Rahm LIV Rumor

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In reply to cb1919 • 9:15a, 12/1/23
cb1919 said:
AustinCountyAg said:
cb1919 said:
E said:
Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:
What does LIV get for $600 million?

That's a lot of cheddar for one golfer no matter how good he is.
To further this point, since the PIF is now invested in the PGA, why would they pay $600 million to move from one of their investments to another?


PIF hasn't invested in the PGA. They are trying to. I don't think those talks are going that well, which is probably why they're still working on buying players from LIV.

Now what they actually get for the $600 million is hard to quantify. Their goal is sports washing, not building a professional golf league.
sorta, yes they have some sports washing type of value in what they are doing, but you can bet your ass it is also a competition to them to prove to America that they can start a brand new golf league that can compete and possibly surpass the PGAT. A lot of pride at stake to them imo as well.


I think this year in terms of golf viewership percentages I was probably 60/40 watching PGAT over LIV. Five years ago I watched damn near every tournament every weekend. My viewing habits have certainly changes since LIV started and will continue now that John is going over.....along with other names that will be announced soon. Curious to see who also is making the move.

The PGA Tour trying to run a viable professional golf league v LIV just buying players isn't really a competition.
judging from the caliber of players LIV has gotten lately it seems to suggest otherwise.

What do you think the PIF is? It is the PGAT doing the same things LIV is doing on a lower caliber. Trying to buy it's top players and give them free money from jumping ship.
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In reply to cb1919 • 10:34a, 12/1/23
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cb1919 said:
AustinCountyAg said:
cb1919 said:
E said:
Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:
What does LIV get for $600 million?

That's a lot of cheddar for one golfer no matter how good he is.
To further this point, since the PIF is now invested in the PGA, why would they pay $600 million to move from one of their investments to another?


PIF hasn't invested in the PGA. They are trying to. I don't think those talks are going that well, which is probably why they're still working on buying players from LIV.

Now what they actually get for the $600 million is hard to quantify. Their goal is sports washing, not building a professional golf league.
sorta, yes they have some sports washing type of value in what they are doing, but you can bet your ass it is also a competition to them to prove to America that they can start a brand new golf league that can compete and possibly surpass the PGAT. A lot of pride at stake to them imo as well.


I think this year in terms of golf viewership percentages I was probably 60/40 watching PGAT over LIV. Five years ago I watched damn near every tournament every weekend. My viewing habits have certainly changes since LIV started and will continue now that John is going over.....along with other names that will be announced soon. Curious to see who also is making the move.

The PGA Tour trying to run a viable professional golf league v LIV just buying players isn't really a competition.
Thinking they are somehow different is a joke.
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11:05a, 12/1/23
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Where there is smoke...
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In reply to AgLA06 • 7:56a, 12/2/23
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AgLA06 said:
cb1919 said:
AustinCountyAg said:
cb1919 said:
E said:
Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:
What does LIV get for $600 million?

That's a lot of cheddar for one golfer no matter how good he is.
To further this point, since the PIF is now invested in the PGA, why would they pay $600 million to move from one of their investments to another?


PIF hasn't invested in the PGA. They are trying to. I don't think those talks are going that well, which is probably why they're still working on buying players from LIV.

Now what they actually get for the $600 million is hard to quantify. Their goal is sports washing, not building a professional golf league.
sorta, yes they have some sports washing type of value in what they are doing, but you can bet your ass it is also a competition to them to prove to America that they can start a brand new golf league that can compete and possibly surpass the PGAT. A lot of pride at stake to them imo as well.


I think this year in terms of golf viewership percentages I was probably 60/40 watching PGAT over LIV. Five years ago I watched damn near every tournament every weekend. My viewing habits have certainly changes since LIV started and will continue now that John is going over.....along with other names that will be announced soon. Curious to see who also is making the move.

The PGA Tour trying to run a viable professional golf league v LIV just buying players isn't really a competition.
Thinking they are somehow different is a joke.


Come on. Of course they are different.
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In reply to cb1919 • 9:12a, 12/2/23
cb1919 said:
AgLA06 said:
cb1919 said:
AustinCountyAg said:
cb1919 said:
E said:
Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:
What does LIV get for $600 million?

That's a lot of cheddar for one golfer no matter how good he is.
To further this point, since the PIF is now invested in the PGA, why would they pay $600 million to move from one of their investments to another?


PIF hasn't invested in the PGA. They are trying to. I don't think those talks are going that well, which is probably why they're still working on buying players from LIV.

Now what they actually get for the $600 million is hard to quantify. Their goal is sports washing, not building a professional golf league.
sorta, yes they have some sports washing type of value in what they are doing, but you can bet your ass it is also a competition to them to prove to America that they can start a brand new golf league that can compete and possibly surpass the PGAT. A lot of pride at stake to them imo as well.


