USGA..... here we go again

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5:31p, 3/14/23
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https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-and-r-a-ball-rollback-proposal?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=golfdigest


Garbage idea. Go ahead and make an out of balance ball for elite putters while you're at it.
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6:49p, 3/14/23
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I would've hoped Whan taking over the USGA would help make them not as insufferable, but apparently that's not the case.
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6:54p, 3/14/23
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Spieth said it about as good as you possibly could. IF you're forcing them to make ball changes just make the ball spin more. Rolling it back does absolutely nothing. Instead of Rahm having 120 in on a par 4 he will have 140. Big whoop. If you have a higher spin ball it'll force guys to scale back because mi****s will be incredibly punishing.



That being said I'm in the group of don't change a damn thing equipment wise.


Tighter fairways, thicker rough, make sand traps actual hazards......
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6:55p, 3/14/23
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Meh, bifurcation doesn't bother me. Just leave me alone. I think they make a credible argument that this isn't necessarily for today, but for the next 20 years.

Can't imagine it happening, but what if the PGA Tour, LPGA, Euro Tour, etc just say "nah, we're good."
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6:57p, 3/14/23
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What Will LIV Do?
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7:01p, 3/14/23
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I don't understand what the big deal is. There is already a (basically arbitrary) maximum distance standard, right?

Why does adjusting the rest criteria and essentially dialing it back matter?

If the issue is bifurcating then just dial it back for everyone.
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 7:03p, 3/14/23
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Mr.Bond said:
Spieth said it about as good as you possibly could. IF you're forcing them to make ball changes just make the ball spin more. Rolling it back does absolutely nothing. Instead of Rahm having 120 in on a par 4 he will have 140. Big whoop. If you have a higher spin ball it'll force guys to scale back because mi****s will be incredibly punishing.



That being said I'm in the group of don't change a damn thing equipment wise.


Tighter fairways, thicker rough, make sand traps actual hazards......

Agree that making them spin more would be a bigger impact on the pros.
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7:13p, 3/14/23
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It's something. Hopefully a better solution will develop.

But happy they're doing some thing.

Too many great courses are being degraded because the golf ball goes too far…

Just my opinion. I need length as much as anyone….

But seeing the ridiculous changes golf courses are making to accommodate the golf ball.

Enough is enough.
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7:29p, 3/14/23
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Length isn't everything. Everyone thought Bryson would destroy Augusta when he was drinking 30 protein shakes a day and carrying his driver 350. ...... we all saw how well that worked out. Courses can protect themselves from bombers
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 8:57p, 3/14/23
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Mr.Bond said:
Spieth said it about as good as you possibly could. IF you're forcing them to make ball changes just make the ball spin more. Rolling it back does absolutely nothing. Instead of Rahm having 120 in on a par 4 he will have 140. Big whoop. If you have a higher spin ball it'll force guys to scale back because mi****s will be incredibly punishing.



That being said I'm in the group of don't change a damn thing equipment wise.


Tighter fairways, thicker rough, make sand traps actual hazards......


Tighter fairways with thicker rough only further gives advantage to the longer hitters. If large percentage of the field misses the fairway, a shorter club out of the rough is an even bigger advantage. That's what we saw with Bryson winning at Winged Foot.
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9:13p, 3/14/23
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Triangle shaped fairways
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10:26p, 3/14/23
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I still say that golf has more of an ego problem than a distance one.
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4:51a, 3/15/23
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Driver/wedge golf is boring AF.
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6:28a, 3/15/23
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I think standardized lofts in equipment would help as well.
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 9:12a, 3/15/23
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Mr.Bond said:
Length isn't everything. Everyone thought Bryson would destroy Augusta when he was drinking 30 protein shakes a day and carrying his driver 350. ...... we all saw how well that worked out. Courses can protect themselves from bombers


Are you talking about the same Augusta that continually purchases more land to push tee boxes further and further back?
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9:15a, 3/15/23
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I absolutely hate this.

