse than no active management at all. For most people, indexing offers a kind of shelterfrom lousy advice, high fees, and the temptation to trade.

But indexing was never meant to be the system. It was a safeguard for those who couldn'tor shouldn'ttry to outthink the market. And when that safeguard becomes the system itself, it's worth taking a fresh look.

What's Changed: Scale, Structure, and Stewardship
When I made those statements in the 1990s, indexing was still relatively small. Active managers dominated the marginal dollar that set prices. Index funds were passengersnot driverson the market's journey.

Today, we've crossed the threshold.

Passive funds once niche now control a major chunk of U.S. equity assets. Different analyses peg the share of overall market ownership in the neighborhood of 35-45% if you include quasi-indexing strategies, far beyond anything anticipated a few decades ago.

The three largest index complexesBlackRock, Vanguard, and State Streetcollectively cast a quarter or more of the votes at many large public companies.


Due partly to well-intentioned regulation (including Qualified Default Investment Alternative (QDIA) rules for retirement plans), fiduciaries now overwhelmingly default participant capital into target-date products dominated by passive strategies.

Whichever definition you choose, the days of indexers being purely along for the ride are long gone. They're now in the driver's seat.

The result? Passive managers hold unprecedented sway in corporate Americayet too often shrink from the responsibilities that come with it.

We see this in real-time. One of the largest index providers recently sidestepped regulatory scrutiny not by restructuring its funds, but by using derivatives to maintain economic exposure in certain banks while surrendering its formal voting power. It's perfectly legal, perhaps. But it underscores a moral question: If you own something, shouldn't you act like it?

We don't solve a scale problem by dodging accountability. Indexing was initially created as a marketing tool. The introduction of low-cost passive index funds reduced the costs of accessing investment returns for many investors. But once these funds control large swaths of the economy, it can't claim the luxury of neutrality. You either own the place or you don't.

Price Without a Buyer
As indexing grows, another problem becomes harder to ignore: price discovery falters.

Traditionally, active investors determined stock prices by weighing fundamentals, strategy, and risk. Indexing buys more of what's already there, asking few questions about quality or management. That's fine when index funds are a minority participant and active investors still determine prices. But when a huge share of the market is controlled by investors who buy or sell purely on flows, price ceases to be a reliable reflection of underlying value.


Small or emerging companies can struggle for attention, while larger incumbents can balloon in market cap without necessarily proving their worth. Over time, the feedback loop between good ideas and fresh capital weakens, to everyone's detriment.

Stewardship Without a Steward
I've often said my favorite holding period is forever. That only works if you're a true ownersomeone who digs into the reports, meets the people running the business, and speaks up when trouble brews.

Ownership is not just financial. It's moral. When giant index funds accumulate ownership but keep their distance from the role, we enter an era of what I call ownerless capitalismwhere decision-makers in corporate boardrooms rarely feel the presence of a critical shareholder voice. The system starts to falter.

Some index providers have built "stewardship teams." That's a start. But can a small staff realistically oversee hundreds or thousands of public companies? Or is it all window dressing?

One last note on scale: if you've grown too large to fulfill the basic obligations of ownership, you should consider trimming that ownership, not papering it over with synthetic positions or administrative sleight of hand.

A Word to Fiduciaries
Let me address pension trustees, endowment committees, plan sponsors, and consultants.

I know the pressure you face. Regulation rewards conformity. QDIA rules bless passive default options. Choosing an off-benchmark strategy invites scrutiny and potentially legal risk. It's tempting to treat indexing not only as a sound option but as the only option.

But that abdicates the real job of capital allocation. Instead of putting money to its best use, you're merely "following the money." That's not stewardship. That's liability management disguised as investment strategy.

What Now?
I'm not calling for index fund firms to be broken up yet. They are still an excellent, low-cost solution for most individual investors. But as their market share grows, so does their duty to act like ownersnot only of the companies in which they invest but as stewards of the markets they inhabit.

The power they hold is no small matter. It affects capital formation, competitiveness, and governance. It must be wielded thoughtfully, not evaded. There's no moral high ground in building trillion-dollar stakes while declining to shoulder ownership obligations.

So, I say to the large index providers: You may not have asked for this power, but you've got it. Use it responsibly. Or find someone who will.

To fiduciaries: Think beyond fees and lawsuits. Consider whether your capital is fueling a healthy economy for future beneficiaries. That may mean working with thoughtful, high-conviction managerseven if they don't align neatly with benchmarks.

To investors of all sizes: The first principle of investing isn't diversification or even patience. It's ownership. Be an ownerhonestly and actively. Not just of a stock, but of your role in the system that gives those stocks meaning.

