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LaurenJean09
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My fiance and I just got our preapproval to buy a house in DFW. We are really looking south of DFW near Mansfield. I have had multiple people tell me that it is a terrible idea to buy right now because we will just end up upside down on our house in a few years. What are y'all's thoughts? Thank you!
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LaurenJean09 said:

My fianc and I just got our preapproval to buy a house in DFW. We are really looking south of DFW near Mansfield. I have had multiple people tell me that it is a terrible idea to buy right now because we will just end up upside down on our house in a few years. What are y'all's thoughts? Thank you!


You're not wrong it's a probably a crazy time to buy. But then again, I thought it was crazy to buy my first house in Circa 2018. I'm sure others felt the same way in the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s. But its turned out well cause we have so many people moving to the metroplex and the area is consistently growing with demand. I don't foresee that stopping anytime soon because we have great business environments, favorable weather (usually) and plenty of support for growing families and communities.

Needless to say, I wish I had red pear helping me when I bought my first house, I would have saved thousands dollars towards using an "Aggie" realtor. And it would have help my wife and I prepare our newborn room wayyyyy more.

If you need help, I'm here! And best of all, I'll help you save money and put it towards the kiddo!
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I think you are getting some bad advise. The DFW market should be strong for several more years at minimum.
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The bad idea is having to fight with other buyers.
Prepare to be outbid. Doubt you'd end up upside down in a few years.
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First an anecdote and then some facts.

I put a house under contract on February 7, 2020 in the Heights in Houston. We were set to close in mid March but the seller passed away unexpectedly. As you might expect, I'm friends with folks in various circles of the real estate world, from residential to commercial, investors, lenders, basically covering the world of real estate. When Covid hit, everything just kind of ground to a halt in the real estate world and not much happened from mid March until the end of May 2020. Oh yeah and at one point, WTI (oil) literally dipped to being priced in NEGATIVE dollars. Folks were paying people to take delivery of crude oil. Crazy times in Houston. During that time, while we waited for the estate to probate, you would not believe how many people called me out of the blue and said things like "Don't do it man" or "This is crazy, just walk this deal." I had just one friend in the industry say "do it". And I'm so glad I did. We got a 6,000 SF lot, house, and garage apartment for well under $400,000. Today it's worth a LOT more than that, and if I had listened to the crowd (remember, a lot of these folks are considered experts in their field), then I wouldn't have done the deal. Even if the market tanks twice as bad as it did in 2008-2009, I'd still be up more than $100,000.

Ok so now for some facts.

1. In the worst real estate crash in our lifetime (2008-2009), most of the Texas market fell about 7%, then fully recovered within 2 years. Prices are now almost double what they were back then in a lot of markets.

2. I always tell clients that if you don't intend to live in or hold a home around 5 years, you should continue renting. Our 2% rebate is awesome, but there are still costs associated with buying and selling that you have to consider. And your home shouldn't be viewed as a speculative investment. It's a place to live. Don't chase the Jones'. Refer to point 1 above…if you bought in Texas in 2007, and held for 5 years, you probably did just fine.

3. Let's say you buy a home for $300,000 then sell it for $300,000 in five years. Did you really break even? Or did you live for free for five years? (Of course you paid taxes and insurance and miscellaneous costs, but you also paid down your mortgage.)

4. Most people are like sheep, they just follow the crowd. You do you. Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful.

5. A lot of first time homebuyers (and experienced folks too for that matter) have a really tough time grasping the fact that regardless of how hot the market is, in real estate, you can still find good deals if you look hard enough. Fact.

6. Luke is awesome and would be a great guide for a first time homebuyer like yourself.
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I can tell how young you are. 08-09 was nothing compared to mid eighties.
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2000-2002 was pretty rough on sfh in Austin area when the layoffs started. I saw 20% drops in some areas once the foreclosures started. But 20 years later those same houses are now 150%+ higher.
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We are taking about the same event. Basically oil went to 13 a barrel and it rolled through Texas like a tidal waive. FYI I'm class of 82 so know exactly what the job market was looking for my first job.
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SteveBott said:

I can tell how young you are. 08-09 was nothing compared to mid eighties.


