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Inherited home questions

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aston158
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Apologies in advance for the long post.

My wife inherited her parents home recently…her dad passed in 2018 and her mom passed away in Oct 2022. She's an only child, so the estate/succession process was fairly smooth. The issue we have is that the home is in terrible condition (lots of issues), her parents did not take care of it, and lived there since the late 70's (single owner). The home is located in Lacombe, LA (north of New Orleans), and we live in OKC, which has been another challenge. It's in a great neighborhood, however is probably one of the smallest/worst condition homes in there.

Once we got the home somewhat cleaned out and emptied this spring, we had a realtor come by to help us with the process of getting it listed and sold. She immediately noticed some mold/mildew on the ceiling of the living area, and also in the master bathroom. We had somebody from Servpro come out to look at it last month, and started down the path of filing an insurance claim to get the mold remediated prior to listing and selling the home, thinking that it would sell quicker and for a better price if we had the mold taken care of. The homeowners insurance is thru The Hartford Group, who sent out a leak detection specialist to figure out if the mold in the living area was from a roof leak or HVAC leak, as part of the claim process. Well he didn't see any leaks with the roof, however did find a hole in a sewer line under the laundry room, and also noticed high moisture levels in the floors (all wood floors and tile). We also had an industrial hygienist come out to look at the mold in more detail and help determine how it needs to be remediated. We don't have any written reports yet from either inspector, I'm assuming we should receive them in another week or so.

Lastly, the septic system is out of compliance with current codes, so we are going to have to upgrade that prior to closing. We can't transfer utilities to the buyer until it passes a Parish inspection, so we're pretty much stuck with having to do that work, and have already started down that path.

The home 100% needs to be gutted and remodeled. Its only 1600 SF, 3 bed, 2 bath, so it's not huge but I cannot imagine somebody living there in it's current condition.

So, my questions are:

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  • Right now we're leaning towards not doing anything with the mold or hole in the sewer line, and just listing it "as-is" and trying to get it sold as quickly as possible (of course disclosing what we know about it). We had it appraised for $242k a few months ago, however the comps were all in much better condition, and I'm not sure the appraiser fully accounted for the condition of the home. Bad idea to list "as-is"? I know we're likely to be selling to investors and/or contractors who are looking for a deal, so they can flip it in a year or so after renovating. Anyone have any useful experience selling a similar condition home "as-is"?
  • We don't have the written reports from the leak detection or mold inspections last week, so I'm wondering if we should tell them to send us the invoice but not any written report? I don't want to know anymore than I already do, and am concerned that receiving that report is only going to open up this messy can of worms even more. I know that sounds borderline unethical, which is what I'm struggling with. I have no issues disclosing everything I know about, but don't want to know anymore than I already do. I'm kinda regretting even having the leak detection and industrial hygienist come out last week, but that ship has already sailed. Planning to ask the realtor her opinion today. Any realtors with an opinion on that?
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    TIA. Any advice and/or suggestions are much appreciated.
    Red Pear Realty
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    You can sell any house in any condition. It's just a matter of price. So if you choose not to remediate the mold and other issues, you will just forgo the cost of remediation plus the buyers cost of time and or capital to remediate plus their profit margin that they will need to bake in when they resell or rent. Finally, you will also give up the "what if" factor of money as well. What I mean by this is that a potential buyer is not going to know for certain how much the remediation work will cost. It might be a $2000 fix or it might be a $50,000 fix. Either way, the buyer is going to assume worst-case scenario pricing and you were going to give that up off of the sales price. So in your example, if market value is $242,000 "all clean", and the market assumes that worst case cleanup will cost $50,000, then you will likely sell for $242,000 less $50,000 less their profit incentive (20%?) of $50,000. So something like $142,000. So you have to decide if a potential $100,000 haircut is worth it to not clean it up.

    Whether you have a report in writing or not, if a buyer has reason to believe you knew about a deficiency and didn't disclose it, you and your agent are likely going to get sued.
    aston158
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    Thanks so much for the response, that's kinda how we've been thinking about it.

    Early on we considering doing the gut & renovate ourselves, but the idea of doing that from 700 miles away seemed daunting (we also have 4 young kids and a full schedule ourselves). Plus, the homeowners insurance situation in LA is a nightmare, and super expensive, so we pretty much tabled that and decided to just get it sold this summer. Just need to decide if we want to address the mold & sewer line prior to selling.

    Red Pear Realty
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    Yeah, there is very little chance I would move 700 miles away for multiple weeks/months to save that little money on an inherited house. And a lot of folks are bothered by the idea of a buyer making a profit off their sale. "How dare they!" Haha. Ok you do you.