And to our regulators: I'm no fan of heavy-handed edicts.But if these fund giantsnow systemically pivotalwon't take the initiative to manage their scale responsibly, you may have to step in. Common-sense guardrails, or a requirement that firms demonstrate real stewardship and a plan for liquidity shocks, might help avoid a nightmare scenario where outflows spark forced selling, and no one's there to buy. We're not talking about dissolving index funds or punishing everyday investors, but we are talking about ensuring that concentrated ownership doesn't destabilize the system. If it takes a nudgeor even a shovefor them to get serious about the obligations that come with their size, then so be it.

If indexing is to remain a force for good, it must be balanced by real people who engage, evaluate, and occasionally say "no." We still need stewards of capital. Let's not automate them out of existenceor pretend that a handful of colossal index providers don't have real duties to everyone who entrusts them with these assets.

Yours for the long-term,

Warren E. Buffett

Omaha, Nebraska
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I remember this being posed as an issue (alongside computer trading) like 15 years ago.

Isn't one of the main safe guards that there is still objective criteria for companies moving in or out of the s&p or nasdaq or DOW?

You could call it a strength (and a weakness) that our very best/most profitable companies are extremely well capitalized and are able to use those funds to dominate what they do or to invest in future products. Should more of that be spread around to smaller and mid caps? Probably and maybe that's the issue with everyone blinding buying S&P.

It's an interesting thought experiment.

I have a finance degree from A&M and I do not track stocks at all. My 401k and IRAs all have several indexes from large cap to small, more heavily weighted to the large cap US.

It's not that I don't care at all, I just don't have the time to do tons of research. It's not my passion. I spend lots of time evaluation financials and making RE investment decisions that by the time I get home, I don't want to think about finance.
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That's kind of his point. We're in a world where people who don't think about their investments mostly outperform those who do.

But it's more a product of the long term economic cycle. Periods like this where money is easy to be made are almost always followed by periods where it's incredibly hard. The average "I don't want to think about it" is going to be shell shocked when the paradigm shifts. Because they won't all the sudden take an interest until it's too late. Essentially, failure of this model is the only thing that will force these people to consider anything else.
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AG
Insightful letter.
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FobTies said:

I don't think we are hearing enough about this topic. Although not imminent, there is systematic risk in the relentless 401K bid on the S&P slowing, or reversing, in the next decade. I'm sure the MMT Fed would step in to backstop everyone's retirement, to avoid any type of great depression drawdown.....but still worth staying aware of the potential for disruption.


An Open Letter on Index Investing, Stewardship, and the Responsibilities of Ownership

By Warren E. Buffett


To Whom It May Concern

Throughout my investing life, I've shared much commentary on how people might navigate the markets with discipline and common sense. Some of those observations have been quoted, misquoted, or taken as endorsements of one style or another. In particular, I've long emphasized the benefits of low-cost index investing for most investors a view I want to revisit today in light of how the investment world has changed and what responsibility now rests on the shoulders of the biggest players in our system.

Let's begin with what hasn't changed.

Why I Supported Indexingand Still Do (for Most)
In 1993, I wrote that "by periodically investing in an index fund, the know-nothing investor can actually outperform most investment professionals." That remains largely true today. Broad-based indexing remains a sound default for those without the time, skill, or interest to evaluate individual businessesor to choose managers who can. It offers low cost, automatic diversification, and insulation from the twin devils of human emotion and Wall Street salesmanship.

I advised that the capital left to my now-deceased wife, Susan, be allocated 90% to a low-cost S&P 500 index fund and 10% to short-term government bonds when I passed. That was not a declaration of indexing's superiority as a capital allocation mechanism. It was an admission of something else: that bad active management is worse than no active management at all. For most people, indexing offers a kind of shelterfrom lousy advice, high fees, and the temptation to trade.

But indexing was never meant to be the system. It was a safeguard for those who couldn'tor shouldn'ttry to outthink the market. And when that safeguard becomes the system itself, it's worth taking a fresh look.

What's Changed: Scale, Structure, and Stewardship
When I made those statements in the 1990s, indexing was still relatively small. Active managers dominated the marginal dollar that set prices. Index funds were passengersnot driverson the market's journey.

Today, we've crossed the threshold.

Passive funds once niche now control a major chunk of U.S. equity assets. Different analyses peg the share of overall market ownership in the neighborhood of 35-45% if you include quasi-indexing strategies, far beyond anything anticipated a few decades ago.

The three largest index complexesBlackRock, Vanguard, and State Streetcollectively cast a quarter or more of the votes at many large public companies.


