Fuel "shortage"

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babie_kreauxda
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1:09p, 9/3/17
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just had a very unpleasant 45 minute wait at a gas station with 3 people cutting in front of me as i was helping a dude jump his car that died and the station ran out when i was next in line...

no gas anywhere around my area... kind of BS
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1:41p, 9/3/17
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May try the gas buddy app. On 9/1 they updated it to include availability in addition to prices. I had never heard of it until this morning when I needed it. You can see when users updated a location to know how real time the info is. May come in handy if starting to get desperate because you truly need it.
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In reply to babie_kreauxda • 1:43p, 9/3/17
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Texaco and heb at wurzbach and 10 both had fuel an hour ago. I don't know about the lines (I was just there for groceries)
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2:00p, 9/3/17
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I am so done with people.

I've been yelling at the clouds on FB, most people seem to agree with me but yet there are still lines and stations running out.

Be careful with gas buddy - the app relies on people's reports, so can be misleading if someone sees vehicles fueling at a station, reports availability with no wait, but in actuality it is diesel vehicles only. Just one example. No big deal unless you are already way low on gas and cannot drive to a bunch of locations.

This is supposed to be more accurate that gas buddy, but idk if it really is:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1GQLqBHHBTrsVM9SbosdfZONiwdA&ll=30.584145191088165%2C-91.94592458749997&z=6


Gas stations are being regularly refueled, which means there is no shortage (duh). What there is is an abundance of stupid: people hoarding and perpetuating the lines and supply not keeping up with demand.
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2:41p, 9/3/17
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Isn't supply not keeping up with demand a shortage? It's excess demand based on whatever you want to call it, but it's still a shortage.
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In reply to Terk • 3:00p, 9/3/17
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Terk said:
Isn't supply not keeping up with demand a shortage? It's excess demand based on whatever you want to call it, but it's still a shortage.
That is semantics, which is partially what landed us here in the first place. Until people acknowledge that the supply is plentiful and there is merely a hiccup created by increased demand, we will ride this merry-go-round and people will perpetuate the problem by topping off and filling containers.
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Ulrich
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In reply to Terk • 3:08p, 9/3/17
Terk said:
Isn't supply not keeping up with demand a shortage? It's excess demand based on whatever you want to call it, but it's still a shortage.

Say that on average, people fill up once a week when they get to empty, which means that 14% of total tank capacity is filled on any given day.

Now say that for no good reason, everyone fills up in one day. On average they were half full, which means that 50% of total tank capacity is filled on that day. They aren't necessarily using more gasoline (yet), they are just buying it on a different day.

The fuel distribution industry is set up to fulfill 14% per day. The rate the terminals can fill trucks, the pipeline capacity to the terminals, and the number of trucks and truck drivers.

So on this unusual day, volume more than triples. There's some slack in the system, but it's designed to handle things like holiday weekends... for example, labor day weekend. Which means that not only is everyone pulling their normal demand forward, they also have more demand from the holiday weekend, AND they are filling extra containers, AND they are burning a bunch more gasoline driving around town looking for gas and idling in long lines.

The gasoline exists, and in fact inventory levels have been high for years. The problem is purely one of a self-fulfilling prophecy temporarily outstripping the ability to move that gasoline from storage to gas stations.

So yeah, you could say that there's a shortage, but the shortage only exists because people are behaving abnormally in reaction to something that wouldn't be a problem if they went about their normal routines.
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3:15p, 9/3/17
TBH, the whole thing has people in the industry somewhat amused and irritated. We know good and well that this is irrational, but it's still an inconvenience.
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In reply to Ulrich • 3:20p, 9/3/17
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Agreed. My bf is on the service side of o&g. We were at breakfast laughing at all the dumbasses and simultaneously cursing them for irritating me
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In reply to GinaLinetti • 5:48a, 9/4/17
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CherryLodes said:
Agreed. My bf is on the service side of o&g. We were at breakfast laughing at all the dumbasses and simultaneously cursing them for irritating me
I'll be laughing when the know it alls like ur friend are out of gas. The problem is real. The distribution system has failed us.
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8:58a, 9/4/17
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I got gas at 1am this morning...
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In reply to Chetos • 9:50a, 9/4/17
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Chetos said:
CherryLodes said:
Agreed. My bf is on the service side of o&g. We were at breakfast laughing at all the dumbasses and simultaneously cursing them for irritating me
I'll be laughing when the know it alls like ur friend are out of gas. The problem is real. The distribution system has failed us.