The amount of nerds who will play "tour balls" from the tips at their local course will destroy pace even further. It's already impossible to get people to play off the appropriate tee boxes.
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In reply to cb1919 • 12:55p, 3/15/23
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cb1919 said:
Mr.Bond said:
Length isn't everything. Everyone thought Bryson would destroy Augusta when he was drinking 30 protein shakes a day and carrying his driver 350. ...... we all saw how well that worked out. Courses can protect themselves from bombers


Are you talking about the same Augusta that continually purchases more land to push tee boxes further and further back?



Yes they have been yet my original statement about bryson stands. He still couldn't bomb and gouge that course like predicted
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In reply to The Milkman • 12:56p, 3/15/23
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The Milkman said:
Mr.Bond said:
Spieth said it about as good as you possibly could. IF you're forcing them to make ball changes just make the ball spin more. Rolling it back does absolutely nothing. Instead of Rahm having 120 in on a par 4 he will have 140. Big whoop. If you have a higher spin ball it'll force guys to scale back because mi****s will be incredibly punishing.



That being said I'm in the group of don't change a damn thing equipment wise.


Tighter fairways, thicker rough, make sand traps actual hazards......


Tighter fairways with thicker rough only further gives advantage to the longer hitters. If large percentage of the field misses the fairway, a shorter club out of the rough is an even bigger advantage. That's what we saw with Bryson winning at Winged Foot.



Even with thicker rough winged foot played pretty open. Make the rough longer. Reward the guys that hit fairways
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 2:02p, 3/15/23
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Funky Winkerbean said:
Driver/wedge golf is boring AF.


That's why I tend to play each hole Driver/long iron/wedge/other wedge/putter/putter/putter

Keeps it interesting.
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 2:40p, 3/15/23
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But if you tighten fairways, then the "guys who hit fairways" still miss them.
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In reply to The Milkman • 2:47p, 3/15/23
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The Milkman said:
But if you tighten fairways, then the "guys who hit fairways" still miss them.



Then make the rough 6 to 8 inches and roll
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7:09p, 3/15/23
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JT said it pretty well, too.

https://sports.yahoo.com/bad-game-justin-thomas-doesn-163054029.html


"Thomas, the highest-ranked player in the field at Valspar at No. 10, said he's all for not letting it go any further. But he stands against rolling the game back into the 1990s.

"I mean, people are running faster," said Thomas, "so, what, are they just going to make the length of a mile longer so that the fastest mile time doesn't change, or are they going to put the NBA hoop at 13 feet because people can jump higher now?

"Like, no. It's evolution. We're athletes now. Like, we're training to hit the ball further and faster and if you can do it, so good for you. So yeah, as you can tell, I'm clearly against it."

Sam Burns, who is going for a three-peat here at Innisbrook Resort's Copperhead Course, thinks the whole idea of a rollback is "pretty silly."
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In reply to khaos288 • 7:28p, 3/15/23
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khaos288 said:
I absolutely hate this.

The amount of nerds who will play "tour balls" from the tips at their local course will destroy pace even further. It's already impossible to get people to play off the appropriate tee boxes.
This.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 8:16p, 3/15/23
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Funky Winkerbean said:
Driver/wedge golf is boring AF.
What is not boring AF for you?

Driver 8 iron? Driver 4 iron?

To me it's interesting that pros can try to drive 360 par 4s, and get on in 2 on 600 yard par 5s.

That's what makes them pros. Just because the pros can hit it 330 and straight doesn't mean it's easy.
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In reply to khaos288 • 9:10p, 3/15/23
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khaos288 said:
I absolutely hate this.

The amount of nerds who will play "tour balls" from the tips at their local course will destroy pace even further. It's already impossible to get people to play off the appropriate tee boxes.