Due partly to well-intentioned regulation (including Qualified Default Investment Alternative (QDIA) rules for retirement plans), fiduciaries now overwhelmingly default participant capital into target-date products dominated by passive strategies.

Whichever definition you choose, the days of indexers being purely along for the ride are long gone. They're now in the driver's seat.

The result? Passive managers hold unprecedented sway in corporate Americayet too often shrink from the responsibilities that come with it.

We see this in real-time. One of the largest index providers recently sidestepped regulatory scrutiny not by restructuring its funds, but by using derivatives to maintain economic exposure in certain banks while surrendering its formal voting power. It's perfectly legal, perhaps. But it underscores a moral question: If you own something, shouldn't you act like it?

We don't solve a scale problem by dodging accountability. Indexing was initially created as a marketing tool. The introduction of low-cost passive index funds reduced the costs of accessing investment returns for many investors. But once these funds control large swaths of the economy, it can't claim the luxury of neutrality. You either own the place or you don't.

Price Without a Buyer
As indexing grows, another problem becomes harder to ignore: price discovery falters.

Traditionally, active investors determined stock prices by weighing fundamentals, strategy, and risk. Indexing buys more of what's already there, asking few questions about quality or management. That's fine when index funds are a minority participant and active investors still determine prices. But when a huge share of the market is controlled by investors who buy or sell purely on flows, price ceases to be a reliable reflection of underlying value.


Small or emerging companies can struggle for attention, while larger incumbents can balloon in market cap without necessarily proving their worth. Over time, the feedback loop between good ideas and fresh capital weakens, to everyone's detriment.

Stewardship Without a Steward
I've often said my favorite holding period is forever. That only works if you're a true ownersomeone who digs into the reports, meets the people running the business, and speaks up when trouble brews.

Ownership is not just financial. It's moral. When giant index funds accumulate ownership but keep their distance from the role, we enter an era of what I call ownerless capitalismwhere decision-makers in corporate boardrooms rarely feel the presence of a critical shareholder voice. The system starts to falter.

Some index providers have built "stewardship teams." That's a start. But can a small staff realistically oversee hundreds or thousands of public companies? Or is it all window dressing?

One last note on scale: if you've grown too large to fulfill the basic obligations of ownership, you should consider trimming that ownership, not papering it over with synthetic positions or administrative sleight of hand.

A Word to Fiduciaries
Let me address pension trustees, endowment committees, plan sponsors, and consultants.

I know the pressure you face. Regulation rewards conformity. QDIA rules bless passive default options. Choosing an off-benchmark strategy invites scrutiny and potentially legal risk. It's tempting to treat indexing not only as a sound option but as the only option.

But that abdicates the real job of capital allocation. Instead of putting money to its best use, you're merely "following the money." That's not stewardship. That's liability management disguised as investment strategy.

What Now?
I'm not calling for index fund firms to be broken up yet. They are still an excellent, low-cost solution for most individual investors. But as their market share grows, so does their duty to act like ownersnot only of the companies in which they invest but as stewards of the markets they inhabit.

The power they hold is no small matter. It affects capital formation, competitiveness, and governance. It must be wielded thoughtfully, not evaded. There's no moral high ground in building trillion-dollar stakes while declining to shoulder ownership obligations.

So, I say to the large index providers: You may not have asked for this power, but you've got it. Use it responsibly. Or find someone who will.

To fiduciaries: Think beyond fees and lawsuits. Consider whether your capital is fueling a healthy economy for future beneficiaries. That may mean working with thoughtful, high-conviction managerseven if they don't align neatly with benchmarks.

To investors of all sizes: The first principle of investing isn't diversification or even patience. It's ownership. Be an ownerhonestly and actively. Not just of a stock, but of your role in the system that gives those stocks meaning.

And to our regulators: I'm no fan of heavy-handed edicts.But if these fund giantsnow systemically pivotalwon't take the initiative to manage their scale responsibly, you may have to step in. Common-sense guardrails, or a requirement that firms demonstrate real stewardship and a plan for liquidity shocks, might help avoid a nightmare scenario where outflows spark forced selling, and no one's there to buy. We're not talking about dissolving index funds or punishing everyday investors, but we are talking about ensuring that concentrated ownership doesn't destabilize the system. If it takes a nudgeor even a shovefor them to get serious about the obligations that come with their size, then so be it.

If indexing is to remain a force for good, it must be balanced by real people who engage, evaluate, and occasionally say "no." We still need stewards of capital. Let's not automate them out of existenceor pretend that a handful of colossal index providers don't have real duties to everyone who entrusts them with these assets.

