New Army NCOER

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Fly Army 97
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Sounds like we are gonna need to manage profiles on our Senior Raters. .

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/2015/03/15/nco-evaluation-reporting-system/70154354/
CAVGrunt97
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I'm still wading through the new OER! Ugh.
Aggie Infantry
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Retired last December. Not a moment too soon...
AverageAg
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One of the few benefits of not being MOSQ yet...don't have to deal with OER's yet! Fly Army are you dustoff?
txaggie_06
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not looking forward to this. the OER is still giving everyone enough probs as it is.

Aggie Infantry. how are things going? havnt seen you in a while sir.
ArmyAg2002
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New OER is painful. My C.O. apologized for having almost no room to write anything.
Fly Army 97
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That is kind of the point. There is plenty of room to illustrate your potential and performance depending if he is you rater or SR.

There isn't a need to justify the write up with three paragraphs as so many have done in the past.
APHIS AG
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The writeups are really useless because boards do not have time to read them. They go by where the boxes are checked off.

The old "Chinese Army" OER was so far the best one in my experience however, DA did not hold SR's feet to the fire as they do now which led to its replacement.
Fly Army 97
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Dissapointed to hear a company command is apologizing for not having more to say on an OER. Maybe misreading that, but it implies the officer is not providing written feedback or counseling until the OER. It also implies the officer needs training in how to write an OER.

The boards have enough time to read where you stand apart from just the block checks. Write ups like a Highly Qualified / Center of Mass that says - great performance by my #3 company commander of 6 is pretty straight forward, but if the enumeration is in the top 10% of those company commander with whom I've served in 23 years...well, the board will look at that more favorably vs the first OER.

The write up absolutley matters given a rater's profile. The board members can see how many ratings a SR or Rater has, so a HQ/COM OER writting by an officer with his first go is obviously restricted...so the write up matters. In the end, a board is looking at consistency over a period of time. No one OER is going to kill an officer's chances at promotion or selection for command - it's the 'whole person' concept what ever that means to you.

As for NCOERs, I welcome the change. Across the board, we as an institution lack discipline when rating NCOs. Just my opinion, but sit on a board and you will see what I'm talking about. When every NCO is a 1-1 "cream of the crop" (per the AR), then nobody is cream of the crop, and a board memeber will need to rely moreso on what the rater shows. Also, SGT NCOERs are much different from SSG/SFC NCOERs in that most of the young NCOs are still growing in their leadership capability much like a LT is. As such, the NCOER should be shaped to depict where they are in their career. If I'm looking at a SFC or SSG NCOER, I need much more detail to articulate how they will serve the Army as MSGs or SGMs. On a side note, I've seen the Marine NCOER, and despite the little picture they have to show the number of folks who should be in the particular block (you know what I'm talking about Marines) - it keeps people honest - just my two cents.

Again, consistency over time will show - and top performers will have more 'top block's' than not...in the end, it ain't about the block check. It's about the whole fie - education, missing documents, picture, evaluations, letters if applicable (warrant officer selections/nomination boards), and jobs held.

http://www.army.mil/article/144961 - Ask your assignment officer for the brief. I know AV Branch has it.
Fly Army 97
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One of the few benefits of not being MOSQ yet...don't have to deal with OER's yet! Fly Army are you dustoff?
I am not dustoff. MED Service branch technically owns the mission and are assigned to MEDEVAC units in the AV brigades. Almost all the pilots are Aviation Branch Warrant Officers who work for the MED Service O-Grade officers.

But I've flown the mission without the little red cross. Probably the best (though unfortunate) flying I've done.
ApacheAggie
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I'm still wading through the new OER! Ugh.
Couldn't aggree more with you, cav. The Field Grade areas for Broadening Assignments is tough for a LT or CPT to fill out for CW3 & CW4 when we only know the basic assignments in the Army. Then the BN CDR has to basically write it in.

Where I do like it is in the ability to keep it on a database instead of a million e-mails flying around the inbox and searching you hard drive.
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