    I think the best thing you could do would be to get remediation quotes and market the property with those in hand. That way the buyer knows their worst case spend. Should help you maximize your sales price.
    _lefraud_
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    If it were me:

    List it "As Is" below market and only to cash buyers, ibuyers, investors…and see what kind of offers you get. If after a few weeks, or even months you don't like the offers, then you can go with a full listing, but that will require you to throw more money at it (but could yield a higher price).

    Sounds like it would be best to get what you can as stress free as possible.
    aston158
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    appreciate the feedback.

    Pardon my ignorance, but when you say market only to cash/ibuyers/investors, is that something different than a MLS listing, or just specifying that you will only accept cash offers within the listing?

    also, what do you mean by "throw more money into it"? Are you just referring to treating the mold and other issues, or something else I'm not thinking of?

    100% agree on trying to get this sold with as little stress and headache as possible.
    Corps_Ag12
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    _lefraud_ said:

    If it were me:

    List it "As Is" below market and only to cash buyers, ibuyers, investors…and see what kind of offers you get. If after a few weeks, or even months you don't like the offers, then you can go with a full listing, but that will require you to throw more money at it (but could yield a higher price).

    Sounds like it would be best to get what you can as stress free as possible.


    I second this. My dad died in his house and I let the coroner do their thing then I sold it to a cash buyer as is after cleaning it out. He cleaned it up and listed it for 98k more that he gave me.

    It didn't bother me as the house was paid for and I am in Fort Worth while the house was in OKC. I did not want to try to renovate a house 150 miles away while working in corporate America.

    What I am getting at is if you don't need the max amount of money then unloading it as quickly as possible is the best way to go IMO.
    _lefraud_
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    Yes, a realtor can float the house out there to ibuyers, investers where they essentially make an offer on the house sight unseen. A realtor can also float a house within their brokerage. These deals can close in as little as two weeks. All this can be done without making a full MLS listing. Yes, you're limiting the buyer pool, but it's the fastest/cheapest way to unload a home.

    If you do a full MLS listing, and open the door to any buyer, you're probably going to get those that are buying with a government backed load, meaning a lot of red tape where you'll have to fix things in order for the house to close.

    Step one: find a realtor
    TXTransplant
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    Just a thought…there may be someone already living in the neighborhood who would like to buy it. My BF made an offer on a neighbors house after her son died in it. Other than ripping up the floor, she had done nothing to the house. He got a great deal and she got rid of the house, so mutually beneficial to both of them.
    2wealfth Man
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    We just sold an estate property; needed major foundation work, full sewer repair ($350/foot to tunnel nowadays) and a full renovation. The price tag and effort was just too much given we would have needed to hold on to the property for a while to get our money back, ever increasing property taxes, etc. We sold at a substantial discount knowing these things. My wife (it was her parents house) was bothered about having to price so low for a while but seems to have moved on once pass the emotion of it. Objectively, with money market rates of 4.3%, it is going to take a lot to make me let go of cash for a project like this.
    aston158
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    thanks for all the feedback.

    quick update on the last 2 months: we decided not to do anything about the mold, thinking it would be addressed by the buyer during a renovation (got 2 estimates for $3,500 and $7,000 for the remediation). Went ahead and repaired the broken sewer line under the laundry room and upgraded the septic system so it's compliant with current codes (total of ~$9,000 for both of those).

    we got the house listed on 6/19 and were shocked to have 2 offers by the 21st (I was expecting this to take 2-3 months to get any offers). Both were right at list price, but one was an FHA loan, so we took the other. neither were cash unfortunately, and neither were contractors/flippers.

    inspections were done this week. they did a video inspection of the sewer lines under the house (all cast iron) and are requesting we replace all of the cast iron lines. it looks like there's 1 break in the cast iron under the house somewhere, and there's also a spot just outside the house where its PVC and some roots have gotten into the line that they want us to repair. we're getting estimates for that, but i'm assuming replacing cast iron for PVC is going to be crazy expensive, relative to the sales price ($175k).

    Anyone have experience with replacing cast iron with PVC?

    i kinda think we may have listed it too low, since we got 2 offers so quickly, but hard to say. any other suggestions on how to counter back aside from either just doing all the work, or telling them no. i almost think if we did replace the cast iron with PVC (or at least fix the bad spots), we could re-list for a higher amount since we got so much more interest than I expected, but that's obviously risky too.

    TLDR: not sure what to do about inspection results, looking for advice. inherited house in Louisiana.
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