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Do I sell a rent house?

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Have my second child going to TAMU in the fall. We have the one kid paid for but not yet the second.

Commissions are lower for me this year. My wife has a steady job. We have 5 paid off rental properties.
One of them is a duplex that's probably worth close to $500k. We can rent it out for $3k+ per month total.

Do I sell the duplex to set aside the cash for my youngest? Or do I tough it out (which is a little more stressful) and rent it out again? If selling, if not back in to another rental, where do I invest the extra $350k?
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Why not just take out a HELOC? Use the proceeds as needed to pay for kiddo number 2 in school.

Cover the interest only monthly mortgage with the cash flow from the rental? You can then choose to sell it later or wait till commissions bounce back and repay it off but keep the credit line open and then repeat the strategy again for kiddo number 3?
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Personal choice. My grandmother had a saying about real estate. Keep it until you can't.
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My vote is to keep it. Like Luke said, a refinance is not a taxable event, so that would probably be the route I go. Don't think you can do HELOC's on a rent house in Texas though. But a plain Jane cash out refi should do. (Is it a refi if there's no debt in place already?)

If you sell, invest the delta back into a deal.
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Lines of credit are expensive against investment properties, but assuming good credit etc if you borrow no more then 60% loan to value you could get a 30 year fixed in the mid 6's with no pre-payment penalty. Not sure what student loans are running these days but doubt it is much lower then that.
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Tough it out and I think you will be glad you kept it.
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$36k annual income. Is that before expenses/taxes/etc.?

If it's really worth $500k, that's really poor performing equity.
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If you're willing to consider seller financing I'd love to have a discussion with you. Shoot me an email at figtreehomessa@gmail.com.
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Quote:

$36k annual income. Is that before expenses/taxes/etc.?

If it's really worth $500k, that's really poor performing equity.
Not agreeing or disagreeing, just curious of your analysis on this - can you share?
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MAS444 said:

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$36k annual income. Is that before expenses/taxes/etc.?

If it's really worth $500k, that's really poor performing equity.
Not agreeing or disagreeing, just curious of your analysis on this - can you share?


You have a $500,000 asset generating 7.2% gross return. Taxes (property and income), insurance, maintenance/repairs, vacancies, etc. erode that. Let's say 1.5% tax rate, so down to below 30k, insurance another few thousand... $26k? That's 5.2%.

You can buy a tax free bond in the mid 4s.

If you assume the property is appreciating, day 2% average... That's $10k return, so back to 7.2% on equity.

My opinion, there aren't many investments worse than paid off real estate. Redeploy the assets (into additional real estate or elsewhere).

I did say.. if it's worth $500k because I don't think cap rate investment valuation would sell this property at that value at that rent rate.
cjsag94
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Consideration for OPs question. If you've depreciated the home and/or have significant capital gains, be aware of potentially significant tax expense of exiting real estate investments without exchange.
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cjsag94 said:

MAS444 said:

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$36k annual income. Is that before expenses/taxes/etc.?

If it's really worth $500k, that's really poor performing equity.
Not agreeing or disagreeing, just curious of your analysis on this - can you share?


You have a $500,000 asset generating 7.2% gross return. Taxes (property and income), insurance, maintenance/repairs, vacancies, etc. erode that. Let's say 1.5% tax rate, so down to below 30k, insurance another few thousand... $26k? That's 5.2%.

You can buy a tax free bond in the mid 4s.

If you assume the property is appreciating, day 2% average... That's $10k return, so back to 7.2% on equity.

My opinion, there aren't many investments worse than paid off real estate. Redeploy the assets (into additional real estate or elsewhere).

I did say.. if it's worth $500k because I don't think cap rate investment valuation would sell this property at that value at that rent rate.
I didn't pay $500k for the house 17 years ago, so rate of return is much better than 7.2 or 5.2
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I'm not saying it wasn't a good investment or that the rate of return is 5.2 or 7.2. I'm saying now, if its worth 500k... Your return on equity is that.

Real estate has great rates of return due to leverage, but the closer it gets to being paid off, the return on equity declines. I find many real estate investors evaluate based on dollars of cash flow versus return on equity.

Real estate investing is very hard to get out of because of the taxes and costs. That's what most answers suggested you borrow against the equity versus selling it.
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OP's decision is a personal one that only he/she can decide.

I completely understand the numbers behind pulling out $$ for a refinance but Op has 5 properties and very well could be in the take less risk phase of his life.

I have a property worth about 2.5M and have a 100K loan left on it with a current Cap of about 2%. I would be better off refinancing and putting it in the S&P but it is nice to have less leverage and knowing I can tap that $$$ if I ever needed it.
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Agree it's a personal decision - except he posted on a message board asking for other's opinions. In this discussion, the OP is needing cash (for expense not to invest). So he either has to sell it, which will likely cost dearly in taxes and fees, or borrow against the equity.

If he borrowed, HELOC would be ideal. If he could only find a cash out ReFi, he would then need to buy something with the equity (real estate, stock market, fixed income, etc.) to generate additional income to cover the new loan and the additional college cash flow needs, or just use the cash out to pay the expense, which would lower his overall cash flow. This is just the reality as he has an upcoming significant expense (college) that he hasn't otherwise prepared for (accumulated a liquid college fund). If he does a cash out ReFi, he can't now or later set up a HELOC or otherwise cash out on the property without first refinancing the balance (no big deal assuming rates drop over time from here).

Real estate is a really inefficient investment. The leverage component makes it a good investment for building wealth, but you are stuck with it until you die in many cases as the tax and transaction costs can be so excessive to get out. Then accessing the equity requires expense, qualification, and an institution to offer that product.... And diminishes cash flow to access it and pay it back. You can't reasonably just sell $100,000 worth of your real estate asset (fractional selling).

In reality, OPs likely only real option is to borrow the equity to free up the cash, which spreads the cost of college over the life of the loan at the interest rate of the loan.

I own investment real estate... And I hate it. I'm getting great NET return on equity of about 17% right now. But I know I'm going to lose a good chunk of what I gained to get out or if there is any significant damage or maintenance expense (or insurance challenges/costs, vacancies, damage, etc). Add in that I think it's a joke that it's referred to as PASSIVE income.
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If he borrowed, HELOC would be ideal. If he could only find a cash out ReFi, he would then need to buy something with the equity (real estate, stock market, fixed income, etc.) to generate additional income to cover the new loan and the additional college cash flow needs, or just use the cash out to pay the expense, which would lower his overall cash flow. This is just the reality as he has an upcoming significant expense (college) that he hasn't otherwise prepared for (accumulated a liquid college fund). If he does a cash out ReFi, he can't now or later set up a HELOC or otherwise cash out on the property without first refinancing the balance (no big deal assuming rates drop over time from here).
The above is true for owner occupied properties but for a non-owner occupied properties. You can have a cash out mortgage and then take out additional cash later or set up a HELOC behind a cash out. The Texas A(6) laws you are referencing are for homesteads only. The A(6) laws di not apply to investment properties. However, lines of credit are MUCH more expensive on investment properties then they are for homesteads. They are typically going to be in the double digits.

My suggestion if the OP wants to borrow from the house is to borrow no more then 60% as that will give him the best fixed possible (rate would go up if borrowing 61% or more) and also allow the rent to still cover the payment with the new mortgage interest being tax deductible. of course if 30% LTV is enough money that would work too.
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