5 1/2 hour round? Really?

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MarkPro
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12:43a, 1/27/25
Last group in the final round took five and a half hours to play 18 holes! That's unwatchable. Wonder how CBS felt about that. I realize the product they aired was probably recorded and edited, but wow.
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4:19a, 1/27/25
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It was live.

Last group took 3 hours to play the front and Dottie Pepper made her feelings known live on the air.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/dottie-pepper-slow-play-criticism-farmers-open/amp
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7:39a, 1/27/25
Yes...my ears perked up when she expressed that. It was great to hear some legit criticism that wasn't the typical bland observations you get. She'll probably get fired now.
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7:48a, 1/27/25
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Who caused the backup?
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8:26a, 1/27/25
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SHRINK THE GAME!
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Buck Compton
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8:35a, 1/27/25
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I'm all about a shot clock like they have at TGL. Especially on the green.
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9:05a, 1/27/25
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It is outrageous and it would be so easy to fix if they would just commit to having an official walking with each group. They could not only keep time, but also be there immediately to rule on drops, OB etc.

Anyone who says things along the lines "these guys are playing for a lot of money... I'd take my time too!" is insane. You could stand there and analyze a shot a million different ways, wait out the wind, and do whatever it takes to give yourself the best chance of hitting the perfect shot. But these are the best players in the world and part of high level sports is making critical decisions under pressure. It would be like taking away the play clock from Pat Mahomes and let him read the defense until he's perfectly ready.

Fines don't matter. They'll happily pay $10,000 if it means securing a win, their tour card, and huge purses. Slap stroke penalties on them and it could drop someone a couple spots on the leaderboard or get them booted from the elevated events etc. That they would take seriously.
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In reply to Buck Compton • 9:21a, 1/27/25
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Buck Compton said:
I'm all about a shot clock like they have at TGL. Especially on the green.
I would love this. Put it up on the screen like an NFL/NBA shot clock. Wish I could get this enforced on groups in front of me during some of my own rounds.
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In reply to zephyr88 • 9:49a, 1/27/25
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Who caused the backup?
Last group to tee off. Can't remember who was in it.
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9:54a, 1/27/25
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when I turned the broadcast on, the last group was standing on the tee box of #3 which is a par 3. It was playing around 135 but the wind was tricky. well they stood there for over 10 minutes because the group ahead had sprayed balls all over the place and were on a safari in the weeds looking for balls. I don't know if they fell out of position the rest of the front 9 but the initial back-up was because of the group in front of them.

They actually finished within the broadcast window which is amazing and sad at the same time.
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Peter Piper
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10:07a, 1/27/25
People have been complaining about slow play for years and the PGAT does nothing about it. It's something that is easily enforced but the tour nor the players care about it.
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In reply to Peter Piper • 10:21a, 1/27/25
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The problem is "the Tour" = the players. They dictate it themselves, and the majority of them aren't going to do something that might make it harder for themselves.
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In reply to The Milkman • 10:39a, 1/27/25
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The Milkman said:
The problem is "the Tour" = the players. They dictate it themselves, and the majority of them aren't going to do something that might make it harder for themselves.
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12:07p, 1/27/25
Professional golf is a much better product in 2somes. The pace is so much better and that is the usual approach after the cut. The issue right now is that the days are too short. This is also one area where I think LIV's format is a miss since they are 3somes and 5 hour rounds all the time
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8:17a, 1/29/25
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1. Let caddies use lasers and GPS devices.

2. Have warnings and penalties carry over from round to round and tourney to tourney. Like cards in a soccer tournament. There are certain repeat offenders.

3. The problem with a shot clock is that there are so many variables. How do you change the allowed time for someone with a 50 foot putt vs a 6 foot putt? Or when it's gusty and rainy vs still? I think you could figure this out. Maybe have categories of shots that have different shot clock lengths. Would be a little complicated but I bet they can figure it out.
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In reply to CFTXAG10 • 8:55a, 1/29/25
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CFTXAG10 said:
Buck Compton said:
I'm all about a shot clock like they have at TGL. Especially on the green.
I would love this. Put it up on the screen like an NFL/NBA shot clock. Wish I could get this enforced on groups in front of me during some of my own rounds.
What's your problem man. I should be allowed to take 5 minutes to examine my shot and practice my swing just so I can shank it 90 degrees right/left of the intended target
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In reply to wangus12 • 9:16a, 1/29/25
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wangus12 said:
CFTXAG10 said:
Buck Compton said:
I'm all about a shot clock like they have at TGL. Especially on the green.
I would love this. Put it up on the screen like an NFL/NBA shot clock. Wish I could get this enforced on groups in front of me during some of my own rounds.
What's your problem man. I should be allowed to take 5 minutes to examine my shot and practice my swing just so I can shank it 90 degrees right/left of the intended target
Got a good laugh. Thanks for that.