I think this year in terms of golf viewership percentages I was probably 60/40 watching PGAT over LIV. Five years ago I watched damn near every tournament every weekend. My viewing habits have certainly changes since LIV started and will continue now that John is going over.....along with other names that will be announced soon. Curious to see who also is making the move.

The PGA Tour trying to run a viable professional golf league v LIV just buying players isn't really a competition.
Thinking they are somehow different is a joke.


Come on. Of course they are different.


Why is LIV a lesser league? Do you think in general they don't play to win and tour guys do?

And conversely, do you think every single pgat player plays to win every weekend every round they're playing?

Theyve all been quoted many times over that it's a profession and they're mercenaries. The truly great ones go above and beyond and have a killer instinct to achieve more. Nothing is different on LIV and the ones without the huge guaranteed deals actually have more incentive to play better than they ever did on the PGAT. Gooch changed his and his family's entire life last year with his quality of play.
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 9:31a, 12/2/23
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I don't think the tournaments are that serious, it's the same way I feel about the Match on TNT. That's not what I was talking about though.

Yes, LIV and the tour are after the same players, but I don't think they're really in "competition" because they don't have the same end goal. Let's assume the Rahm numbers are true, if you pay $600 million for a golfer, you aren't trying to start a viable professional golf tour. There are ulterior motives.
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In reply to cb1919 • 9:38a, 12/2/23
Comparing LIV to the Match is absolutely ridiculous imo.

I would suggest watching an entire weekend of LIV play and try to come to that same conclusion. I'm fine with the opinion that some have that want to say it's lesser from a competitive standpoint than the tour even though i disagree, but comparing it to stuff like the match is laughable.

Brooks basically cried after winning a LIV tournament year 1 when he thought he might never be healthy again, and used that validation to win the PGA and almost win the Masters. If someone ever paid him enough to even consider playing in something like The Match he wouldn't give 2 ****s about it.

Same for guys like BCD, Cam etc. Actually, didn't Bryson play in one of those? Compare his reaction to that to his team winning the team title last year on LIV. And he's money talks. But money talks on the Tour also. It's the #1 driving factor.
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In reply to cb1919 • 9:46a, 12/2/23
cb1919 said:
I don't think the tournaments are that serious, it's the same way I feel about the Match on TNT. That's not what I was talking about though.

Yes, LIV and the tour are after the same players, but I don't think they're really in "competition" because they don't have the same end goal. Let's assume the Rahm numbers are true, if you pay $600 million for a golfer, you aren't trying to start a viable professional golf tour. There are ulterior motives.


What an absolute BS take.
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 10:06a, 12/2/23
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I know. I wasn't really serious with the comparison to the match, but I do think they aren't really serious golf tournaments and I don't think the guys really care outside of the money.

Man I just think having split tours really sucks for golf. I don't care if it was LIV or PGA Tour or something else. The PGA tour needed a massive overhaul that Monahan has been too stubborn or dumb to make happen.

What's frustrating is LIV is just lighting money on fire to get guys to come over and the outcome is just going to make professional golf like tennis. We will care about 4 tournaments every year.

I was excited about the "merger" cause it would've gotten all the big names playing together again.

Golf should copy the F1 model. It's so obvious. Have 50ish guys that play 20 tournaments a year that everyone shows up for. Have the majors, Riv, the Players, Waste Mgmt, add a tournament at one of the incredible courses in Australia, etc. Korn Ferry and the rest of the tour merge and play all the bs tournaments and have 20 guys on the main tour get relegated every year and new guys come up.

I think LIV got some stuff right, but you can't replicate what a tournament like the Players has created over 40 years overnight and make people care.
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In reply to cb1919 • 10:11a, 12/2/23
I think we'll get there, it's just going to take a handful of years of weirdness.
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 11:40a, 12/2/23
Bryson celebrating team golf is as cringe as you can possibly get. That's a terrible take.
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In reply to class of 03 • 11:51a, 12/2/23
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Bryson celebrating team golf is as cringe as you can possibly get. That's a terrible take.


Why? Because you don't like him? Do you think he wasn't invested in winning that?
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 12:20p, 12/2/23
I don't think he is invested in winning team golf, no. That's my opinion, yes.
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9:59p, 12/2/23
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Is anyone watching? Doesn't seem so. Rahm isn't changing that.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 11:18p, 12/2/23
That's kinda my point
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6:59a, 12/3/23
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Rahm may take the bag of money. But the guy is chasing legacy. He's chasing Seve. He's gonna make hundreds of millions with either choice. To me, what has kept him away so far and what likely continues to keep him away is that staying PGAT provides the best opportunity to leave the legacy he envisions.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 8:16a, 12/4/23
Should be obvious to most at the point that Majors are what defines the guys career and what they highly regard. Rahm can still get those playing LIV and make a **** ton of money. Not to mention with the way all the crap went down with Jay going behind the players backs. I think that did more harm than most want to admit.
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8:35a, 12/4/23
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I've watched some of the LIV tournaments, and while the format needs to be refined, the biggest issue I have is that there is no cut. Sure, the bottom quarter of the players get relegated and have to earn their status back, but some of them are guys we've barely (if ever) heard of in many cases. Others are has-beens.