Yours for the long-term,

Warren E. Buffett

Omaha, Nebraska
How does he expect small investors to be 'owners'? He just admitted that the 3 large funds manage 25-35% of all the stock and thus votes? He also clearly stated how we can't know enough to trade effectively.

Despite all that, he's putting 90% of his money into index funds.
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FobTies said:

I don't think we are hearing enough about this topic.


Bloomberg writers talk about this all the time. Matt Levine has many insightful and humorous articles on the matter. With Buffett, I smell self-interest first and foremost.
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This looks like something that ChatGPT wrote in the style of Warren Buffett
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I can't find this anywhere directly from Warren Buffett. Sounds like a fake from ChatGPT
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hangman said:

I can't find this anywhere directly from Warren Buffett. Sounds like a fake from ChatGPT

I can't find it on Berkshire's website either.
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TxAg20 said:

hangman said:

I can't find this anywhere directly from Warren Buffett. Sounds like a fake from ChatGPT

I can't find it on Berkshire's website either.
You won't find it, because he didn't write it.
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Sorry got banned for few days on F16....

Got this "open letter" from Mike Green at Simplify on his paid substack. Looks like it actually was Mike who posted this as a letter by Buffet in an effort to get his attention.

I just assumed it was real bc I didn't think posting a fake letter in first person like this is something he would do....but in fine print it does look like AI generated clout chasing.

Apologies for not catching it earlier...



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Quote:

We see this in real-time. One of the largest index providers recently sidestepped regulatory scrutiny not by restructuring its funds, but by using derivatives to maintain economic exposure in certain banks while surrendering its formal voting power.
Anyone know what company this references?
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I'd suggest the trend toward private equity investment is somewhat of an answer to this concern . Am I wrong on this?
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AI or not, but ever since I heard about the growing Financial Independence community in like 2015, and how that investment thesis was permeating to normal people (coupled with those doing so well in their 401k), I figured it would lead to something. I'm still not sure what, but millions of people just buying and buying the S&P500 isn't great for efficient markets. I just think it's going to lead to Trillionaires, and whatever imbalance that creates. Hard to say it's going to be catastrophic in any way.
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500,000ags said:

AI or not, but ever since I heard about the growing Financial Independence community in like 2015, and how that investment thesis was permeating to normal people (coupled with those doing so well in their 401k), I figured it would lead to something. I'm still not sure what, but millions of people just buying and buying the S&P500 isn't great for efficient markets. I just think it's going to lead to Trillionaires, and whatever imbalance that creates. Hard to say it's going to be catastrophic in any way.
I don't think it is possible to invest yourself into trillionaire status, difficult enough for companies to hit that benchmark.
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Backyard Gator said:

500,000ags said:

AI or not, but ever since I heard about the growing Financial Independence community in like 2015, and how that investment thesis was permeating to normal people (coupled with those doing so well in their 401k), I figured it would lead to something. I'm still not sure what, but millions of people just buying and buying the S&P500 isn't great for efficient markets. I just think it's going to lead to Trillionaires, and whatever imbalance that creates. Hard to say it's going to be catastrophic in any way.
I don't think it is possible to invest yourself into trillionaire status, difficult enough for companies to hit that benchmark.

All you have to do is invest $1M at 10% return for 146 years. You don't even have to add any money during that time. Since I'm planning to live forever anyway, seems doable.
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No, I mean that the S&P500 will get pushed upwards (almost endlessly) by passive investors and with the 80/20 rule, a select group of companies will really thrive from an equity valuation standpoint. The founders / early operators that have a large % of company equity will reach crazy wealth.
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As long as we have a MMT Fed, they will almost certainly step in as a buyer of last resort in any collapse due to any major disruption in passive buying.
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halfastros81 said:

I'd suggest the trend toward private equity investment is somewhat of an answer to this concern . Am I wrong on this?


Right or wrong the issue is governance and regulation. Public companies are highly regulated and the biggest of those companies are seen as "safe".

Could more money be aggregated into non-public companies? For sure and it would probably be good for society to move more money into growing companies rather than the biggest/richest. There is a lot more risk and lot less information/regulation.

I'm here for it though. I don't love the accredited investor rules for a lot of reasons. I get it, I guess, but not a fan.
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I can see why the accredited investor rules could be frustrating but with the way inflation and market growth has been it seems to me the hurdles aren't nearly as prohibitive as they once were , meaning the accredited status is open to a lot bigger portion of the populace. Having said that I don't know what % of the populace could qualify.

I did a quick search, I think it's around 20% which does seem low but a lot higher than it was . The net worth rule hasn't been adjusted for inflation since 1982.
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