I highly, highly doubt these balls would be sold to the masses. But who knows
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9:56p, 3/15/23
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I think it's almost a guarantee that anyone will be able to buy them. It would be very weird if the usga makes this rule and then doesn't let the public buy them and allow players to compare the "pro" golf balls to the normal golf balls.
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11:15p, 3/15/23
I think growing the rough out and have bunkers actually play as a bunker and not a manicured sandy area with perfect lies would go a long way. When pros purposely hit into bunkers on certain holes because the miss is better there then they aren't serving their purpose…. The argument that older courses are obsolete for tour pros because they are too easy is a piss poor excuse. Just take away pro golfers from the argument and just look at the number of scratch golfers in the world. A quick google search says it's 1.5% of all golfers. Let people play the damn game and leave it alone. God forbid a handful of weeks out of the year some pros destroy a course and put up a ton of birdies. The world won't stop turning.
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6:23a, 3/16/23
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I actually like the idea. Kinda surprised to see I'm in the minority. I miss watching tournaments in the 90s. Loved seeing US opens where par won. Love seeing longer approaches with curvature to feed to a pin location. Loved watching creative short game shots to win tournaments. The driver sand wedge game only elevates certain players. That's a part of why, for the most part, the same 10 guys win every week.
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6:57a, 3/16/23
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Remember when players had to get creative to control the spin on their wedges? It used to be the ball was spinning "too much", and the manufacturers responded with balls with less spin. I think the USGA is just saying we've gone too far with the technology as it's had an adverse affect on the strategy in the game. Pros don't hit hooks anymore, just pulls and pushes. They don't have to stress over hitting a short iron hard and having it spin back off the green. I personally enjoyed that part of the game and I hope they do get the ball spinning a bit more.
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7:07a, 3/16/23
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Read the article. The proposal is very vague and not particularly well thought out. Hallmarks of a proposal formulated under the "we've got to do something" notion when nobody can agree on a solution to an abstract problem.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 7:16a, 3/16/23
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Funky Winkerbean said:
Remember when players had to get creative to control the spin on their wedges? It used to be the ball was spinning "too much", and the manufacturers responded with balls with less spin. I think the USGA is just saying we've gone too far with the technology as it's had an adverse affect on the strategy in the game. Pros don't hit hooks anymore, just pulls and pushes. They don't have to stress over hitting a short iron hard and having it spin back off the green. I personally enjoyed that part of the game and I hope they do get the ball spinning a bit more.
Watch this.
Pros make plenty of goofs, shanks, and hooks.
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7:26a, 3/16/23
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I don't have a strong opinion either way but assuming this goes through, I'm curious about the logistics of this.

Who's going to manufacture this ball and exactly how is the USGA going to make that happen? Not understanding why Titleist (or anyone else) would sink a bunch of money and time into a ball that only the pros use or has extremely limited marketability (I'm sure some will play it occasionally out of curiosity but I don't see a sustained market for an intentionally underperforming ball).
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 9:04a, 3/16/23
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Mr.Bond said:
khaos288 said:
I absolutely hate this.

The amount of nerds who will play "tour balls" from the tips at their local course will destroy pace even further. It's already impossible to get people to play off the appropriate tee boxes.



I highly, highly doubt these balls would be sold to the masses. But who knows
I highly doubt they would be withheld. Where there is money to be made, it will be made in America. Tons of ego monster half decent players will buy them. Tons of top amateurs who want to practice for their professional dreams need easy access.
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In reply to khaos288 • 9:15a, 3/16/23
This. There are literally millions of golfers who go out every weekend and lose an entire $50 box of prov's because they suck. If they come out with a new "pro" ball. It will be bought by plenty of golfers who'd be better off with a nitro from Walmart.
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In reply to khaos288 • 9:22a, 3/16/23
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khaos288 said:
Mr.Bond said:
khaos288 said:
I absolutely hate this.

The amount of nerds who will play "tour balls" from the tips at their local course will destroy pace even further. It's already impossible to get people to play off the appropriate tee boxes.



I highly, highly doubt these balls would be sold to the masses. But who knows
I highly doubt they would be withheld. Where there is money to be made, it will be made in America. Tons of ego monster half decent players will buy them. Tons of top amateurs who want to practice for their professional dreams need easy access.



I personally think you're giving way too much credit to this. As soon as your buddy who never out drove you starts to...... You'll quickly change back. In my opinion it would be nothing more than a brief novelty and brief novelties aren't good for business decisions
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