I hear you, but I think that scenario in DFW today is almost not possible because of how Texas changed it's cash out refi laws after the S&L crisis as well as the fact that in Houston in the early 80s, or Austin in the dot com boom, almost everyone was employed by the same industry, whereas DFW is so diversified it's not even close. Of course a major correction is possible and our economy is cyclical, but the overall point of my post is that if you buy responsibly, with a long enough time horizon, you reduce a lot of your worry. And I guess I didn't come out and say this explicitly, but don't buy so much house that you can barely afford your payments or are house poor and can't afford furniture. There's a thread just down from this one where folks are talking about their house payment as a percentage of pay. Try to keep it low, but in the very least, reasonable.
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And to expand on my post above, I'm not a Dave Ramsey disciple, but I really like his suggestion of getting a 30 year mortgage and making payments as if it were a 15 year note, especially for your first home. That way if something pops up, you have a buffer.
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Red Pear Realty said:

And to expand on my post above, I'm not a Dave Ramsey disciple, but I really like his suggestion of getting a 30 year mortgage and making payments as if it were a 15 year note, especially for your first home. That way if something pops up, you have a buffer.


No reason to pay off "cheap" debt in a high inflationary period
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I agree but you're offering the OP meat when she needs milk. Since the Fed started expanding its balance sheet by trillions, I've personally taken out millions in real estate debt because I knew/know what the result would be. But when someone like the OP starts a thread like this and says the things she does, I'm not going to advise them to leverage up to the max.
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Red Pear Realty said:

I agree but you're offering the OP meat when she needs milk. Since the Fed started expanding its balance sheet by trillions, I've personally taken out millions in real estate debt because I knew/know what the result would be. But when someone like the OP starts a thread like this and says the things she does, I'm not going to advise them to leverage up to the max.


I didn't say leverage to the max, I was just contradicting your statement on paying off the 30 as a 15.
If inflation is running why would you pay anything more than the bare minimum on any real estate debt that likely had a lower percentage than actual inflation.
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But what you're proposing is still a lukewarm path for a knowledgeable buyer. If you know the truth, which is that the dollar is dead, why not get rich from that knowledge?
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LaurenJean09 said:

My fiance and I just got our preapproval to buy a house in DFW. We are really looking south of DFW near Mansfield. I have had multiple people tell me that it is a terrible idea to buy right now because we will just end up upside down on our house in a few years. What are y'all's thoughts? Thank you!
I would try to avoid anyone who tells you to wait until things "get back to normal." The new normal isn't going to be reduced prices. It's going to be more stable pricing increases.
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Red Pear Realty said:

But what you're proposing is still a lukewarm path for a knowledgeable buyer. If you know the truth, which is that the dollar is dead, why not get rich from that knowledge?


What the hell are you talking about.
It's not that complicated. Inflation is above 4%
30 year mortgage rates are under 4%
Why pay anything more than the minimum?
Invest the difference if you want to pay the 15 note in something.

There is nothing lukewarm about this, I don't think the dollar is dead. It's simple math.
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Because she's not worried about return and maximizing wealth, she's worried about if she should buy at all because she might be underwater at some point in the future. So the advice I gave her was great for her. And not great for me. Not sure why that's difficult to understand.
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SteveBott said:

I can tell how young you are. 08-09 was nothing compared to mid eighties.
Not to highjack the thread, but ...

In the mid-'80s, I had a second job on the weekends working with a company that was cleaning and refurbishing foreclosed homes for banks/realtors in Houston.

I saw some downright sad and scary things in those abandoned houses. Most people just walked out and left behind all kinds of personal items, including kids' toys and clothes. Some damaged their homes in anger, punching holes in the walls, etc.

We worked on one street in Katy that had about 40 completed homes. All but a handful were vacant and in some stage of foreclosure. It was like a ghost town. Eerie.

Interest rates were INSANE back then.

The good news is that working seven days a week with my spouse for more than a year, we saved enough to buy our first home. It was a foreclosure.
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LaurenJean09 said:

My fiance and I just got our preapproval to buy a house in DFW. We are really looking south of DFW near Mansfield. I have had multiple people tell me that it is a terrible idea to buy right now because we will just end up upside down on our house in a few years. What are y'all's thoughts? Thank you!


First time home buyer in the suburbs of DFW is prime time war zone for this market. I'll never try to convince anyone from buying property so I say go for it. Just understand you're in for a battle.

My wife and I bought our third home August of 2020 in Southlake and thought we for sure paid top dollar and would take years to recover the equity. 1.5 years later it's worth 29% more.

No one knows exactly what will happen. If they did they would t be posting on texags.
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OP, when you moving? We live down in this area you are talking about - not in Mansfield but very near - and were in your situation 10 years ago when we moved in here. It is super hard to buy a starter home right now here, they are like hotcakes. Our house is now almost at 2x the value we bought 10 years ago. When we sell my wife and I are talking about opportunities to sell to someone like you for fair market price rather than someone swooping in and purchasing our house for leasing. We are talking about moving this year based on family situation, maybe we can chat, I know life never works out so we may not connect based on needs and timing with our house but happy to tell you about neighborhoods down here.
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This is how u TexAgs
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