No it hasn't. The problem IS real, but it was created because there was a run on gas across major metropolitan areas plus the fact that a lot of gas is being diverted to disaster relief areas.

Supply exists. And it is likely, though not guaranteed, that we barely notice an issue if we don't have a run on the pumps like we did. Now everyone is swarming pumps the second a station gets a delivery. What do you think will happen when that's the case?
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In reply to Chetos • 10:12a, 9/4/17
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No.idiots rushing the pumps created this. Think of it like a bank run. If everyone goes and empties their accounts today the bank won't have enough cash to supply creating a panic. Plenty of people are running out of gas but not because fuel hasn't been coming into town regularly. It's because people are tripping balls and filling up every time they see a line at a station. On top of that idiots are filling up any container they can find. Blame the Yahoo!'s not the distributors.
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Obi Wan Ginobili
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11:09a, 9/4/17
I got lucky, in that I had 3/4 of a tank when the "news" dropped that there was a shortage. My tank is nearly 40 gallons, so it lasts a long time.

Every time I had to sit in traffic caused by OTHER people waiting for gas, I've said some not so nice things. Recently, I've had the chance to fill up 2-3 times where the wait would have only been a couple of minutes. I swear I passed on those chances just to not be a hypocrite.
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In reply to Obi Wan Ginobili • 11:19a, 9/4/17
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Maybe the first day... not day 4... something else is causing a disruption in distribution in our area. Btw, I wouldn't call someone who tops off their tank to be prepared an idiot... you can argue that thet should have done it before the stirm...now that dude filling up 5 gallon Home Depot buckets with gas.. hes an idiot
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In reply to Chetos • 11:23a, 9/4/17
Chetos said:
Maybe the first day... not day 4... something else is causing a disruption in distribution in our area. Btw, I wouldn't call someone who tops off their tank to be prepared an idiot... you can argue that thet should have done it before the stirm...now that dude filling up 5 gallon Home Depot buckets with gas.. hes an idiot
I think you're responding to the wrong person, lol.
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In reply to Obi Wan Ginobili • 11:27a, 9/4/17
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Ditto. I filled up last Friday. (Or Friday before last I guess- pre Harvey) and still have 3/4 of a tank. I refuse to go sit in a line unless I get under a 1/4 of a tank
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1:22p, 9/4/17
Yeah, ran and grabbed some beer at Nacogdoches and New Braunfels last night and the pumps had only a one or two car wait and thought about "topping off" while I was there. I still have half a tank so decided to not be a hypocritical chode and moved on with my weekend.
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In reply to Chetos • 3:30p, 9/4/17
Chetos said:
Maybe the first day... not day 4... something else is causing a disruption in distribution in our area. Btw, I wouldn't call someone who tops off their tank to be prepared an idiot... you can argue that thet should have done it before the stirm...now that dude filling up 5 gallon Home Depot buckets with gas.. hes an idiot

I'm in refining and distribution. I get industry information on crack spreads, inventory levels, refinery and port activity, and pipeline/ trucking issues. There is adequate supply to satisfy normal demand.

If everyone behaved normally, there would be no issue, but some ignorant reporter probably tried to draw conclusions above his pay grade based on something he saw on Bloomberg and now chicken littles are busily turning the prophesy into reality.
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In reply to Ulrich • 3:49p, 9/4/17
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So you are saying there's a shortage of adequate storage at the pump/gas station (ie if everyone tops off it takes over 4 days to catch up). . . You'd think the truck racks could catch up sooner. I still dont get all the criticism of people wanting to top off in anticipation of a shortage or hickup in distribution or whatever you want to call it. Do you think its wrong to top off before a hurricane?
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4:34p, 9/4/17
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Depends if you are peaving town or not

You dense ass is on 3 boards and people have given you the answer and you are in complete denial

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4:41p, 9/4/17
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I have no problem with topping off before the hurricane. The behavior after it passed us by is ridiculous.
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Ulrich
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In reply to Chetos • 6:55p, 9/4/17
Chetos said:
So you are saying there's a shortage of adequate storage at the pump/gas station (ie if everyone tops off it takes over 4 days to catch up). . . You'd think the truck racks could catch up sooner. I still dont get all the criticism of people wanting to top off in anticipation of a shortage or hickup in distribution or whatever you want to call it. Do you think its wrong to top off before a hurricane?

