CAF to Dallas

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City leaders and history buffs are celebrating but some neighbors are grumbling about the Commemorative Air Force arrival in Dallas.
Mayor Mike Rawlings and other dignitaries Tuesday welcomed the CAF to city owned Dallas Executive Airport. The former Redbird Airport beat 22 other airports in the competition for a new CAF headquarters, which is leaving Midland. The organization plans to build a museum and hangars to house vintage war planes at the airport along US Highway 67. “We plan on having a world-class facility,” CAF President Stephan Brown said. “We plan on putting on an air show every year, the pre-eminent war bird air show, not with Blue Angels and jets flying by, but with war birds like you see today. And taking it back in time.” Calvin Spann, a veteran of the Tuskegee Airmen, attended the ceremony for the new project. “To see it come to fruition today makes me feel very proud that I did accomplish something in all my years,” he said. Mayor Rawlings said the CAF brings Dallas an asset for education, patriotism and tourism that could eventually bring a new hotel and new restaurants to the area.
“This was a business deal,” Rawlings said. “We had to make it attractive for the Commemorative Air Force to come and it had to be right for us as well.” City officials said details on private fundraising and city support for the project are still being worked out but will be subject to public discussion and Dallas City Council approval. “Now we can be another Addison Airport, which we thought we could be a long time ago. The vision is there,” said Councilman Tennell Atkins, who represents the area. Airport neighbor Helen Harts complained she only learned about the project from news reports. She attended the ceremony to confront officials with complaints about expanding the airport. “It’s very noisy. So I would have appreciated it if you would have contacted the neighborhood associations in the area before bringing this in,” Harts told Mayor Rawlings. Atkins said he has been involved with the airport for many years and the city has always been public about desires to improve it. “I think the neighbors who are uncomfortable with this have not come to the town hall meetings. I personally have done 10 town hall meetings were we talk about doing improvements, infrastructure. They probably need to get on the email list,” Atkins said. The Commemorative Air Force has nearly 9 thousand members and 1,200 decommissioned aircraft, which are currently housed at many airports. Some of the planes would relocate to Dallas Executive Airport when the group’s project is completed. “We plan on being outstanding neighbors in the Dallas Community and we’re happy to be here,” Brown said.
NormanAg
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Great news! Midland is somewhat off the beaten path. The Dallas area is a great choice. As I recall the CAF started in Harlingen which is WAY off the beaten path.

For those interested, the CAF has a pretty good sized facility in Mesa, AZ. Back when i was a working stiff, I had a 10 day long business trip to Tempe once a year that included the weekend off. I always made the short trip to Mesa to visit the CAF folks.

[This message has been edited by NormanAg (edited 4/30/2014 10:15p).]
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With Executive only 15 miles away I guess I'm going to have to become a member and go from a Msgt to a Col. I might even volunteer to work on them sometime if they'll let me.
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Figured I should leave these here. These were taken the day of the announcement at Redbird. Sorry if the pics are extremely large.





Rabid Cougar
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Confederate Air Force!
DevilD77
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quote:
Confederate Air Force!


No. They had to go PC several years ago and change it to the Commemorative Air Force. Can't be offending anybody with the word Confederate!
CanyonAg77
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I hate that it's moving away from my part of the world.
But a big city will be better for it long-term.
airplane driver
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Several WWII types in my QB Hangar. Navigator on B-24 made several trips to Poletzi(?); C-47 driver on D-Day. They are getting fewer and fewer. The stories they tell
Rabid Cougar
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Still Confederate Air Force to me. I am not offended nor PC.
aggie67,74&76
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The CAF is a great organization and is doing a tremendous job preserving these older airplanes.
Rabid Cougar
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So at what point do these planes become static displays only???? They are pushing 70+ years.
At what point do start building reproductions?
Maximus_Meridius
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I think the biggest obstacle to building repros is licensing. Boeing would probably **** bricks if you started cranking out "new" B-17s. Another problem as I understand, is documentation. Apparently there are a LOT of drawings, schematics, and whatnot that are missing, which would make the process extremely expensive. The cost would be so high, you'd never be able to fly it because of the possible loss. Then again, that's exactly the same argument used against flying the originals, which I enjoy watching, so it's a catch-22.
Rabid Cougar
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There are repro ME 262's and FW190's.

ME 262
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjyIo8uRBDI

FW190
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWnHma45fk

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NormanAg
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Some New Zealand warbird enthusiasts financed a Russian effort to build replicas of the I-15 and I-16, which were late 30's aircraft.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Polikarpov+replicas&sa=X&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS470US470&biw=1301&bih=561&tbm=isch&imgil=dKLVrCKHw1NB2M%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS0Y-5T4BfUgGUWOz_mVcbF2cgNPm1CwXW9frUfBC87BpZ2ozXh%253B1200%253B812%253BRfxJLFYynQ_G7M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.airliners.net%25252Fphoto%25252FChina---Air%25252FPolikarpov-I-16-(replica)%25252F0860259%25252FL%25252F%25252526sid%2525253D5445999c06afd24a4375d6c431bfbcc8&source=iu&usg=__l8m2Qh-abpG_KuL73CgReLD3mbk%3D&ei=lw1oU-_ND5baoATN4IHgBw&ved=0CCsQ9QEwAA#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=Im7wpi55vplDKM%253A%3BV_uNBz1e7fsLWM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcdn-www.airliners.net%252Faviation-photos%252Fphotos%252F3%252F7%252F3%252F1593373.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.airliners.net%252Fphoto%252FPolikarpov-I-15bis-(replica)%252F1593373%252FL%252F%2526sid%253D1d4a8796d48f45f9add496113c59a8b7%3B1200%3B812

The Lonestar Museum in Galveston had an example of both planes, but I believe they were damaged heavily in the hurricane and sold to a collector who is restoring them to flight status.
Rabid Cougar
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And the best one of all!

http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/PhotoGallery/Dr-1%20Fullsize/slides/3.html
Rabid Cougar
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FLYING LEGENDS 2014
If you like the real ones, this is where you have to go. I would love to be able to sit and listen to those engines all day.
http://fighter-collection.com/cft/flying-legends-2014/



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CanyonAg77
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Holy Crap, watch the video on Cougar's link
airplane driver
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Canyon +1; thanks Cougar!
BigJim49 AustinNowDallas
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Great video ! P38 - brother flew 100+ missions in New Guinea -beautiful plane .

Believe only 6-7 now flyable. Galveston had one - not sure it is still there.

Too bad the museums at Love Field and Addison and CAF can't figure out a way to merge - space probably the main problem.
NormanAg
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From 1957-59 my AF dad was stationed at Wethersfield AB in England. I was 10 to 12 years old.

We weren't more than 40 or 50 miles from Duxford and my dad took us to several airshows there. They were great, but the Warbird movement hadn't really gotten started, so we got to see a few WWII Brit aircraft and a whole lot of currently active Brit and USAF jets.

As I've posted before, the Brits love airshows and there is at least one a week from Spring to early Fall. We didn't get to all of them, but I did get to see quite a few. As an airplane junkie (even at that young age), it was heaven for me.
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