My group of four was behind another group that had no idea what they were doing this past weekend. Should have been teeing off from the white tee box tbh but nope, they were going for gold. Felt like I was watching the three stooges. Lasted all of about 3 holes before we politely asked to play through. Its one thing if you aren't very good and trying to learn the game of golf on the fly. Its a whole other thing when its taking you 6-7 shots to get it on a par 3 green.
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In reply to bagger05 • 9:31a, 1/29/25
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Same shot clock for all shots

Not enough time for your 50' putt? You're a pro...Hit it closer.
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In reply to wangus12 • 11:29a, 1/29/25
wangus12 said:
CFTXAG10 said:
Buck Compton said:
I'm all about a shot clock like they have at TGL. Especially on the green.
I would love this. Put it up on the screen like an NFL/NBA shot clock. Wish I could get this enforced on groups in front of me during some of my own rounds.
What's your problem man. I should be allowed to take 5 minutes to examine my shot and practice my swing just so I can shank it 90 degrees right/left of the intended target
I worked at a Golf Course for 5 years, my fave was the guys who hit the190yd wiper slice off the tee on a par 5 then patiently waited for the green to clear some 250-300 yards ahead of them before they would hit.

If anyone in a group ahead of you uses the term "golfing" , or, putts with their index finger pointing straight down the shaft of their putter, or, wears a glove while putting prepare for a 5+ hour round because those guys don't let people play through
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In reply to EliteElectric • 11:39a, 1/29/25
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 11:45a, 1/29/25
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Tell me you put with your finger down the shaft without telling me
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12:03p, 1/29/25
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There are really no compelling players or venues on the PGAT anymore. Every time I flip through and watch there is some golf automaton leading a tourney with -20. Pebble Beach is one of the few courses that has that cachet as a venue. I also liked the ACC for the Dell match play.
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In reply to snowaggie • 12:38p, 1/29/25
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snowaggie said:
zephyr88 said:
Who caused the backup?
Last group to tee off. Can't remember who was in it.
So, the remainder of the field finished an hour ahead of the last group???
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12:41p, 1/29/25
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Here's the final round pairing sheet.
https://www.farmersinsuranceopen.com/wp-content/uploads/Saturday-Jan-25-FIO-Pairings.pdf

Was it only English, Novac and Potgieter?

Did everyone else finish in a more reasonable time?

They had split tees, so it should have been very efficient.


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1:32p, 1/29/25
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list of slowest players, Cantlay drives me nuts looking at putts

https://www.essentiallysports.com/golf-news-three-slowest-pga-tour-pros-explored-amid-glaring-pace-of-play-issues/
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6:01p, 1/29/25
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Stripe the damn course with green paint... small dots or something that the players can see, but TV doesn't really pick up.

Mark the yardage. Take the elephant in the room that every one thinks is this big dang secret and give them the damn yardage!!!!

Par 3's should be posted. 192 yards 17 inches to the pin from the center of the tee markers!

They spend at least a minute working on yardages... put a gps on the caddy, any 1 of a dozen ideas.

Take 1 minute out of 30 shots each, and your speeding up the round of golf!!!!!
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In reply to EliteElectric • 6:09p, 1/29/25
EliteElectric said:
DannyDuberstein said:

Tell me you put with your finger down the shaft without telling me
Ah, the old 'Whiskey Finger'
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7:07p, 1/29/25
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Has the use of range finders at the PGA the last 4 years actually helped their pace of play? I haven't seen any data on their average round time versus a standard tour round. My gut says it's pretty much the same.
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In reply to The Milkman • 8:54p, 1/29/25
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Peter Piper
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11:30a, 2/13/25
LPGA is doing something about it.

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/43827314/lpga-announces-pace-play-changes-start-march
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In reply to Buck Compton • 3:07p, 2/13/25
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Buck Compton said:
I'm all about a shot clock like they have at TGL. Especially on the green.

I'll volunteer to walk with a group with an air horn at the ready.
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In reply to The Milkman • 3:37p, 2/13/25
The Milkman said:
Has the use of range finders at the PGA the last 4 years actually helped their pace of play? I haven't seen any data on their average round time versus a standard tour round. My gut says it's pretty much the same.
Ryan palmer went on the Sub Par podcast and he said it doesn't help at all. The yardages doesn't slow them down unless they're way off the fairway. The only way to speed them up is to get rid of aim point and start penalizing the golfers.
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3:40p, 2/13/25
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The greens are definitely where the issue is and the focus needs to be. I'd apply a firm putting shot clock.
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6:11p, 2/13/25
https://www.nbcsports.com/golf/news/collin-morikawa-throws-shade-at-lucas-glovers-aimpoint-attack-with-this-suggestion

Not sure why Morikawa brought up the idea of banning the broomstick in response to Glover's suggestion to ban the use of Aimpoint.

Putting with the broomstick doesn't affect pace of play.

Guess even graduating from Cal Berkley doesn't preclude you from saying something stupid,
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11:00p, 2/13/25
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Track it and make it public. Put it up on the PGAT website. That would be a good start.

Start the clock as soon as it is your turn. Stop the clock when you've hit your shot.

Post stats. Time to shot from tee, fairway, around the green, on the green.
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