U.S. Flag Protocol -- Raising And Lowering

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How have we gotten so far away from proper Flag Protocol at Kyle Field? For the last couple of years Old Glory is raised so slow you wonder if it will make it all the way up the pole before kickoff.

I believe proper protocol states you raise the flag BRISKLY and lowered slowly. Why can't this be done?




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Scruffy
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The cadets aren't trained correctly how to do it.
They need a good Marine CTO to instruct them.

Before people call me out for saying that I have experience with the corps and with their mishandling of the flag, the lanyards, and just general unknowing.
They aren't correctly trained.
Blind leading the blind.

I've had to call a CTO because the flag in the academic plaza was up after sundown. Twice.

I know it's a small thing, but it's important to me.
Again, I think they just don't know what they are doing. Can be an easy fix.
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Many cadets don't care, honestly. At least that was my experience when I was there. The admin building flag detail would frequently leave the flags 5 to 10 feet from the top of the poles and leave it like that. We once had a dorm flag hoisted on the academic plaza pole, which is easily three times too large. Cadets just folded it over and left. It covered half the pole. Then someone called a few hours later and made us aware. And don't get me started on dorm flags.

Also, the Kyle field pole is really tall. I remember raising the flag at the newport, ri naval station, tallest flag pole on the east coast. Small flags are hard enough to get up before the end of the national anthem, but I was literally winded and sweating trying to hoist up the large holiday flag, and I'm larger than many of the cadets in color guard. It may look like it's going up slow, but there could be little cagey Jones down there pulling hard on the cable.
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quote:
The cadets aren't trained correctly how to do it.
They need a good Marine CTO to instruct them.

Before people call me out for saying that I have experience with the corps and with their mishandling of the flag, the lanyards, and just general unknowing.
They aren't correctly trained.
Blind leading the blind.

I've had to call a CTO because the flag in the academic plaza was up after sundown. Twice.

I know it's a small thing, but it's important to me.
Again, I think they just don't know what they are doing. Can be an easy fix.



I agree this would be an easy fix which needs to be addressed and corrected. I fear our Corps is getting farther away from anything military. Sadly, It appears we are well on our way to becoming nothing more a uniformed fraternity.


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Warrior 66
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While I appreciate all the "insights" some of you have wrt flag raising at A&M, the answer is quite simple: the flag poles at Kyle Field are equipped with crank handles to raise the flag - not lanyards raised by hand. The flag only goes up as quickly as the crank can be turned.

This issue has nothing to do with "our Corps getting further away from anything military..." (pretty bold statement, given that our Corps - and its military style environment - is all that remains of the military roots of our great university). Its a simple matter of how these flag poles are equipped to raise the flags vs flag poles we have elsewhere on campus with lanyards.

Thanks for your "insights." As someone who's here 24/7, I can attest that mistakes DO get made when raising and lowering the flag. I saw the same thing in the Army - mistakes get made with the flags on military posts all the time. I'm just thankful that our Corps still raises and lowers the flag at our great university. There are probably some who wouldn't care if we raised the flag at A&M - but the Corps isn't one of them.

Criticize them if you want about mistakes made wrt raising and lowering the flag - at least they're doing it, rain or shine, hot or cold - they show up and do it - every day. And I for one am thankful that they do.
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The Commandant beat me to it. It's a crank, and they can only get it up as fast as the gears will allow.

I would much rather have the Corps raising the flags across campus than a grounds keeper. At least the opportunity exists to train Cadets.
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I couldn't agree more CT97. Glad the Corps is still doing these operations.

I wonder if anyone has investigated what it would take to change out the crank to a regular lanyard? It might prove to not be a big deal.




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I wonder if anyone has investigated what it would take to change out the crank to a regular lanyard?
I wonder how hard it would be to hoist a huge flag to the top of a 100' flagpole without a crank?
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I put up the American flag for a game at Kyle last year, every cadet that's responsible for the flag is cranking their rear off.

Can't imagine doing that without the crank though.
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How about removing the crank and issuing these to the flag crew?

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How about removing the crank and issuing these to the flag crew?





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Tonight (MSU), Flag was raised to top well before end of National Anthem. Find something else to gripe about.
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Tonight (MSU), Flag was raised to top well before end of National Anthem. Find something else to gripe about.
^^ this^^^

They were cranking the hell out of it too.
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Tonight (MSU), Flag was raised to top well before end of National Anthem. Find something else to gripe about.
^^ this^^^

They were cranking the hell out of it too.
Rumors indicate that the Corps' crossfit team pulled flag duty.
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I have no doubt the Cadets were giving it there all to get the flag up fast and no one is placing blame on the Cadets. However, the flag raising still isn't in accord with military protocol? In fact the Texas flag went up faster than the U.S. flag. The problem doesn't lie with the Cadets or the Corps, it lies with whoever ordered the pole.

Has anyone checked to see if the pole could be retrofitted? I would think if you went on any military base you would fail to find a "crank" to raise or lower the flag.



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CharlieBrown17
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I wasn't aware the average military installation had flags and poles of that size.
Warrior 66
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Here is what I found on flag raising and lowering:

"The flag should be raised briskly and lowered slowly and ceremoniously."

While the flag may not be raised as "briskly" as you might like, I can assure you that its being raised as "briskly" as it possibly can. There are no time standards for raising and lowering the flag. We can all make our own determination just what "briskly" means to us, but as far as I'm concerned, its gone up "briskly enough" each and every time I've watched it raised at home games. You can disagree if you choose to, but from my perspective, the flag raising at Kyle Field is just fine.

And NO, there will be no "retrofit" of flag poles at Kyle Field because someone feels the flag isn't being raised "briskly" or quickly enough. Its being raised properly during the National Anthem, is fully raised by the end of the Anthem, and as long as it is, there will be no need for a "retrofit" to make it raise more "briskly" to suit someone's idea of what that means.
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Looked great prior to kickoff last night!

Thanks and gigem!
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I have always been glad that A&M has continued flying the national flag on the Academic Plaza. Does anyone know the size of the flag that is routinely flown there? Is it a "post" flag, or a "garrison" flag?
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