Today was the first time I was accused of slowing a group down. The group making that accusation was in front of us lol. We all knew each other but the Marshall was a little perplexed at first.

I've been in several fivesomes over the years. Never had a problem keeping up with the foursome in front of us.

These guys were drunk and probably 20 hcps at best. Like barely getting off the box most of time. Absolutely brutal.

A 5some of attentive golfers can play faster than many 4somes. It's the just the optics look bad, especially when it's a slow day at the golf course

My club allows 5somes. Can get a weekend round done in 4 hours. 4.5 if CPO. Never have a problem with slow play

We played in a 5some today. We had 2 walkers(I was one). We waited on every hole on the front 9. The immediate group in front of us left after 9. Never saw a group behind us the entire round. Under 4 hours. Private course though, so a bit more "knowledgeable" and better talent than your average 5 some @ a muni kicking back a few too many beers.

Jawn Dough said:

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I realize that everyone on here is a scratch golfer who hits it 350 straight down the middle and never misses a putt but for a second just imagine that not every golfer is and then you'll realize who I was behind yesterday while they held everyone else up. I know it's a crazy thing to imagine but its true. The vast majority of hacks shouldn't be allowed in groups of 5.

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You're a bit smug, aren't you?

It's not that they're hacks that cause them to be slow; it's that they lack awareness and don't know how to play ready-golf.

I've played behind twosomes, threesomes, and foursomes, that are slow.

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No, they're hacks because they're shooting 110 and holding everyone up.

Nah it's definitely more situational. My brother and I typically shoot in the 100s. Never had formal lessons other than the Golf 199 classes at A&M. We play very fast. Very rarely does it take the typical municipal 4 hours. We were first off the tee last weekend and our group of 4 played in under 3 hours. If it's just us, it'll be right at 2. Only time we take over 4 is if we are stuck behind others like you were.

In my personal experience the players who take the longest shoot in the low 90s and take forever trying to read greens. Just like the pros, they take to long. That and people ****ing around on their phones or drinking too much

If you're gonna suck, have spatial awareness and suck fast. That's what we do.

No problem if suck and play fast. Hell get 10 of your friends in group and if you play in under 4 hours fine with me. But like you said, most don't and that's where I say they don't belong in a group of 5.

Played in a 5some today. Finished under 4 hours and the group behind is called into the pro shop for slow play. Couldn't even catch us to ask to play through. Some people just hate 5somes not matter what.

Yeah the people taking the time to post on the texags golf board probably aren't the problem. It's the other 99.9% out there you gotta worry about.

98Ag99Grad said:

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I realize that everyone on here is a scratch golfer who hits it 350 straight down the middle and never misses a putt but for a second just imagine that not every golfer is and then you'll realize who I was behind yesterday while they held everyone else up. I know it's a crazy thing to imagine but its true. The vast majority of hacks shouldn't be allowed in groups of 5.

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The PGA tour takes 5-6 hours to play as a three some. 4+ if twosomes. I think that goes against your argument.

A lot of scratch golfers I have played with think they are also on tour and take about as long to take a shot.

Maybe you shouldn't have led off with "And they all suck."

dcrewint said:

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Maybe you shouldn't have led off with "And they all suck."

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Everyone in that particular 5 some sucked is what i meant. Not every 5 some in the history of golf.

Again I completely understand there are fast groups but by and large the average golfer should not be in a 5 some.

And like Danny said no one on this board has ever been part of a slow group so of course every group plays at their speed.

98Ag99Grad said:

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No one here is playing for millions of dollars. I seriously DGAF about pace of play on the PGAT. Us mortals aren't playing for sht. Your nassau is irrelevant. Hurry TF up.

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I agree there is no reason golf should take longer than 4 hours no matter the size of group.

My fundamental point is being a high handicapper doesn't make one slow, nor does being scratch but my own experience is a much higher percentage of scratch guys take forever especially when they are all playing together because they developed the slow habits in junior and college golf.

I respect your opinion but my experience is the opposite. Maybe because I'm older, almost 50, but vast majority of better players i know are much faster. When I played in school in early 90s we all played fast regardless of skill. I think the slow play thing is relatively new with juniors.

I am of a similar age, and I played plenty of 6 hour rounds in high school tournaments in the early 90s. It was unbearable.

I learned ready golf when I was much younger and got to fill in as the 4th in my dad's weekend group. I shot around 120 then, and two of the guys rarely broke 100. The one good guy shot low 80s. We would go off first in the morning at various public courses because one of them showed up at 5am to be the first to drop their ball in the metal chute that determined the order in the morning. We never took more than three hours to walk 18.

In high school I would play Wolf in fivesomes with middle aged guys, with everyone in the group being able to break 80. If nobody was in front of us, we could play in 3-3:15.

It isn't about how many people are in the group or how good they are, or if you are gambling or not. Slow play is caused by slow players that choose to be slow.

I'm with Kansas kid. I'm a single handicap, but my scratch and plus handicap friends are by far the slowest to play with. A 5 some of them would be terrible.

Which goes back to the point. You either allow 5 somes or don't.

I appreciate the pros at my home course keeping 5's on absolute lock-out. Again, no one ever thinks their 5 is a problem. I also question 5's playing games where a certain order of play is required. Trust me, you aren't going as fast as you think if you are going 5's and not ready golf.

Even foursomes not playing ready golf is unbearable to me. I'm admittedly spoiled. At my home course you rarely see anyone else within 2 holes of you (aside from Friday afternoon and Saturday AM )and usually if it's a single or double that caught up to you they will just skip ahead.

That being said we played a 5 some at a muni yesterday and finished in under four hours but I did feel bad for the group behind us.

5 some wolf is the slowest game on earth! We've played it at our club many times and we're all single handicaps. It takes forever because you can't play ready golf. You have to wait for Bob who is still getting a drink from the cart girl.

That said, we still do it in four hours. If no one is in front of us we can play in 3 with a 5 some…not playing wolf of course.

98Ag99Grad said:

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How about this as something we can all agree on- if you're slow and a bad golfer and all of you're friends are slow and bad too, then you shouldn't be in a group of 5? Is that a reasonable request?

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I would slightly change it. Don't play in any group number that doesn't allow you to play in 4 hours or less. Some golfers are so slow, I think as a single they struggle to play in 4 hours.

Sounds like you need to step up and go to a more exclusive course or join an exclusive club so you aren't bothered by those that are slow and there is plenty of time to play. Alternatively, pick a better time that isn't so popular so there aren't as many folks on the course.

This is the woodlands cc. North Trails Course. Not exactly Pasadena Muni.