Not even the all-time greats have taken this long to execute a single putt.
Painful.

This is insane. 2 minutes to take a 15 foot putt.

You need to watch the whole video to understand how horrible this is. Words can’t describe the cringe.

This is 100% on the PGA Tour. They could stop this tomorrow with a one stroke penalty.

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— Rick Golfs (@Top100Rick) February 24, 2025

He definitely took a long time over that simple putt, but to be fair, it was roughly 1:40 from the time he arrived at his ball to pick it up and then hit the putt, not 2 minutes. The other guys were looking at their putts while Rai was putting his ball. I'm assuming Rai would have done the same if someone else was putting first.

He could have been more efficient, and I totally agree that slow play is a problem, but sometimes you have to look at the whole picture of what's happening on the green, tee box, etc.

The greenside areas are where the biggest delays happen in the PGA. Put a shot clock at each one with an official. 50 seconds for first to play and 40 after that. Players get 2 40 second extensions per round. No warnings and every delay is 1 shot penalty.

Scores will go up some, but it won't be much.

If people want a shot clock following each group, I would support it but it is logistically more challenging due to portability of clock and need for official with each group.

Jim Furyk was his mentor.

Yeah. A shot clock behind each green would nip this in the bud. Shouldn't be intrusive to play. Just need an official to hit "start/reset" when players reach the green and when it's time for the next putt.

it was a little long because he fumbled with the ball and something in his pocket then had to give the ball to the caddy. But it was a 15 footer to save par and stay one off the lead....so while a bit long it wasn't 'horrible"

There should not be any extra leeway given to being slow because a shot is potentially more important than another. The play clock in the NFL or NBA is the same in the 1st quarter as the 4th. The pitch clock in the world series is the same as in July. Thats what makes it interesting. Performing under pressure.

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There should not be any extra leeway given to being slow because a shot is potentially more important than another. The play clock in the NFL or NBA is the same in the 1st quarter as the 4th. The pitch clock in the world series is the same as in July. Thats what makes it interesting. Performing under pressure.

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Give a player one 30 sec timeout per 9.

Everyone is always talking about growing the game...well allowing guys all the time in the world is not remotely doing this.

Maybe amateur golf should set the precident. If kids know they won't have all the time for their routine, they'll figure out a new routine. Simply unacceptable to allow all this nonsense for any shot. Get up there and hit the damn ball.

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Everyone is always talking about growing the game...well allowing guys all the time in the world is not remotely doing this.

Maybe amateur golf should set the precident. If kids know they won't have all the time for their routine, they'll figure out a new routine. Simply unacceptable to allow all this nonsense for any shot. Get up there and hit the damn ball.

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Along the same line, high school kids play pretty damned slow, so it's being learned early. Sometimes one of our regular group will have his high school son come play with us. He's a good player, but slooow. Won't hit a shot until it's properly visualized. Forever to read a putt and get the alignment mark juuuust right. I see this too with some of the other kids of that age when we host junior tournaments.

Train them early and maybe we can make a dent in slow play.

The PGA Tour is tracking all the data about pace of play. The only reason I can think of that they wouldn't publish it for everyone to see is if there's a positive correlation between playing slow and scoring better.

That doesn't align with my personal experience but of course I'm a hack. Out at the local muni I usually see that quicker players are better golfers but maybe it's different for the pros.

the group I play with I think plays too fast at times - especially on the greens. we all ***** and moan about three putts, but it's like last call on the green.

Craig Rosengarden who owns AvidGolfer and has a weekly show on the Ticket for a couple of decades has talked a lot about this. He supports a ton of junior golf tournaments and he had a kid that grew up playing with Spieth and played college golf.

He says the main culprit to blame is college golf. The junior tournaments do a great job on pace. They are loaded with support/volunteers and motivated to have a successful tournament because that way they stay relevant. Then all of that falls apart in college. Those tournaments are usually run by the coaching staff of the host school, and those staffs just don't have the #s of support to do the things needed to push pace. They are stretched thin and it is just not a priority. So all of the good headway made in junior golf is lost.

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the group I play with I think plays too fast at times - especially on the greens. we all ***** and moan about three putts, but it's like last call on the green.

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It's not a race. I've got no problem with someone going through their routine and trying their best.

However, get whatever you can done before it's your turn. Don't wait until it's your turn to start whatever it is you've gotta do. Sure, sometimes you're on someone else's line and etiquette dictates that you wait, but most of the time that's not the case.

Aside from on the tee, if you're not first to play then you can usually be ready to go once it's your turn.

One of my best golf buddies is a slow player and this is his problem.

I start a round being all 'serious' about putting. Taking time, stalking around, etc...emulating the pros. By the end of the round I've sped things up considerably, and my putting stats are indistinguishable between early/late holes.

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The PGA Tour is tracking all the data about pace of play. The only reason I can think of that they wouldn't publish it for everyone to see is if there's a positive correlation between playing slow and scoring better.

That doesn't align with my personal experience but of course I'm a hack. Out at the local muni I usually see that quicker players are better golfers but maybe it's different for the pros.

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Its because they don't want to 'badmouth' themselves and their own. The same for not publicizing suspensions or fines. Its finally coming to a boiling point where the public and the faster players on Tour have possibly forced the hand, but historically thats why.

I tend to putt better when I don't take as much time. Probably not allowing myself to overthink too much. Then again, I am not putting on the hardest greens in the world and millions of dollars aren't at stake.

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bagger05 said:

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The PGA Tour is tracking all the data about pace of play. The only reason I can think of that they wouldn't publish it for everyone to see is if there's a positive correlation between playing slow and scoring better.

That doesn't align with my personal experience but of course I'm a hack. Out at the local muni I usually see that quicker players are better golfers but maybe it's different for the pros.

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Its because they don't want to 'badmouth' themselves and their own. The same for not publicizing suspensions or fines. Its finally coming to a boiling point where the public and the faster players on Tour have possibly forced the hand, but historically thats why.

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I sure hope that's it. Would certainly be on brand to keep it under wraps for a stupid reason like that.

It would really suck if it turned out that slower players scored better. It's rough enough out there as it is.

This is what is officially known as rock bottom. The positive is it’s only up from here! pic.twitter.com/qLbTCbUJJH

— Luke Elvy (@Luke_Elvy) February 23, 2025

Hilarious!

It's how they feed their families.....who cares, it's their job.

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_lefraud_ said:

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Everyone is always talking about growing the game...well allowing guys all the time in the world is not remotely doing this.

Maybe amateur golf should set the precident. If kids know they won't have all the time for their routine, they'll figure out a new routine. Simply unacceptable to allow all this nonsense for any shot. Get up there and hit the damn ball.

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Along the same line, high school kids play pretty damned slow, so it's being learned early. Sometimes one of our regular group will have his high school son come play with us. He's a good player, but slooow. Won't hit a shot until it's properly visualized. Forever to read a putt and get the alignment mark juuuust right. I see this too with some of the other kids of that age when we host junior tournaments.

Train them early and maybe we can make a dent in slow play.

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We'll make a much bigger dent in slow play training golfers to pick the correct tees based on how far they actually hit the ball.