Professional golf is cutthroat; the looming possibility of missing a cut and not making any money is a big part of what makes these guys nervous on the first tee. Remove that, and it becomes just a little bit more than a hit and giggle.
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8:38a, 12/4/23
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Sorry but the no cut thing lost all teeth with the PGAT doing the same thing for their designated events. That really makes them look bad imo.
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In reply to AustinCountyAg • 8:43a, 12/4/23
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AustinCountyAg said:
Should be obvious to most at the point that Majors are what defines the guys career and what they highly regard. Rahm can still get those playing LIV and make a **** ton of money. Not to mention with the way all the crap went down with Jay going behind the players backs. I think that did more harm than most want to admit.


He would have gone long before now if that's all it took. It depends on what he sees as the absolute best way to sharpen himself to win 4 round majors.
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In reply to 98Ag99Grad • 11:05a, 12/4/23
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Sorry but the no cut thing lost all teeth with the PGAT doing the same thing for their designated events. That really makes them look bad imo.
Yep. Team free agency and relegation is on level with that the PGAT is doing elsewhere.

Year one, there was some "and 1" type players that came with signing stars. I imagine C & D type players will evolve to be up and comers or more global reach guys like Asian tour stars or guys from Europe.
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11:10a, 12/4/23
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More top players on LIV payroll gives the PIF more leverage dealing with the PGA and the merger if it happens.

And I'd think Rahm can continue to chase legacy with or without LIV... but with LIV, with $600,000,000.00.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 11:24a, 12/4/23
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AustinCountyAg said:
Should be obvious to most at the point that Majors are what defines the guys career and what they highly regard. Rahm can still get those playing LIV and make a **** ton of money. Not to mention with the way all the crap went down with Jay going behind the players backs. I think that did more harm than most want to admit.


He would have gone long before now if that's all it took. It depends on what he sees as the absolute best way to sharpen himself to win 4 round majors.
not necessarily. It was a brand new league with tons of question marks still. Now with they way Jay handled everything, and him seeing that you can go to LIV and still compete in the majors....He wont be the only big name jumping ship soon
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7:33p, 12/4/23
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Tiger jumped over 400 spots in the OWGR by "competing" in the 20 man, no cut unofficial PGAT event this past weekend.

Maybe LIV needs to have a similar event sprinkled in every year to earn OWGR points.
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In reply to _lefraud_ • 8:51p, 12/4/23
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Tiger jumped over 400 spots in the OWGR by "competing" in the 20 man, no cut unofficial PGAT event this past weekend.

Maybe LIV needs to have a similar event sprinkled in every year to earn OWGR points.
That's a joke.

ETA: not your post Lafraud, Tiger moving up 400 spots is a joke.
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12:01p, 12/5/23
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They talked about the Rahm rumors on the No Laying Up podcast and had a pretty fascinating take from another reporter (don't remember his name). Talked about how it's the best time for LIV to get new PGA players and for PGA players to go.

Grossly oversimplifying…

From Rahms prospective: cash in now before the tours merge. You get a fat pay day and may never hit a shot on the LIV tour.

From Saudi prospective: The PGA tour is weighing Saudi money v private equity money. If you get Rahm and other big name guys, you force the tours hand to deal with you instead of private equity.
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In reply to cb1919 • 12:23p, 12/5/23
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Heard that too. At this point I'd be surprised if he doesn't go. he could easily shoot all this down but hasn't.
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In reply to 98Ag99Grad • 12:33p, 12/5/23
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And he's shot down rumors in the past
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6:49p, 12/5/23
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$550 million offer! I'd join for sure.
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9:47a, 12/7/23
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ARAAAAAAB MONEY

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9:56a, 12/7/23
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Not surprising if that's accurate. Saw something yesterday that Jason Day and Adrian Meronk could also follow.
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In reply to GumboGuy • 9:56a, 12/7/23
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Bleacher Report couldn't find a picture that wasn't 3+ years old?
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In reply to GumboGuy • 10:06a, 12/7/23
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Aggie Therapist said:
ARAAAAAAB MONEY


Are we supposed to post that about the LPGA or the PGAT as well?

https://progolfweekly.com/entire-pga-tour-playoffs-sponsored-by-brands-making-billions-from-saudi-arabia/

Or post CHINESE MONEY for the PGAT?

https://insidesources.com/the-pga-tours-sportswashing-problem-in-china/


I don't understand how people can be so adamantly against something, yet be so ignorant on the topic.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 10:10a, 12/7/23
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What? It's just a joke man.

good lord
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In reply to GumboGuy • 10:13a, 12/7/23
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I'm going to let you in on a secret. No one can gets satire clues from words on the internet. It doesn't work unless you're in person or provide context clues.
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