I explained the rough math earlier in this thread. Whether you choose to believe it is up to you.
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7:56p, 9/4/17
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As the creator of the SA board I formally proclaim this chode can piss off

Bye
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In reply to MookieBlaylock • 9:05p, 9/4/17
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Adios my friend.
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9:04a, 9/5/17
Several refineries along the coast have started back up and several more should start back up this week at least at partial rates.

Houston area pipeline infrastructure appears to be mostly back on line.

Houston area terminals are mostly back in service.

The ports are open, although some at draft restrictions that may require lightering beyond what they typically have to do. Since exports were already reversed, grade restrictions have been lifted, and given the 230 MMBBL gasoline inventory as of last week's EIA numbers, this should reassure people that there's no structural shortage unless multiple large refineries are out of service for several more weeks.
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In reply to Ulrich • 9:10a, 9/5/17
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Ulrich said:
....this should reassure people that there's no structural shortage unless multiple large refineries are out of service for several more weeks.


Like if Hurricane Irma comes into the gulf instead of wrecking Florida and the East Coast?
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9:30a, 9/5/17
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I'm getting straight effed on this fuel shortage. It hit while I was doing a double shift so when I got off work on Saturday the crisis was in fuel swing and my gas light was on.

So of course there is only a few gas stations past 1604 and the only one I found was one of the two off 281/Bulverde and that crap place was cash only, almost an hour wait, and $25.00 max which didn't even get me to half tank.

So now here I am again on empty just a few days later and no gas stations. I have to deal with this on my only day off this week. What is wrong with you people????

Here's my middle finger to anyone trying to spin this as "Not a gas crisis" You all made it one.
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In reply to CoolaidWade • 9:53a, 9/5/17
CoolaidWade said:
I'm getting straight effed on this fuel shortage. It hit while I was doing a double shift so when I got off work on Saturday the crisis was in fuel swing and my gas light was on.
I see what you did there, and it is appreciated. Even though I know you didn't mean to.
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In reply to Obi Wan Ginobili • 10:00a, 9/5/17
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Obi Wan Ginobili said:
CoolaidWade said:
I'm getting straight effed on this fuel shortage. It hit while I was doing a double shift so when I got off work on Saturday the crisis was in fuel swing and my gas light was on.
I see what you did there, and it is appreciated. Even though I know you didn't mean to.
aha....


that is pretty funny. i did not mean to do that. I got fuel on the brain!

But on a more serious note I think the best way to find gas is the NextDoor app. They are giving constant updates of the "gas crisis" and stations with fuel. I'll prob use that in a hour or so since my light is on. I can't be driving around looking for gas.

The one on 281/Marshal always has about 1000 cars all day long so I bet I'm going there.
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Ulrich
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10:00a, 9/5/17
Tracker.gasbuddy.com
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10:29a, 9/5/17
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I drove down to Taft to get gas on Sunday*.



Actually doing Harvey damage recovery but sounds impressive I drove all the way to Taft for gas.

Take that Chetos.
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10:44a, 9/5/17
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Don't know what part of town you are, but there is little wait at the Shell station at Lockhill Selma and Huebner. Filled up 30 minutes ago and was in and out in 5 minutes.
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In reply to Ulrich • 10:45a, 9/5/17
Ulrich said:
Tracker.gasbuddy.com
My girlfriend lives in San Antonio. She FINALLY got gas last evening. She stated that many stations on Gas Buddy that shows they have gas actually have none.
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In reply to Ulrich • 10:46a, 9/5/17
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Ulrich said:
Tracker.gasbuddy.com
The problem with gasbuddy is gas availability is based on user reports, and it seems some users were falsely posting gas was available at stations when it was not, just to be hilarious I guess.
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